Allah Vs. God

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

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Taoists believe in the One Tao.

Just because muslims claim they worship 'the one G-d' (which in essence is a mere theory), doesn't mean drek.
You can clearly see that islam only leads to pedosexuality, bestiality and massmurder. Their 'one G-d' is not true.

Claiming nor believing to worship 'the one G-d' obviously means drek.
You will be known by your deeds.

The 'awareness/conciousness' of muslims is obviously (mis)directed to someplace else than the 'real' one G-d, so any claim that muslims worship the 'one G-d' is a mere display of lack of understanding and taking theory over the obvious truth.

For the slow ones:

"The mind and spirit of a praying muslim goes not to
-the one G-d

but

-to someplace else; some place bad"

Is it really that hard? Even atheist quantum physics scientists come closer to G-d than a muslim.

Let me sup it up by one word, BULLS*IT, believing in one G-d isn't suggesting positive or negative deeds, it has nothing to do with moral. And let me say one more thing, Atheists are more dangerous and immoral than any Muslim.

Yes, I already was under the impression that you were a forefighter for religion without morality.
Religion without morality will lead to nothing. You might just as well believe in the one satan.

Yes,I already was under the impression that you'd never know what religion is even if it'd kill your mother. Not every religious concept has to do anything with morality. Yes, I do believe there's one Satan, like every other Jew, go worship your statue.

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"אלו הישמעאלים אינם עובדי עבודה זרה כלל, וכבר נכרתה מפיהם ומליבם, והם מייחדים לאל יתברך ייחוד כראוי, ייחוד שאין בו דופי (מונותיאיזם צרוף). ולא מפני שהם משקרים עלינו ומכזבים ואומרים, שאנו אומרים שיש לאל יתעלה בן, נכזב כך אנחנו עליהם ונאמר שהם עובדי עבודה זרה. התורה העידה עליהם, אשר פיהם דבר שוא וימינם ימין שקר .והיא העידה עלינו שארית ישראל לא יעשו עוולה ולא ידברו כזב ולא ימצא בפיהם לשון תרמית. ואף שמתחילה היתה בבית-תפילתם עבודה זרה, עכשיו כולם לבם לשמים, וטעותם וטיפשותם בדברים אחרים הן שאי אפשר לאומרן בכתב, מפני פושעי ורשעי ישראל (המלשינים), אבל בייחוד השם יתעלה אין להם טעות כלל".

As I see he responds to their wrong ideas and hatred of Israel, but he says that they don't have mistakes in their Uniqueness of the Divinity (Monotheism - Yichud).

This is a great quote from the Rambam, so I will try to translate it:

Them Ismaelites are not practicing Avodah Zrara (~idolatry) at all, which had long been erased from their mouth and their heart, and they correctly recognize the unity and uniqueness of God, a unity without a flaw. And although they tell lies about us, claiming that we say God has a son, we shall not make up lies about them, claiming they are idol worshipers. The Torah testifies about their nature, that their mouth speaks empty words, and their conscience is deceitful. It also testifies about us the remnant of Israel, shall do no injustice, and speak no lie, and their mouth shall not speak deceit. And while in the beginning their house of prayer was idolatrous, now they all aim their heart to the heavens, and their errors and stupidities are in other matters that one cannot put to writing,  due to the informers among our people, but on the unity of God they have no error. 

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

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If Allah is G-d, then the Quran is not the word of Allah.

or, equivalently:

If The Quran is the word of Allah, then Allah is not G-d.

What did you want to say here?

I tried to sum up elegantly the two main opinion in this forum regarding this subject. And also to clear out why in any case essentially since we are all agreeing on the fact that:
The Quran is not the word of G-d,
in reality it doesn't really matter if one thinks that Allah is G-d or not.

I didn't understand it once again. Islam is a false religion, therefore il-Qur'an wasn't given by G-d to Muhammad but was dedicated to his slave in Macka and Yathrab.

[Zelhar]

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If Allah is G-d, then the Quran is not the word of Allah.

or, equivalently:

If The Quran is the word of Allah, then Allah is not G-d.

What did you want to say here?

I tried to sum up elegantly the two main opinion in this forum regarding this subject. And also to clear out why in any case essentially since we are all agreeing on the fact that:
The Quran is not the word of G-d,
in reality it doesn't really matter if one thinks that Allah is G-d or not.

I didn't understand it once again. Islam is a false religion, therefore il-Qur'an wasn't given by G-d to Muhammad but was dedicated to his slave in Macka and Yathrab.

But you do understand the proposition itself, right ?

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

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"Let me sup it up by one word, BULLS*IT, believing in one G-d isn't suggesting positive or negative deeds, it has nothing to do with moral. And let me say one more thing, Atheists are more dangerous and immoral than any Muslim."


When was the last time an atheist committed a suicide bombing?   

Ever heard of the Commies?! Atheists don't believe in moral.

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

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The problem may not be with the concept but with the fictitious manner in which the whole so-called knowledge was transpired. Otherwise no more so-called Prophet was required.

What?

Yes....

I meant that I didn't understand your point.

It means Moses (Musa) was enough and Mhmad was no more required to be seen anywhere....

There were many other real Prophets after Moshe Rabeinu (not Jesus, or Muhammad G-D forbid of course, I mean the ones you find in the Tanach), you're not the one to de-legitimate them.

[muman613]

Yes Ron,

Maybe non-Jews don't realize it but Prophets existed in Israel for many centuries.... I have heard it said that almost all of Israel was able to receive prophecy at some level at some point... The entire part of T a N a K known as Naviim {or Prophets} documents all these great Jewish prophets.... Maybe our xtian members have heard of the greats like Jeremiah,  Ezekiel,  Joshua, Deborah, and Issiah...

The age of prophecy ended shortly after the destruction of the 2nd Temple...

[syyuge]

I very well agree that the ...Prophets existed in Israel for many centuries....

Obviously I meant it only to the other false one outside the present Israel.

[angryChineseKahanist]

I thought Allah was the devil?

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

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I thought Allah was the devil?

Allah is imaginry and the Sahtan is one of G-D's angels and he's totally curved (Muman correct me if the word I used is wrong) to His will. Only sometimes G-D gives him somewhat of freedom to see what do we do with our free will. Of course he doesn't effect G-D's Will.

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

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There were false-Prophets in Israel also (what's present Israel?). Some of them are very well-known.

[muman613]

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I thought Allah was the devil?

Allah is imaginry and the Sahtan is one of G-D's angels and he's totally curved (Muman correct me if the word I used is wrong) to His will. Only sometimes G-D gives him somewhat of freedom to see what do we do with our free will. Of course he doesn't effect G-D's Will.

Shalom Ron,

Yes, your understanding of Satan is true to the Jewish understanding {according to my own understanding}.... I think that you mean that Satans will is the will of Hashem, that he simply acts as the prosecutor and the tempter. Free will is tested by Satan and he only doing the job which he was created for.

Angels do not have free will {as we understand it} according to what I have learned about the Malochim.

PS: Jews have no concept of 'The Devil'... It is purely a xtian belief.

[mord]

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It doesn't bother me that Maimonides concluded that Allah and Hashem are technically the same G-d. I personally disagree, because all of the attributes of Allah came from Molech and Sin and other satanic pagan "deities" of the Fertile Crescent, and the monotheism of Allah was simply ripped-off from Judaism, but who am I to tell people what to believe?

Theologically, they are, since they're both one G-D who created the universe, the idea of divinity is the same, or let's just sum it up by - both Judaism and Islam are Monotheistic, and that's what he meant,  the difference is known (the difference between Torah and Islam), the fact that its name and theological background roots deeply in Pagan religions doesn't matter here.

even theologically they dont have same idea, Muslims technically are pagans for whom worshipping towards the direction of the black rock is compulsory.   From study of ancient Arab religions, we can conclude that Al-Lah is a pagan moon G-d.

HZ,

Are you aware that Jews are required to pray facing Eastward toward the Beit HaMikdash/Temple mount? I dont think that there is anything particularly wrong with praying facing toward something.... I think this too is stolen from Judaism...

Muman there is a great difference l' havdil btw the Beit Hamikdash and the qaaba .The Beit Ha'Mikdash is recognized even by the Quranfreaks as center of creation as well as where Avraham was told to sacrifice Yitzchak.But the Qabba was pre Muslim place of avodah zara the muslims choose to pray towards the site of qabba a site which in itself proves they are idolaters

[muman613]

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It doesn't bother me that Maimonides concluded that Allah and Hashem are technically the same G-d. I personally disagree, because all of the attributes of Allah came from Molech and Sin and other satanic pagan "deities" of the Fertile Crescent, and the monotheism of Allah was simply ripped-off from Judaism, but who am I to tell people what to believe?

Theologically, they are, since they're both one G-D who created the universe, the idea of divinity is the same, or let's just sum it up by - both Judaism and Islam are Monotheistic, and that's what he meant,  the difference is known (the difference between Torah and Islam), the fact that its name and theological background roots deeply in Pagan religions doesn't matter here.

even theologically they dont have same idea, Muslims technically are pagans for whom worshipping towards the direction of the black rock is compulsory.   From study of ancient Arab religions, we can conclude that Al-Lah is a pagan moon G-d.

HZ,

Are you aware that Jews are required to pray facing Eastward toward the Beit HaMikdash/Temple mount? I dont think that there is anything particularly wrong with praying facing toward something.... I think this too is stolen from Judaism...

Muman there is a great difference l' havdil btw the Beit Hamikdash and the qaaba .The Beit Ha'Mikdash is recognized even by the Quranfreaks as center of creation as well as where Avraham was told to sacrifice Yitzchak.But the Qabba was pre Muslim place of avodah zara the muslims choose to pray towards the site of qabba a site which in itself proves they are idolaters

I was not aware of that... I thought that the issue which HZ had was the fact that they prayed in one particular direction. I don't have any idea what the heck the Qaaba is supposed to be... Looks to me like the Tefillin boxes which I wear...

VS

[mord]

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It doesn't bother me that Maimonides concluded that Allah and Hashem are technically the same G-d. I personally disagree, because all of the attributes of Allah came from Molech and Sin and other satanic pagan "deities" of the Fertile Crescent, and the monotheism of Allah was simply ripped-off from Judaism, but who am I to tell people what to believe?

Theologically, they are, since they're both one G-D who created the universe, the idea of divinity is the same, or let's just sum it up by - both Judaism and Islam are Monotheistic, and that's what he meant,  the difference is known (the difference between Torah and Islam), the fact that its name and theological background roots deeply in Pagan religions doesn't matter here.

even theologically they dont have same idea, Muslims technically are pagans for whom worshipping towards the direction of the black rock is compulsory.   From study of ancient Arab religions, we can conclude that Al-Lah is a pagan moon G-d.

HZ,

Are you aware that Jews are required to pray facing Eastward toward the Beit HaMikdash/Temple mount? I dont think that there is anything particularly wrong with praying facing toward something.... I think this too is stolen from Judaism...

Muman there is a great difference l' havdil btw the Beit Hamikdash and the qaaba .The Beit Ha'Mikdash is recognized even by the Quranfreaks as center of creation as well as where Avraham was told to sacrifice Yitzchak.But the Qabba was pre Muslim place of avodah zara the muslims choose to pray towards the site of qabba a site which in itself proves they are idolaters

I was not aware of that... I thought that the issue which HZ had was the fact that they prayed in one particular direction. I don't have any idea what the heck the Qaaba is supposed to be... Looks to me like the Tefillin boxes which I wear...

G-D forbid

[muman613]

Of course the qaaba is not Tefillin... It just looks like it because it is a box...

[mord]

Of course the qaaba is not Tefillin... It just looks like it because it is a box...

oh

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

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It doesn't bother me that Maimonides concluded that Allah and Hashem are technically the same G-d. I personally disagree, because all of the attributes of Allah came from Molech and Sin and other satanic pagan "deities" of the Fertile Crescent, and the monotheism of Allah was simply ripped-off from Judaism, but who am I to tell people what to believe?

Theologically, they are, since they're both one G-D who created the universe, the idea of divinity is the same, or let's just sum it up by - both Judaism and Islam are Monotheistic, and that's what he meant,  the difference is known (the difference between Torah and Islam), the fact that its name and theological background roots deeply in Pagan religions doesn't matter here.

even theologically they dont have same idea, Muslims technically are pagans for whom worshipping towards the direction of the black rock is compulsory.   From study of ancient Arab religions, we can conclude that Al-Lah is a pagan moon G-d.

HZ,

Are you aware that Jews are required to pray facing Eastward toward the Beit HaMikdash/Temple mount? I dont think that there is anything particularly wrong with praying facing toward something.... I think this too is stolen from Judaism...

Muman there is a great difference l' havdil btw the Beit Hamikdash and the qaaba .The Beit Ha'Mikdash is recognized even by the Quranfreaks as center of creation as well as where Avraham was told to sacrifice Yitzchak.But the Qabba was pre Muslim place of avodah zara the muslims choose to pray towards the site of qabba a site which in itself proves they are idolaters

That's not true. The Muslims do believe in the existence of Bei Ha'Mikqdash, but they believed Avraham (or "Ibrahim") was told by "Allah" to sacrifise Ishamel (or "Ismail") and not Yiztchak, the Muslims DO NOT sanctify it, and not only that, they  do not sanctify ANYTHING in Jerusalem or Israel at all, it's all il Taqqiyah towards the retarded Israel and the West.

[mord]

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It doesn't bother me that Maimonides concluded that Allah and Hashem are technically the same G-d. I personally disagree, because all of the attributes of Allah came from Molech and Sin and other satanic pagan "deities" of the Fertile Crescent, and the monotheism of Allah was simply ripped-off from Judaism, but who am I to tell people what to believe?

Theologically, they are, since they're both one G-D who created the universe, the idea of divinity is the same, or let's just sum it up by - both Judaism and Islam are Monotheistic, and that's what he meant,  the difference is known (the difference between Torah and Islam), the fact that its name and theological background roots deeply in Pagan religions doesn't matter here.

even theologically they dont have same idea, Muslims technically are pagans for whom worshipping towards the direction of the black rock is compulsory.   From study of ancient Arab religions, we can conclude that Al-Lah is a pagan moon G-d.

HZ,

Are you aware that Jews are required to pray facing Eastward toward the Beit HaMikdash/Temple mount? I dont think that there is anything particularly wrong with praying facing toward something.... I think this too is stolen from Judaism...

Muman there is a great difference l' havdil btw the Beit Hamikdash and the qaaba .The Beit Ha'Mikdash is recognized even by the Quranfreaks as center of creation as well as where Avraham was told to sacrifice Yitzchak.But the Qabba was pre Muslim place of avodah zara the muslims choose to pray towards the site of qabba a site which in itself proves they are idolaters

That's not true. The Muslims do believe in the existence of Bei Ha'Mikqdash, but they believed Avraham (or "Ibrahim") was told by "Allah" to sacrifise Ishamel (or "Ismail") and not Yiztchak, the Muslims DO NOT sanctify it, and not only that, they  do not sanctify ANYTHING in Jerusalem or Israel at all, it's all il Taqqiyah towards the retarded Israel and the West.

This is true 100% politically, but i was saying that they pray towards a pre Islamic site which was a site of avoda zara

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

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It doesn't bother me that Maimonides concluded that Allah and Hashem are technically the same G-d. I personally disagree, because all of the attributes of Allah came from Molech and Sin and other satanic pagan "deities" of the Fertile Crescent, and the monotheism of Allah was simply ripped-off from Judaism, but who am I to tell people what to believe?

Theologically, they are, since they're both one G-D who created the universe, the idea of divinity is the same, or let's just sum it up by - both Judaism and Islam are Monotheistic, and that's what he meant,  the difference is known (the difference between Torah and Islam), the fact that its name and theological background roots deeply in Pagan religions doesn't matter here.

even theologically they dont have same idea, Muslims technically are pagans for whom worshipping towards the direction of the black rock is compulsory.   From study of ancient Arab religions, we can conclude that Al-Lah is a pagan moon G-d.

HZ,

Are you aware that Jews are required to pray facing Eastward toward the Beit HaMikdash/Temple mount? I dont think that there is anything particularly wrong with praying facing toward something.... I think this too is stolen from Judaism...

Muman there is a great difference l' havdil btw the Beit Hamikdash and the qaaba .The Beit Ha'Mikdash is recognized even by the Quranfreaks as center of creation as well as where Avraham was told to sacrifice Yitzchak.But the Qabba was pre Muslim place of avodah zara the muslims choose to pray towards the site of qabba a site which in itself proves they are idolaters

That's not true. The Muslims do believe in the existence of Bei Ha'Mikqdash, but they believed Avraham (or "Ibrahim") was told by "Allah" to sacrifise Ishamel (or "Ismail") and not Yiztchak, the Muslims DO NOT sanctify it, and not only that, they  do not sanctify ANYTHING in Jerusalem or Israel at all, it's all il Taqqiyah towards the retarded Israel and the West.

This is true 100% politically, but i was saying that they pray towards a pre Islamic site which was a site of avoda zara

Yes that is true, this was the center of a Pagan Pantheon in which many idols were worshipped and Muhammad "sanctified" it in order to get money from the wealthy people of Macka who owned this place and its surrounding area.

[Zelhar]

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It doesn't bother me that Maimonides concluded that Allah and Hashem are technically the same G-d. I personally disagree, because all of the attributes of Allah came from Molech and Sin and other satanic pagan "deities" of the Fertile Crescent, and the monotheism of Allah was simply ripped-off from Judaism, but who am I to tell people what to believe?

Theologically, they are, since they're both one G-D who created the universe, the idea of divinity is the same, or let's just sum it up by - both Judaism and Islam are Monotheistic, and that's what he meant,  the difference is known (the difference between Torah and Islam), the fact that its name and theological background roots deeply in Pagan religions doesn't matter here.

even theologically they dont have same idea, Muslims technically are pagans for whom worshipping towards the direction of the black rock is compulsory.   From study of ancient Arab religions, we can conclude that Al-Lah is a pagan moon G-d.

HZ,

Are you aware that Jews are required to pray facing Eastward toward the Beit HaMikdash/Temple mount? I dont think that there is anything particularly wrong with praying facing toward something.... I think this too is stolen from Judaism...

Muman there is a great difference l' havdil btw the Beit Hamikdash and the qaaba .The Beit Ha'Mikdash is recognized even by the Quranfreaks as center of creation as well as where Avraham was told to sacrifice Yitzchak.But the Qabba was pre Muslim place of avodah zara the muslims choose to pray towards the site of qabba a site which in itself proves they are idolaters

‎The Quran turned the Aqeda story upside down. According to which, The Aqeda took place in Mecca with Ishmael being the son to be sacrificed.

[Zelhar]

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It doesn't bother me that Maimonides concluded that Allah and Hashem are technically the same G-d. I personally disagree, because all of the attributes of Allah came from Molech and Sin and other satanic pagan "deities" of the Fertile Crescent, and the monotheism of Allah was simply ripped-off from Judaism, but who am I to tell people what to believe?

Theologically, they are, since they're both one G-D who created the universe, the idea of divinity is the same, or let's just sum it up by - both Judaism and Islam are Monotheistic, and that's what he meant,  the difference is known (the difference between Torah and Islam), the fact that its name and theological background roots deeply in Pagan religions doesn't matter here.

even theologically they dont have same idea, Muslims technically are pagans for whom worshipping towards the direction of the black rock is compulsory.   From study of ancient Arab religions, we can conclude that Al-Lah is a pagan moon G-d.

HZ,

Are you aware that Jews are required to pray facing Eastward toward the Beit HaMikdash/Temple mount? I dont think that there is anything particularly wrong with praying facing toward something.... I think this too is stolen from Judaism...

Muman there is a great difference l' havdil btw the Beit Hamikdash and the qaaba .The Beit Ha'Mikdash is recognized even by the Quranfreaks as center of creation as well as where Avraham was told to sacrifice Yitzchak.But the Qabba was pre Muslim place of avodah zara the muslims choose to pray towards the site of qabba a site which in itself proves they are idolaters

That's not true. The Muslims do believe in the existence of Bei Ha'Mikqdash, but they believed Avraham (or "Ibrahim") was told by "Allah" to sacrifise Ishamel (or "Ismail") and not Yiztchak, the Muslims DO NOT sanctify it, and not only that, they  do not sanctify ANYTHING in Jerusalem or Israel at all, it's all il Taqqiyah towards the retarded Israel and the West.

This is true 100% politically, but i was saying that they pray towards a pre Islamic site which was a site of avoda zara

Yes that is true, this was the center of a Pagan Pantheon in which many idols were worshipped and Muhammad "sanctified" it in order to get money from the wealthy people of Macka who owned this place and its surrounding area.

At least they stopped pilgriming in the nude as they did in pre-Islamic times.

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

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It doesn't bother me that Maimonides concluded that Allah and Hashem are technically the same G-d. I personally disagree, because all of the attributes of Allah came from Molech and Sin and other satanic pagan "deities" of the Fertile Crescent, and the monotheism of Allah was simply ripped-off from Judaism, but who am I to tell people what to believe?

Theologically, they are, since they're both one G-D who created the universe, the idea of divinity is the same, or let's just sum it up by - both Judaism and Islam are Monotheistic, and that's what he meant,  the difference is known (the difference between Torah and Islam), the fact that its name and theological background roots deeply in Pagan religions doesn't matter here.

even theologically they dont have same idea, Muslims technically are pagans for whom worshipping towards the direction of the black rock is compulsory.   From study of ancient Arab religions, we can conclude that Al-Lah is a pagan moon G-d.

HZ,

Are you aware that Jews are required to pray facing Eastward toward the Beit HaMikdash/Temple mount? I dont think that there is anything particularly wrong with praying facing toward something.... I think this too is stolen from Judaism...

Muman there is a great difference l' havdil btw the Beit Hamikdash and the qaaba .The Beit Ha'Mikdash is recognized even by the Quranfreaks as center of creation as well as where Avraham was told to sacrifice Yitzchak.But the Qabba was pre Muslim place of avodah zara the muslims choose to pray towards the site of qabba a site which in itself proves they are idolaters

That's not true. The Muslims do believe in the existence of Bei Ha'Mikqdash, but they believed Avraham (or "Ibrahim") was told by "Allah" to sacrifise Ishamel (or "Ismail") and not Yiztchak, the Muslims DO NOT sanctify it, and not only that, they  do not sanctify ANYTHING in Jerusalem or Israel at all, it's all il Taqqiyah towards the retarded Israel and the West.

This is true 100% politically, but i was saying that they pray towards a pre Islamic site which was a site of avoda zara

Yes that is true, this was the center of a Pagan Pantheon in which many idols were worshipped and Muhammad "sanctified" it in order to get money from the wealthy people of Macka who owned this place and its surrounding area.

At least they stopped pilgriming in the nude as they did in pre-Islamic times.

They still do.

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Allah Vs. G-d

It's simple

Allah = Satan, and Satan loses.

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Allah Vs. G-d

It's simple

Allah = Satan, and Satan loses.

Are you even Jewish? If so why do you a Christian/Muslim view of Satan?