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Shlomo Riskin (called 'Rabbi Slimeball' by Yosef ben Meir z"l!) has only good things to say about "Rabbi Jesus"! http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?s=riskin

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Re: 'Chief Rabbi' of Efrat Shlomo Riskin sings the praises of Yoshki
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2010, 07:35:04 AM »
That's a hilul hashem. Now J4J and similar missionary groups can say, "look, even a famous rabbi from Israel can accept our beliefs."

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Re: 'Chief Rabbi' of Efrat Shlomo Riskin sings the praises of Yoshki
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2010, 08:15:34 AM »
I   dislike Riskin but what is untrue about what he says

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Shalom to all. My name is Shlomo Riskin. I am the Chief rabbi of the City of Efrat…..I am an Orthodox Rabbi…and an Orthodox Rabbi who is very profoundly interested in religion in general, in Christianity, and especially in the persona of Jesus in particular….I was truly fascinated by the personality of Jesus, whom to myself I have always referred to as “Rabbi Jesus”….because I think he is indeed a “model Rabbi” in many counts…and he lived the life of a Jewish Rabbi in Israel in a very critical time in our history…..I have constantly come back to the study of his personality and his teachings which are very strongly rooted in Talmudic teachings….
Thy destroyers and they that make thee waste shall go forth of thee.  Isaiah 49:17

 
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Re: 'Chief Rabbi' of Efrat Shlomo Riskin sings the praises of Yoshki
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2010, 08:24:15 AM »
Further clarification found here:    (Not that I'm defending him, nor do I necessarily agree - I haven't really read his comments in either story because I don't care about this subject - but for honesty's sake, let's consider the whole story).

http://hirhurim.blogspot.com/2009/12/jewish-jesus-iii.html

STATEMENT FROM RABBI SHLOMO RISKIN REGARDING YOUTUBE VIDEO DECEMBER 30, 2009

It has come to my attention that comments I made on the character of Jesus in a recent interview have been misunderstood. Allow me to clarify.

The filmed interview in question (given to a group of Christians) was edited carelessly and posted on YouTube by an organization that omitted a significant part of my message. The fundamental differences between Judaism and Christianity, which I always emphasize in my talks with Christian groups, were completely absent from the edited version.

Click here to read moreThe filmed interview in question (given to a group of Christians) was edited carelessly and posted on YouTube by an organization that omitted a significant part of my message. The fundamental differences between Judaism and Christianity, which I always emphasize in my talks with Christian groups, were completely absent from the edited version. In the segment of the film that was spliced out I made specific reference to the fact that Jews can never accept Jesus as the Messiah – anyone who does so is ipso fact not a Jew - and that for us every human being is a child of G-d (and not any one specific individual); no one single person can ever claim that unique status, which G-d bestowed upon all of humanity created in His image.

I would certainly never praise the Christian representation in whose name Jews have been slaughtered and persecuted throughout the years. That was not my intention at all, and I regret putting myself in a position where my words could be manipulated. Indeed, my comments referred to Jesus the historical figure, the man who was not a “Christian,” who did not hate Jews but rather was himself a committed Jew. In order to emphasize this point to a Christian audience, I referred to him as “Rabbi” Jesus, the Jewish historical Jesus as many historians such as Professors Joseph Klausner and David Flusser have proven him to be. However, let me be clear: While I refer to Jesus poetically as “Rabbi” Jesus, he was not a rabbi in the classical sense of the term. It was used only to explain to a Christian audience the Jewish Jesus, and in hindsight, the term was an inappropriate one to use.

Tragically, innumerable horrors were inflicted upon the Jewish people in his name. I always emphasize this point to Christian audiences and they always respond with great empathy and sincere pain. For me, one of the true signs of the unique period in which we are living is that for the first time in 2000 years, the Christian world has held out a hand of peace to the Jewish world. Even more: leading Catholics (notably Pope John 23 and Pope John Paul II), important intellectual Protestants like Professor Jon D. Levenson and Prof. Petra Held and virtually the entire Evangelical community worldwide have asked for our forgiveness, have made serious revisions in their theological positions, and are standing squarely behind the Jewish people in the State of Israel.

As an Orthodox rabbi, I deeply believe that there is a need for mutually-respectful dialogue between the Jewish and Christian worlds. This dialogue must express our common commitment to a G-d of love, pluralism and peace, but must at the same time never gloss over the very different faith commitments of our individual respective religious communities. Dialogue between Jews and Christians is especially crucial now for the political future of the nation of Israel as well as for the security of the free world in the face of the rapidly spreading Islamic Fundamentalism which is terrorizing humanity. Only the G-d of love and peace which we share with the Christian world can overcome the false G-d of Jihad and terrorist bombers. From a Jewish perspective it is clear that such dialogue can only be conducted in accordance with the principals of our Torah philosophy and the faith commitments which are the foundation of our sacred traditions.

Shlomo Riskin

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Re: 'Chief Rabbi' of Efrat Shlomo Riskin sings the praises of Yoshki
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2010, 08:34:00 AM »
Thanks for posting that, KWRBT. Based on the video and based on the article you posted, I think he's just looking for  :$: :$: :$: :$:

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Re: 'Chief Rabbi' of Efrat Shlomo Riskin sings the praises of Yoshki
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2010, 08:47:36 AM »
Reportedly Riskin retracted http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1139261.html

Like Norman Lamm, Jonathan Sacks, Lord Jacobovits etc etc, the hashkofos of these "Moderdox" are as far from Kahanism (ie true Torah) as Neturei Karta!

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Re: 'Chief Rabbi' of Efrat Shlomo Riskin sings the praises of Yoshki
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2010, 08:49:05 AM »
Further clarification found here:    (Not that I'm defending him, nor do I necessarily agree - I haven't really read his comments in either story because I don't care about this subject - but for honesty's sake, let's consider the whole story).

http://hirhurim.blogspot.com/2009/12/jewish-jesus-iii.html

STATEMENT FROM RABBI SHLOMO RISKIN REGARDING YOUTUBE VIDEO DECEMBER 30, 2009

It has come to my attention that comments I made on the character of Jesus in a recent interview have been misunderstood. Allow me to clarify.

The filmed interview in question (given to a group of Christians) was edited carelessly and posted on YouTube by an organization that omitted a significant part of my message. The fundamental differences between Judaism and Christianity, which I always emphasize in my talks with Christian groups, were completely absent from the edited version.

Click here to read moreThe filmed interview in question (given to a group of Christians) was edited carelessly and posted on YouTube by an organization that omitted a significant part of my message. The fundamental differences between Judaism and Christianity, which I always emphasize in my talks with Christian groups, were completely absent from the edited version. In the segment of the film that was spliced out I made specific reference to the fact that Jews can never accept Jesus as the Messiah – anyone who does so is ipso fact not a Jew - and that for us every human being is a child of G-d (and not any one specific individual); no one single person can ever claim that unique status, which G-d bestowed upon all of humanity created in His image.

I would certainly never praise the Christian representation in whose name Jews have been slaughtered and persecuted throughout the years. That was not my intention at all, and I regret putting myself in a position where my words could be manipulated. Indeed, my comments referred to Jesus the historical figure, the man who was not a “Christian,” who did not hate Jews but rather was himself a committed Jew. In order to emphasize this point to a Christian audience, I referred to him as “Rabbi” Jesus, the Jewish historical Jesus as many historians such as Professors Joseph Klausner and David Flusser have proven him to be. However, let me be clear: While I refer to Jesus poetically as “Rabbi” Jesus, he was not a rabbi in the classical sense of the term. It was used only to explain to a Christian audience the Jewish Jesus, and in hindsight, the term was an inappropriate one to use.

Tragically, innumerable horrors were inflicted upon the Jewish people in his name. I always emphasize this point to Christian audiences and they always respond with great empathy and sincere pain. For me, one of the true signs of the unique period in which we are living is that for the first time in 2000 years, the Christian world has held out a hand of peace to the Jewish world. Even more: leading Catholics (notably Pope John 23 and Pope John Paul II), important intellectual Protestants like Professor Jon D. Levenson and Prof. Petra Held and virtually the entire Evangelical community worldwide have asked for our forgiveness, have made serious revisions in their theological positions, and are standing squarely behind the Jewish people in the State of Israel.

As an Orthodox rabbi, I deeply believe that there is a need for mutually-respectful dialogue between the Jewish and Christian worlds. This dialogue must express our common commitment to a G-d of love, pluralism and peace, but must at the same time never gloss over the very different faith commitments of our individual respective religious communities. Dialogue between Jews and Christians is especially crucial now for the political future of the nation of Israel as well as for the security of the free world in the face of the rapidly spreading Islamic Fundamentalism which is terrorizing humanity. Only the G-d of love and peace which we share with the Christian world can overcome the false G-d of Jihad and terrorist bombers. From a Jewish perspective it is clear that such dialogue can only be conducted in accordance with the principals of our Torah philosophy and the faith commitments which are the foundation of our sacred traditions.

Shlomo Riskin

This message indeed clears things up. I mean the way Riskin speaks in the video raises suspision that he is a so called "messianic Jew". Still I think he shouldn't have spoken the way he did even if other parts of his interview were deliberately ommited. I mean this is an example of a Jew who tries too hard to be liked. 

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Re: 'Chief Rabbi' of Efrat Shlomo Riskin sings the praises of Yoshki
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2010, 08:52:14 AM »
He probably was talking Historically not theology
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Re: 'Chief Rabbi' of Efrat Shlomo Riskin sings the praises of Yoshki
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2010, 09:00:39 AM »
I would love to have seen R.Kahane trash and wipe the floor with Riskin in the never-to-be planned debate on expelling the Arabs that was to have taken place on his return from the USA.

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Re: 'Chief Rabbi' of Efrat Shlomo Riskin sings the praises of Yoshki
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2010, 09:50:42 AM »
I   dislike Riskin but what is untrue about what he says

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Shalom to all. My name is Shlomo Riskin. I am the Chief rabbi of the City of Efrat…..I am an Orthodox Rabbi…and an Orthodox Rabbi who is very profoundly interested in religion in general, in Christianity, and especially in the persona of Jesus in particular….I was truly fascinated by the personality of Jesus, whom to myself I have always referred to as “Rabbi Jesus”….because I think he is indeed a “model Rabbi” in many counts…and he lived the life of a Jewish Rabbi in Israel in a very critical time in our history…..I have constantly come back to the study of his personality and his teachings which are very strongly rooted in Talmudic teachings….

You place the "" over "rabbi" Jesus the "model rabbi", but when Riskin speaks you don't hear them, and not that it would matter much. It is absurd for a rabbi to say that Jesus was a "model rabbi" cause even if he thinks Jesus didn't claim to be god, Jesus without a doubt claimed to be the messiah, he annulled Troah mitzvot, so a Jewish rabbi cannot say that Jesus is a model rabbi any more than he can say that on other Jewish reformers/heretics.

I think even to some Christians what this rabbi said is problematic because on the one hand he holds Jesus to be "a model rabbi", on the other hand he rejects the Christrian gospels.

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Re: 'Chief Rabbi' of Efrat Shlomo Riskin sings the praises of Yoshki
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2010, 10:10:32 AM »
I   dislike Riskin but what is untrue about what he says

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Shalom to all. My name is Shlomo Riskin. I am the Chief rabbi of the City of Efrat…..I am an Orthodox Rabbi…and an Orthodox Rabbi who is very profoundly interested in religion in general, in Christianity, and especially in the persona of Jesus in particular….I was truly fascinated by the personality of Jesus, whom to myself I have always referred to as “Rabbi Jesus”….because I think he is indeed a “model Rabbi” in many counts…and he lived the life of a Jewish Rabbi in Israel in a very critical time in our history…..I have constantly come back to the study of his personality and his teachings which are very strongly rooted in Talmudic teachings….

You place the "" over "rabbi" Jesus the "model rabbi", but when Riskin speaks you don't hear them, and not that it would matter much. It is absurd for a rabbi to say that Jesus was a "model rabbi" cause even if he thinks Jesus didn't claim to be G-d, Jesus without a doubt claimed to be the messiah, he annulled Troah mitzvot, so a Jewish rabbi cannot say that Jesus is a model rabbi any more than he can say that on other Jewish reformers/heretics.

I think even to some Christians what this rabbi said is problematic because on the one hand he holds Jesus to be "a model rabbi", on the other hand he rejects the Christrian gospels.
I don't want this to sound like a religious debate, but that's not true. He did speak against the Oral Law, though.

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Re: 'Chief Rabbi' of Efrat Shlomo Riskin sings the praises of Yoshki
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2010, 10:56:16 AM »
I   dislike Riskin but what is untrue about what he says

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Shalom to all. My name is Shlomo Riskin. I am the Chief rabbi of the City of Efrat…..I am an Orthodox Rabbi…and an Orthodox Rabbi who is very profoundly interested in religion in general, in Christianity, and especially in the persona of Jesus in particular….I was truly fascinated by the personality of Jesus, whom to myself I have always referred to as “Rabbi Jesus”….because I think he is indeed a “model Rabbi” in many counts…and he lived the life of a Jewish Rabbi in Israel in a very critical time in our history…..I have constantly come back to the study of his personality and his teachings which are very strongly rooted in Talmudic teachings….

You place the "" over "rabbi" Jesus the "model rabbi", but when Riskin speaks you don't hear them, and not that it would matter much. It is absurd for a rabbi to say that Jesus was a "model rabbi" cause even if he thinks Jesus didn't claim to be G-d, Jesus without a doubt claimed to be the messiah, he annulled Troah mitzvot, so a Jewish rabbi cannot say that Jesus is a model rabbi any more than he can say that on other Jewish reformers/heretics.

I think even to some Christians what this rabbi said is problematic because on the one hand he holds Jesus to be "a model rabbi", on the other hand he rejects the Christrian gospels.
I don't want this to sound like a religious debate, but that's not true. He did speak against the Oral Law, though.

The Oral Torah is the Torah.

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Re: 'Chief Rabbi' of Efrat Shlomo Riskin sings the praises of Yoshki
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2010, 11:08:51 AM »
I   dislike Riskin but what is untrue about what he says

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Shalom to all. My name is Shlomo Riskin. I am the Chief rabbi of the City of Efrat…..I am an Orthodox Rabbi…and an Orthodox Rabbi who is very profoundly interested in religion in general, in Christianity, and especially in the persona of Jesus in particular….I was truly fascinated by the personality of Jesus, whom to myself I have always referred to as “Rabbi Jesus”….because I think he is indeed a “model Rabbi” in many counts…and he lived the life of a Jewish Rabbi in Israel in a very critical time in our history…..I have constantly come back to the study of his personality and his teachings which are very strongly rooted in Talmudic teachings….

You place the "" over "rabbi" Jesus the "model rabbi", but when Riskin speaks you don't hear them, and not that it would matter much. It is absurd for a rabbi to say that Jesus was a "model rabbi" cause even if he thinks Jesus didn't claim to be G-d, Jesus without a doubt claimed to be the messiah, he annulled Troah mitzvot, so a Jewish rabbi cannot say that Jesus is a model rabbi any more than he can say that on other Jewish reformers/heretics.

I think even to some Christians what this rabbi said is problematic because on the one hand he holds Jesus to be "a model rabbi", on the other hand he rejects the Christrian gospels.
I don't want this to sound like a religious debate, but that's not true. He did speak against the Oral Law, though.
Well I think you are right in that this forum really can do better without yet another religious debat :)

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Re: 'Chief Rabbi' of Efrat Shlomo Riskin sings the praises of Yoshki
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2010, 12:00:21 PM »
Don't forget that the Jewish heresies of Korach, Yerovam, the Hellenists, Saducees, Essenes, first Christians, Shabsai Zvi, Frankists, Reform, Masorti, Liberals, Yevsektsiya, Bundists, atheist Zionists etc etc ALL first started among 100% Orthodox Jews!

Another major heretical schism in Orthodox Jewry is overdue and pending, and who says that an Orthodox Jew like Rabbi Riskin couldn't lead the pack!?
He still has a devoted following from his days at Lincoln Square.