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To risk life, limb & shabbos.....for a Haitian Hamitic ingrate?!
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
I can completely understand why Judaism needs to keep itself distinct and separate from "the world" (a Christian term, but it means the same thing as the Gentile world in Judaism), but the spirit of this thread seems rather argumentative to me.
Then again, most Haitians are not good people.
angryChineseKahanist:
--- Quote from: wonga66 on January 16, 2010, 04:58:45 PM ---
To some this may be a Kiddush Hashem. But there's also a risk of a Chillul Hashem.
--- End quote ---
man they are greasy!
Ari Ben-Canaan:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/sosua.html
^The Dominican Republic offered refuge to Jews when no one else would. Haiti is a different political entities, but I believe the people are fairly similar.
I would save a life on shabbat, even if it was someones dog [or to put an animal out of its misery, which is far more unpleasant; a squirl was 1/2 crushed and everyone was swerving out of it's way on the road]. <-If we cannot eat food which has been mistreated, how can we ignore the real suffering of an animal?
Lt. Col Henry Opus, of the French Foreign Legion, IDF, and Marines told me it is OK to break shabbat rules if a life may be saved. He's not a religious Jew [he grew up Orthodox, like many European Jews of his day], but he is a Holocaust survivor [he must be very well acquainted with G-d], and I hold him in high esteem. He has saved many lives on shabbat, or has been busy killing scores of Germans and/or the Arabs. [how can we allow our shabbat to be tainted by suffering which can be alleviated]
"He who saves a life, it is as if he has saved the whole world." [Talmud] <-I am looking at joining Magen David Adom when I make Aliyah; this is a phrase they often use. Given that the whole world is not Jewish, I think it's okay to save that 99% of the world which happens to not be Jewish.
-Maccabees fought on shabbat [to save Jews lives, granted]. I think the first shabbat they got slaughtered, and then from then on out it was decided 7 days a week are needed to "arise earlier than those who would slay you in order to slay them".
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Am I wrong? Am I not following in the Holy ways of our G-d? Life must be precious because G-d cares for it, and G-d creates it... am I wrong to protect what He values?
Saving a life is a good way to be a "light unto the other nations"?
IsraeliGovtAreKapos:
בס"ד
Without going into the Halachic question, I'd just clear it out that I feel no mercy
for those who don't feel mercy for themeselves like these people.
wonga66:
Now that Zaka have put themelves in the world limelight, they are obliged to help out in all circumstances http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/General+News/44948/Zaka+Operations+Officer+Flown+Back+from+Haiti.html
It's a shame there are no qualified pro-JTF rabbis on this forum (or indeed anywhere else?!) who can give us answers to Halachic shaalos.
Already there are claims by antisemites that Zaka & the IDF are in Haiti, not to help, but to harvest organs!
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message966951/pg1
In an Amolekite's eyes, Jews can't do anything right. Hitler would still send a Jewish doctor who might have saved his life after the Bomb Plot to the gas chamber!
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