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rhayat1:
--- Quote from: Ron Ben Michael on January 28, 2010, 08:18:48 AM --- בס"ד
Holocaust deniers are not acceptable and illigitimate. Today, it's a fact
that at least 6 million Jews were murdered in the Holocaust. Claiming that there
has been less is denying the facts and therefore obvious hatred and conspiracism.
If you're Jewish, you should not care about "white" rights. You should only
care about your own people. If your irrational love for Whites [which is
the same as irrational love for Blacks] makes you ally yourself with Nazis,
then you're free to leave our nation.
--- End quote ---
All my life, I've taken a stand for the downtrodden. In Israel, I was involved with Shas (the Sephardic political party) even before 'Ovadia Yosef knew about it. I felt darker skinned Jews were downtrodden in Israel, so I took a stand. These days, it is clear that white people are downtrodden (as a group), so this is the stand I take. Of course I take a stand for Jews as well seeing that I am one. I don't know where you live Ron, but I live in America - a nation founded by European whites and based upon European/white ideals. I benefit every day from the technology invented by whites. I rely upon the medicine developed by whites and I speak a language that was spoken by whites. The car I drive was invented by whites and the cloths I wear. The computer I'm typing on was invented by whites and the architecture that went into my home - which is heated by mechanisms invented by whites. The industry I work in was invented by whites as was the currency they pay me in. Many of those whites were also Jews; yes, it is possible to be both Jewish and white. Hence I do not consider my admiration for whites (in general, of course) to be misplaced. If you have a problem with white civilization, you might consider moving into a mud hut and surrendering your fate to the graces of nature. See how that goes.
Lisa:
Ron lives in Israel.
rhayat1:
--- Quote from: Lisa on January 28, 2010, 08:54:57 PM ---Ron lives in Israel.
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Good for him. One might bring his attention to the fact that America (and Europe) has aided Israel immensely over the years. So a certain appreciation toward America (and Europe) is warranted I think. Also, Israel is very much based on Western civilization. Its people speak Hebrew with a strong European accent (as I've mentioned in another post), dress Western style, fashion their government after Western democracies and benefit from all the great things that Western civilization has to offer. "Western" is a subset of "white" of course. It's ironic that I, personally, prefer Mideastern culture as far as language, music, dress and cuisine. I believe our Jewish roots go back to that. And yet here we are...
Furthermore, although I might come across as a troll, in reality I'm just not very diplomatic at times. I have strong opinions and I'll just blurt them out. Nevertheless, I don't think it's appropriate to fling personal attacks or vitriol. If Ron feels that some people are mistaken about historic facts, let him engage them in debate and let him show them the error of their ways. He is convinced that such people simply hate Jews and this is why they question the magnitude of the holocaust. Perhaps... but I'm curious, has Ron ever actually spoken to one of those people? I'm not talking about holocaust DENIERS because I agree with Ron on that count. I'm talking about revisionists. Get to know a person. Become familiar with their stance and attitudes and then pass judgment. To do otherwise is prejudice and prejudice is bad.
Moshe92:
--- Quote from: rhayat1 on January 28, 2010, 09:26:02 PM ---
--- Quote from: Lisa on January 28, 2010, 08:54:57 PM ---Ron lives in Israel.
--- End quote ---
Good for him. One might bring his attention to the fact that America (and Europe) has aided Israel immensely over the years. So a certain appreciation toward America (and Europe) is warranted I think. Also, Israel is very much based on Western civilization. Its people speak Hebrew with a strong European accent (as I've mentioned in another post), dress Western style, fashion their government after Western democracies and benefit from all the great things that Western civilization has to offer. "Western" is a subset of "white" of course. It's ironic that I, personally, prefer Mideastern culture as far as language, music, dress and cuisine. I believe our Jewish roots go back to that. And yet here we are...
Furthermore, although I might come across as a troll, in reality I'm just not very diplomatic at times. I have strong opinions and I'll just blurt them out. Nevertheless, I don't think it's appropriate to fling personal attacks or vitriol. If Ron feels that some people are mistaken about historic facts, let him engage them in debate and let him show them the error of their ways. He is convinced that such people simply hate Jews and this is why they question the magnitude of the holocaust. Perhaps... but I'm curious, has Ron ever actually spoken to one of those people? I'm not talking about holocaust DENIERS because I agree with Ron on that count. I'm talking about revisionists. Get to know a person. Become familiar with their stance and attitudes and then pass judgment. To do otherwise is prejudice and prejudice is bad.
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American "aid" does nothing but hurt Israel. In the Six Day War, Israel fared pretty well without the help of the world. Israel owes absolutely nothing to America or any other country in the world.
As for the West, here's an interesting thread from the Hebrew forum about the topic. http://hayamin.org/forum/index.php/topic,23573.0.html
Holocaust "revisionists" are evil people who are enemies of the Jews. I would suggest avoiding them.
rhayat1:
I think that survey question, and its options are ambiguous and confusing. Then again, so were my statements about "Western civilization". It's far too complex to simply ask "Is the West a friend or foe?" In my case, I was using the term instead of the "White race" - which, in today's world, needs to develop a sense of cohesion, self-identity and solidarity (because every individual has the right to consider himself a member of an ethnicity. To be part of a "tribe" if you will). Otherwise, every white will be at a disadvantage at the hands all the other races which DO have such an identity. Regarding the survey, it's confusing because one option states "they tried to physically destroy us" - obviously referring to older European nations such as Germany or the Cossacks - while another option refers to the "trash of Western culture" - clearly referring to American pop culture. These really are two different things and it's unfortunate that they both are called "Western". Are American pop culture and Victorian British culture really the same thing?
I stand by what I posted earlier. Israeli culture is 90% "Western" if not more. The only aspects of Israeli culture that are still Mideastern are a) some of the cuisine and b) some of the more negative attitudes amongst the lower classes regarding law and order. The music is, at best, a hybrid - even what passes for "Sephardic" music. So, if most Israelis despise "Western" culture so much, why do they emulate it? Why is it so important to be "moderni" (a euphemism for "American/European")? At least when I was there, the government would subsidize bread - but only Western style bread. It would not subsidize flat bread/pita. This should tell you something.
As for the foreign aid, I'll defer to your opinion on that. It wouldn't surprise me. But I have read that many of the weapons and ammo the IDF uses were manufactured in the U.S.
If I knew how I could directly type in Hebrew to the forum, I'd participate in the Hebrew section as well.
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