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Judaism: Forbidden art?
Spiraling Leopard:
Religion should be logical. If something is forbidden, there should be a reason for it.
So why would the depiction of living things be forbidden?
Humans will start to see a statue of a person, or a teddy bear for instance, as living objects and might even talk to it or consider it alive; when it is not.
This is quite insane when you think about it, and
also unhealthy, because you give attention, which in itself is life or even give love, to a useless piece of material.
You only should give attention and love to actual living things, otherwise it is a waste or even idolatry.
Awareness is a precious thing. Don't waste it.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Bio-Electric Apprentice on February 05, 2010, 04:37:45 AM ---Religion should be logical. If something is forbidden, there should be a reason for it.
--- End quote ---
What are you talking about? Of course there are reasons that forbidden things are forbidden, and of course the oral law operates logically (and on mesorah - tradition). White Israelite asked to know what is forbidden and what is permitted. So I summarized that for him. He was not asking why. But certainly there is scriptural basis, you should have no doubt about that, and God has His reasons for the mitzvot which we can not ever know for sure but can contemplate and speculate and find meaning in them.
--- Quote ---"So why would the depiction of living things be forbidden?
Humans will start to see a statue of a person, or a teddy bear for instance, as living objects and might even talk to it or consider it alive; when it is not.
This is quite insane when you think about it, and"
--- End quote ---
Did you read my post at all? "Depiction of living things" is NOT forbidden. Not in 2D, and in 3D only a HUMAN depiction is forbidden. If you call Sun, moon, and stars "living things" then these are the only things forbidden in 2D drawings.
A Teddy Bear is not forbidden. Making one or owning one. It's not human.
Spiraling Leopard:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on February 05, 2010, 06:51:38 AM ---
--- Quote from: Bio-Electric Apprentice on February 05, 2010, 04:37:45 AM ---Religion should be logical. If something is forbidden, there should be a reason for it.
--- End quote ---
What are you talking about? Of course there are reasons that forbidden things are forbidden, and of course the oral law operates logically (and on mesorah - tradition). White Israelite asked to know what is forbidden and what is permitted. So I summarized that for him. He was not asking why. But certainly there is scriptural basis, you should have no doubt about that, and G-d has His reasons for the mitzvot which we can not ever know for sure but can contemplate and speculate and find meaning in them.
--- Quote ---"So why would the depiction of living things be forbidden?
Humans will start to see a statue of a person, or a teddy bear for instance, as living objects and might even talk to it or consider it alive; when it is not.
This is quite insane when you think about it, and"
--- End quote ---
Did you read my post at all? "Depiction of living things" is NOT forbidden. Not in 2D, and in 3D only a HUMAN depiction is forbidden. If you call Sun, moon, and stars "living things" then these are the only things forbidden in 2D drawings.
A Teddy Bear is not forbidden. Making one or owning one. It's not human.
--- End quote ---
Yes I read your post. I just choose to nót see you as all knowing.
I just give a logical explanation and that seems to bother you.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Bio-Electric Apprentice on February 05, 2010, 06:57:58 AM ---
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on February 05, 2010, 06:51:38 AM ---
--- Quote from: Bio-Electric Apprentice on February 05, 2010, 04:37:45 AM ---Religion should be logical. If something is forbidden, there should be a reason for it.
--- End quote ---
What are you talking about? Of course there are reasons that forbidden things are forbidden, and of course the oral law operates logically (and on mesorah - tradition). White Israelite asked to know what is forbidden and what is permitted. So I summarized that for him. He was not asking why. But certainly there is scriptural basis, you should have no doubt about that, and G-d has His reasons for the mitzvot which we can not ever know for sure but can contemplate and speculate and find meaning in them.
--- Quote ---"So why would the depiction of living things be forbidden?
Humans will start to see a statue of a person, or a teddy bear for instance, as living objects and might even talk to it or consider it alive; when it is not.
This is quite insane when you think about it, and"
--- End quote ---
Did you read my post at all? "Depiction of living things" is NOT forbidden. Not in 2D, and in 3D only a HUMAN depiction is forbidden. If you call Sun, moon, and stars "living things" then these are the only things forbidden in 2D drawings.
A Teddy Bear is not forbidden. Making one or owning one. It's not human.
--- End quote ---
Yes I read your post. I just choose to nót see you as all knowing.
I just give a logical explanation and that seems to bother you.
--- End quote ---
I am astounded at how pathetically insecure you sound. I am not "all knowing." The JEWISH LAW, operates on 'halacha' which is only arrived at through Talmudic study - a vast corpus of Oral tradition which expounds upon the Torah and is the only binding explanation of law with a tradition of interpretation stemming all the way back to Moshe and the first Jews that were. I did not even say that it was my own ideas I was giving over. My rabbi, who has studied the Talmud in depth and all the of the sources, has arrived at the halacha on this issue and gave a psak din (a ruling) for White Israelite who asked a halachic question. Jewish law does not operate on "making stuff up" - which is what you did here. You make a mockery of Judaism with your ignorant comments, and that has no place here.
Your invented speculation not only says nothing about what the Jewish law is or is not, and has no relevance since you do not claim to put any textual backing behind it or to have any source in Jewish sources, but it also was Wrong... Incorrect... According to Jewish law. You may not understand how Judaism operates, and I don't expect you to, but White Israelite's question was for a trained, qualified rabbi who knows the sources in Jewish law - not some ignorant speculating know-nothing to make something up. White Israelite also could have made up anything he wanted too. But that was not his intention. His intention was to find out about Jewish law.
BTW are you even Jewish? If not, you have absolutely no business "teaching" what you think is 'bible' to Jews.
Spiraling Leopard:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on February 05, 2010, 07:26:17 AM ---
--- Quote from: Bio-Electric Apprentice on February 05, 2010, 06:57:58 AM ---
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on February 05, 2010, 06:51:38 AM ---
--- Quote from: Bio-Electric Apprentice on February 05, 2010, 04:37:45 AM ---Religion should be logical. If something is forbidden, there should be a reason for it.
--- End quote ---
What are you talking about? Of course there are reasons that forbidden things are forbidden, and of course the oral law operates logically (and on mesorah - tradition). White Israelite asked to know what is forbidden and what is permitted. So I summarized that for him. He was not asking why. But certainly there is scriptural basis, you should have no doubt about that, and G-d has His reasons for the mitzvot which we can not ever know for sure but can contemplate and speculate and find meaning in them.
--- Quote ---"So why would the depiction of living things be forbidden?
Humans will start to see a statue of a person, or a teddy bear for instance, as living objects and might even talk to it or consider it alive; when it is not.
This is quite insane when you think about it, and"
--- End quote ---
Did you read my post at all? "Depiction of living things" is NOT forbidden. Not in 2D, and in 3D only a HUMAN depiction is forbidden. If you call Sun, moon, and stars "living things" then these are the only things forbidden in 2D drawings.
A Teddy Bear is not forbidden. Making one or owning one. It's not human.
--- End quote ---
Yes I read your post. I just choose to nót see you as all knowing.
I just give a logical explanation and that seems to bother you.
--- End quote ---
I am astounded at how pathetically insecure you sound. I am not "all knowing." The JEWISH LAW, operates on 'halacha' which is only arrived at through Talmudic study - a vast corpus of Oral tradition which expounds upon the Torah and is the only binding explanation of law with a tradition of interpretation stemming all the way back to Moshe and the first Jews that were. I did not even say that it was my own ideas I was giving over. My rabbi, who has studied the Talmud in depth and all the of the sources, has arrived at the halacha on this issue and gave a psak din (a ruling) for White Israelite who asked a halachic question. Jewish law does not operate on "making stuff up" - which is what you did here. You make a mockery of Judaism with your ignorant comments, and that has no place here.
Your invented speculation not only says nothing about what the Jewish law is or is not, and has no relevance since you do not claim to put any textual backing behind it or to have any source in Jewish sources, but it also was Wrong... Incorrect... According to Jewish law. You may not understand how Judaism operates, and I don't expect you to, but White Israelite's question was for a trained, qualified rabbi who knows the sources in Jewish law - not some ignorant speculating know-nothing to make something up. White Israelite also could have made up anything he wanted too. But that was not his intention. His intention was to find out about Jewish law.
BTW are you even Jewish? If not, you have absolutely no business "teaching" what you think is 'bible' to Jews.
--- End quote ---
Insecure? I wonder how you are going to reason that one.
I did not say you were 'all knowing', you speak like you previous post was a finite answer.
Jewish law? From what I understand different rabbi's will give different interpretation's so questioning yóúr rabbi's answer is only logical.
I am not making stuff up; I reason my theory and if you want to deny the theory I gave based on your own reasoning, then do so.
I don't mock Judaism and if you call somebody's comments ignorant you should at least back it up with reasoning and a bunch of 'how's' and 'why's'.
This is a place for righteous people. Apparently, the way you theorize as displayed by your own words, is that you will deny Truth, if it is nót directly backed by Jewish scriptures. That makes you a dogmatic sheep that can't think for himself.
I am 'teaching' here? I am not teaching anything. I give my explanation and that bothers you. Perhaps you need some counseling.
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