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Judaism: Forbidden art?
muman613:
Bio,
I take it that you are not Jewish because otherwise you would try to learn a little bit about how Halacha works. I have done a lot of explaining here and KWRBT and his Rabbi have summarized the Jewish law very well. Things are not made up by the Rabbis and as I said this Halacha is all based on the 2nd Commandment of the 10 Commandments {which by the way is the portion of the Torah which we read on Shabbat this week}. The second commandment is very clear about how Hashem views the creation of graven images.
Idolatry has been a big problem with the people of the world. Many people have ascribed powers to statues and to trees and other parts of nature. To this day people still believe that G-d has an image. The point of the second commandment is to ensure that people don't go around making idols and worshipping them. In this day and age people make themselves idols in many ways.
i dont know why you seem to have a problem understanding why Halacha has been determined to be the way it is. It is completely logical. There are codes of Jewish law in the Shulchan Aruch and other accepted works. And concerning how some Rabbis dispense Halacha doesn't negate that there are agreed upon decisions. A rabbi may give different answers to different people because the answer in law must be tailored to the person asking it.
In the case of Idolatry the Halacha which KWRBT brought down from his Rabbi is the universally accepted Halacha of Orthodox Judaism. While there are other 'denominations' of Judaism they are not authentic and are discounted by Torah Jews because the other 'denominations' have decided to nullify the Torah and commandments...
--- Quote ---Shemot/Exodus 20
3 Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any manner of likeness, of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
4 thou shalt not bow down unto them, nor serve them; for I the LORD thy G-d am a jealous G-d, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me;
--- End quote ---
Spiraling Leopard:
--- Quote from: muman613 on February 05, 2010, 10:30:18 AM ---Bio,
I take it that you are not Jewish because otherwise you would try to learn a little bit about how Halacha works. I have done a lot of explaining here and KWRBT and his Rabbi have summarized the Jewish law very well. Things are not made up by the Rabbis and as I said this Halacha is all based on the 2nd Commandment of the 10 Commandments {which by the way is the portion of the Torah which we read on Shabbat this week}. The second commandment is very clear about how Hashem views the creation of graven images.
Idolatry has been a big problem with the people of the world. Many people have ascribed powers to statues and to trees and other parts of nature. To this day people still believe that G-d has an image. The point of the second commandment is to ensure that people don't go around making idols and worshipping them. In this day and age people make themselves idols in many ways.
i dont know why you seem to have a problem understanding why Halacha has been determined to be the way it is. It is completely logical. There are codes of Jewish law in the Shulchan Aruch and other accepted works. And concerning how some Rabbis dispense Halacha doesn't negate that there are agreed upon decisions. A rabbi may give different answers to different people because the answer in law must be tailored to the person asking it.
In the case of Idolatry the Halacha which KWRBT brought down from his Rabbi is the universally accepted Halacha of Orthodox Judaism. While there are other 'denominations' of Judaism they are not authentic and are discounted by Torah Jews because the other 'denominations' have decided to nullify the Torah and commandments...
--- Quote ---Shemot/Exodus 20
3 Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any manner of likeness, of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
4 thou shalt not bow down unto them, nor serve them; for I the LORD thy G-d am a jealous G-d, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me;
--- End quote ---
--- End quote ---
I don't say rabbi's make things up; I point to the fact that a lot of things are argued about and so are not directly certain to a certain degree by Judaism itself.
I don't understand why you seem to see me as if I would have a problem with how the Halacha has been determined. I just give my own explanation based on how awareness works. This is not contradicting Judaism.
If I have written anything that would be completely absurd, then please point out what it is, but I think what I wrote makes quite good sense.
Kwrbt is getting heated up for no apparent reasons other than that I apparently seem to tighten up the rules for idolatry and refute his idiotic personal comments.
muman613:
This morning in the Shuir I listened to on this weekends Parasha which is the portion which relates the giving of the Ten Statements {Ten Commandments} at the mount of Sinai the Rabbi related exactly the halacha which KWRBT related here...
There is nothing wrong with drawings and photographs which are 2 dimensional representations. But the questions begin when we are talking about statues.... There is disagreement on whether just a Bust {a head and chest} and not the whole human figure is made into a statue... Some of the Rabbis say that busts and incomplete statues {ones which have had limbs broken off, etc.} are not a violation of the 2nd commandment while others take a more strict view... Also making representations of the sun the moon and the stars is explicitly forbidden by the 2nd commandment.
If you are interested in listening to this Rabbi explain some of the deeper meanings of the Ten Statements I can provide a link to this talk...
PS: I have known KWRBT for over 2 years now and he doesn't make 'idiotic personal comments' without a reason. It seemed from your first response to him that you were denigrating what his Rabbi said. I have heard and read some of what his Rabbi says and I must say that he seems like a very wise teacher.
muman613:
Read a little about Idolatory:
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/519586/jewish/Whats-So-Terrible-about-Idolatry.htm
Masha:
So there are no sculptures in art museums in Israel?
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