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Neanderthal converts?
Rubystars:
There has been some evidence of Neanderthals having religion so I consider them to be human beings who had a relationship with God or were capable of such.
muman613:
--- Quote from: Rubystars on March 24, 2010, 01:54:59 PM ---There has been some evidence of Neanderthals having religion so I consider them to be human beings who had a relationship with G-d or were capable of such.
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What kind of religion? Just doing ritual things doesn't make religion. Remember that the idolators also had religion, so did the people who performed human sacrifice, and so are those who eat their own kind.... I dont think these creatures could understand the laws which Hashem created for mankind. This is why animals are not required to obey commandments other than their nature...
Rubystars:
--- Quote from: muman613 on March 24, 2010, 03:21:00 PM ---
--- Quote from: Rubystars on March 24, 2010, 01:54:59 PM ---There has been some evidence of Neanderthals having religion so I consider them to be human beings who had a relationship with G-d or were capable of such.
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What kind of religion? Just doing ritual things doesn't make religion. Remember that the idolators also had religion, so did the people who performed human sacrifice, and so are those who eat their own kind.... I dont think these creatures could understand the laws which Hashem created for mankind. This is why animals are not required to obey commandments other than their nature...
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Apparently, they had some rituals tied to burial and I think they have been found with flutes. Musical instruments are usually tied in ancient cultures to some kind of religious practice. They could have banged a kind of drum to keep time for the rituals and played the flute too. They had fires and tools. I consider them to be human, just a different type of human, like a different race that's just a bit more removed from the other races.
Raulmarrio2000:
Even if Neanderthals were humans, the question is whether a clon of a human is human. And, besides the ethical problem of cloning ANY living being and manipulating Nature, if Neanderthals were or might have been humans it would be a serious sin to try to clon them.
And what's the point of discussing about an extinct species? Torah gives no special definition of who is a human being because, at the time it was given, the only humans were Homo Sapiens and there is no possiblity of doubt. Nobody has to deal with any practical question of whether a living being is a human or not today. Not good to investigate secrets of the past which have no practical application.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Raulmarrio2000 on March 25, 2010, 01:01:41 AM ---Even if Neanderthals were humans, the question is whether a clon of a human is human.
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In what way would a clone of a human not be a human? Was Dolly not a sheep? Indeed, she was a sheep.
--- Quote ---And, besides the ethical problem of cloning ANY living being and manipulating Nature, if Neanderthals were or might have been humans it would be a serious sin to try to clon them.
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In America it is against the law to clone a human being, so it would be breaking the law of the land to do so. It is also extremely difficult and dangerous procedure with high rate of failure, and of the people trying to do so in other countries, they have failed again and again. It seems it is not feasible to do so in any case. Would it be ethically wrong? I'm not sure why it would be. It's just creating a DNA match of a person, like an identical twin, only born at different times. (If it was a procedure that worked and proven healthy and safe) - What's the big ethical problem?
--- Quote ---And what's the point of discussing about an extinct species? Torah gives no special definition of who is a human being because, at the time it was given, the only humans were Homo Sapiens and there is no possiblity of doubt. Nobody has to deal with any practical question of whether a living being is a human or not today. Not good to investigate secrets of the past which have no practical application.
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That's true, we are the human species that was kept alive and we were kept alive for a reason. I'm not sure I understand why people would want to resurrect a competing species. This seems like one of those suicidal "love the enemy" mentalities.
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