Why do Syrian Jews hate converts so much?

[Ben m]

it all falls down to this are IQ test an iron clad way of determining intelligence , remember it does not determine creativity or a myriad of other tings  ..ok its proven people with high IQs can have jobs the require smarts ... answer this can a person with a low iq also attain such a job.. is it possible for person with an IQ of 90 to become a physician? 89? 87?  The answer is yes , there are people that are extremely intelligent yet have normal iq or below the median ..

the IQ is a joke   and is outdated every good psychologist will tell you that .. mr atheist stop clinging to outdated psychology if people thought like you , we would still be drilling holes in peoples heads to let the demons out lol.. there is so much newer and better research being done to understand intelligence

oych please,i had posted the relevance of iq in many other threads.

[TheCoon]

I think in this case it shows a lack of understanding of their own religion. They're viewing the converts as non-Jews when this shouldn't be the case. It's extremely hard to crack such beliefs because many Jewish communities still don't fully trust the "goyim" to this day.

[Chai]

Normal not all studies are created sequel u believe all u read..poor form.I bet you r one of those people that never read the Bible yet claims to be an athiest

[Chai]

Again. There is such a thing as a poor research. .old. .done in a bad school. Biased. Bad Dr.etc etc didn't see anything good

 

N

[Ben m]

Again. There is such a thing as a poor research. .old. .done in a bad school. Biased. Bad Dr.etc etc didn't see anything good

 

N

actually the 19th century reaserches are the best beacuse they weren't contaminated by politically correct bias.

[muman613]

Again. There is such a thing as a poor research. .old. .done in a bad school. Biased. Bad Dr.etc etc didn't see anything good

 

N

actually the 19th century reaserches are the best beacuse they weren't contaminated by politically correct bias.

Yet they were still tainted by old biases. You are naive if you think otherwise...

Remember that by German 'scientists' who to this day as still recognized as great figures of modern science, the Jew was considered inferior in both mental and physical strength. Just look at the 'science' of phrenology and other psuedo-sciences which were used to justify the Holocaust against the Jewish people of Europe...

http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html

        v. Tuberculosis Experiments

        The Nazis conducted experiments to determine whether there were any natural immunities to Tuberculosis ("TB") and to develop a vaccination serum against TB. Doctor Heissmeyer sought to disprove the popular belief that TB was an infectious disease. Doctor Heissmeyer claimed that only an "exhaustive" organism was receptive to such infection, most of all the racially "inferior organism of the Jews."

        Heissmeyer injected live tubercle bacilli into the subjects' lungs to immunize against TB. He also removed the lymph glands from the arms of twenty Jewish children. About 200 adult subjects perished, and twenty children were hanged at the Bullenhauser Dam in Heissmeyer's effort to hide the experiments from the approaching Allied Army.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Remember that by German 'scientists' who to this day as still recognized as great figures of modern science,

In what universe is that true?

[Ben m]

Remember that by German 'scientists' who to this day as still recognized as great figures of modern science,

In what universe is that true?

only in fantasy universe.

[muman613]

Remember that by German 'scientists' who to this day as still recognized as great figures of modern science,

In what universe is that true?

only in fantasy universe.

No, in this universe, for sure...

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:NS6RFvCix9UJ:download.yutorah.org/2008/1053/725074/An%2520Ethical%2520Debate:%2520Should%2520Scientists%2520Use%2520Data%2520from%2520Nazi%2520Experiements.pdf+german+scientists&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiIxtevCJP-BHfK5rC_1OluBKdyyqkAuM5f9wQaJAdNt3jWpq_gn_FTsNwhRyhaEaLskp42aqdqUBUT1Sc0mJ26PBa5Tyzcjkd8y58_qGy_nPMNfkOwVWLH5c7rLCI14CkIpR_G&sig=AHIEtbQWHJ7FM00hBh0LJVaBv6keUj1dGg

http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html

http://www.aish.com/ho/i/48954311.html

The world's most cultured people were known for the most inhuman behavior.

On Yom HaShoah, Israel's national memorial day for the Holocaust, the media is filled with personal accounts of the survivors of that national catastrophe. The enormity of suffering which they depict makes a listener aware of how inadequate human emotions are in supplying a fitting response.

On an intellectual level, these stories inevitably evoke an important question. Since these atrocities could not have been perpetrated without the active or passive participation of millions of Germans, how could a nation which was then the leader of Western culture -- in art, music, culture and science -- sink to such a level of inhumanity? The explanation usually given is that in the pre-war years the economic and social pressures were so overpowering for Germans, that they could not pay attention to their culture.

A survivor's story casts a new perspective on this issue. In an article in Israeli newspaper, Ha-Aretz, a doctoral student relates the story of her mother who survived Auschwitz because of the latter's musical talents. The infamous Dr. Mengele, medical director of that camp, is well-known for the medical experiments which he performed on concentration camp inmates. These included such "scientific" inquiries as the length of time a man can survive being submerged in freezing water, which level of torture causes unconsciousness; how small children react to physical mutilations, and the like.

    Dr. Mengele, who tortured Auschwitz inmates, was a great devotee of classical music.

What is less known about Mengele, at least until this article was published, is that he was a devotee of classical music. In fact, in the same building known as "the experimentation block" there was a "music room" in which he would indulge his talent of violin playing. When the above-mentioned woman arrived at Auschwitz, Mengele noted in her record that she was a pianist and asked her to perform for him. He was so impressed with her talents that he decided to give her special treatment, a privilege that ultimately spared her life.

In addition to the usual slave labor to which all inmates were subjected, this woman had to perform periodically for Mengele, often while the latter would accompany her on his violin. In particular, the article relates, he loved to have her play Shubert's "Serenade" and the religious hymn, "Ave Maria."

So important was music to Mengele, that he trained one of his dogs to be sensitive to every nuance of his favorite compositions. If ever the woman would play a note inaccurately, the dog would pounce on her and viciously bite her. This happened many times when she was forced to perform before Mengele when she was unable to concentrate fully on her playing, such as after she had contracted tuberculosis.

She had at least ten scars all over her body resulting from dog-bites incurred by lapses in her performance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

Operation Paperclip was the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) program used to recruit the scientists of Nazi Germany for employment by the United States in the aftermath of World War II (1939–45). It was executed by the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency (JIOA), and in the context of the burgeoning Soviet–American Cold War (1945–91), one purpose of Operation Paperclip was to deny German scientific knowledge and expertise to the USSR[2] and the UK.[3]

Although the JIOA’s recruitment of German scientists began after the European Allied victory (8 May 1945), US President Harry Truman did not formally order the execution of Operation Paperclip until August 1945. Truman's order expressly excluded anyone found “to have been a member of the Nazi Party, and more than a nominal participant in its activities, or an active supporter of Nazi militarism.” Said restriction would have rendered ineligible most of the scientists the JIOA had identified for recruitment, among them rocket scientists Wernher von Braun and Arthur Rudolph, and the physician Hubertus Strughold, each earlier classified as a “menace to the security of the Allied Forces”.

To circumvent President Truman’s anti-Nazi order, and the Allied Potsdam and Yalta agreements, the JIOA worked independently to create false employment and political biographies for the scientists. The JIOA also expunged from the public record the scientists' Nazi Party memberships and régime affiliations. Once “bleached” of their Nazism, the US Government granted the scientists security clearance to work in the United States. Paperclip, the project’s operational name, derived from the paperclips used to attach the scientists’ new political personæ to their “US Government Scientist” JIOA personnel files.[4]

[JTFenthusiast2]

Ohm, Hertz, Heisinger, Max Planck, Einstein, Riemann, Haber and so many more... all Germans

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Ohm, Hertz, Heisinger, Max Planck, Einstein, Riemann, Haber and so many more... all Germans

LOL!   Are you claiming Max Planck carried out nazi experiments on Jewish children?  The ignorance here is astounding!

Muman cited an evil behema (animal) and claimed that "modern science" hails the person as a "great figure."   Then you cite Einstein.  Give me a break.   

Btw, did you realize that while being a German Einstein was also Jewish too!?   Unbelievable.

[JTFenthusiast2]

I am claiming that they were all Brilliant scientists

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Remember that by German 'scientists' who to this day as still recognized as great figures of modern science,

In what universe is that true?

only in fantasy universe.

No, in this universe, for sure...

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:NS6RFvCix9UJ:download.yutorah.org/2008/1053/725074/An%2520Ethical%2520Debate:%2520Should%2520Scientists%2520Use%2520Data%2520from%2520Nazi%2520Experiements.pdf+german+scientists&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiIxtevCJP-BHfK5rC_1OluBKdyyqkAuM5f9wQaJAdNt3jWpq_gn_FTsNwhRyhaEaLskp42aqdqUBUT1Sc0mJ26PBa5Tyzcjkd8y58_qGy_nPMNfkOwVWLH5c7rLCI14CkIpR_G&sig=AHIEtbQWHJ7FM00hBh0LJVaBv6keUj1dGg

http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html

http://www.aish.com/ho/i/48954311.html

The world's most cultured people were known for the most inhuman behavior.

Sorry Muman, but it appears you have cited several items that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand and have no relevance to the question I asked or the claim you made.

Please try again.

(You appear to be conflating separate issues).

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

I am claiming that they were all Brilliant scientists

Let me hope for clarification:
  "And what point do you attempt to make by saying they are great scientists?"

[JTFenthusiast2]

Sorry, I may have misread.  I thought two people were disputing the great achievements of Germans in the realm of science.  Before WWII, I can't see how anyone could make this claim.  In most graduate chemistry and physics programs to this day, one must pass an exam demonstrating reading knowledge of German and Russian

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Sorry, I may have misread.  I thought two people were disputing the great achievements of Germans in the realm of science.  Before WWII, I can't see how anyone could make this claim. 

No problem.
Indeed, no question about it.

In that case, don't forget Krebs and Warburg too!   

The argument was about something else entirely.


Btw, in case you're interested you may know that Krebs was Jewish.... Well his sister made aliyah and started a family in Israel and she always resented his self-hating stance with regards to allied post-war treatment of Germany.  I think she may have cut off contact from him completely if I remember correctly.

[muman613]

I am saying, and there is ample evidence, that Nazi scientists were considered some of the most brilliant scientists of the era. The United States intelligence and science community leapt at the chance to bring many of these evil creatures to the United States during Operation Paperclip {which I posted a reference to above}...

There is no disputing that the german scientists were and still are respected around the world as some of the best and brightest of scientists... And these were scientists who may have been involved with using Jews in horrible experiments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_paperclip

During later decades, the wartime activities of some Project Paperclip scientists were investigated. Arthur Rudolph was deported in 1984, and then exonerated by West Germany[17]. Similarly, Georg Rickhey was acquitted of war crimes. Hubertus Strughold was implicated in Nazi human experimentation; the aeromedical library at Brooks Air Force Base was named after him in 1977, however it was later renamed because documents from the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal linked Strughold to medical experiments in which inmates from Dachau were tortured and killed.[18]

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

I am saying, and there is ample evidence, that Nazi scientists were considered some of the most brilliant scientists of the era.

Now you're saying something different.  But by referring to German scientists as "nazi scientists," you conflate different issues.  Not all German scientists were Nazis.  In fact, some of the greatest German scientists of that era, who transformed the entire modern world, were Jews!

There is no disputing that the german scientists were and still are respected around the world as some of the best and brightest of scientists... 

Good so far

And these were scientists who may have been involved with using Jews in horrible experiments. 

  Now you've entered into unsubstantiated territory with this last bit.  You cannot document this with a citation or source because it is patently ridiculous!   The German scientists who are praised are the ones who did good science!   Horrific and sadistic experiments on humans for racial purposes is not considered "good science" by anyone except maybe neo-nazis.  No one holds dr. mengele in high esteem as a researcher.  He was moreso a horrificly cruel sadistic animal than a scientist by any rational account.  It is time you stop labeling the entire discipline of science as the boogeyman. 


Bringing a quote about operation paperclip says something about the CIA, not about "modern science."

[muman613]

I am saying, and there is ample evidence, that Nazi scientists were considered some of the most brilliant scientists of the era.

Now you're saying something different.  But by referring to German scientists as "nazi scientists," you conflate different issues.  Not all German scientists were Nazis.  In fact, some of the greatest German scientists of that era, who transformed the entire modern world, were Jews!

There is no disputing that the german scientists were and still are respected around the world as some of the best and brightest of scientists... 

Good so far

And these were scientists who may have been involved with using Jews in horrible experiments. 

  Now you've entered into unsubstantiated territory with this last bit.  You cannot document this with a citation or source because it is patently ridiculous!   The German scientists who are praised are the ones who did good science!   Horrific and sadistic experiments on humans for racial purposes is not considered "good science" by anyone except maybe neo-nazis.  No one holds dr. mengele in high esteem as a researcher.  He was moreso a horrificly cruel sadistic animal than a scientist by any rational account.  It is time you stop labeling the entire discipline of science as the boogeyman. 


Bringing a quote about operation paperclip says something about the CIA, not about "modern science."

KWRBT,

I am not making any statement about good science in my posts... I was simply trying to show, originally to NA who was attempting to use some scientific racial evidence..

"actually the 19th century reaserches are the best beacuse they weren't contaminated by politically correct bias."

I wanted to make clear that just because 'science' occured in the 19th and 20th centuries that it too may be biased for a variety of reasons. Most obvious was the use of 'science' by the Nazis to brand Jews as sub-humans and psuedo-genetics which proved Jews to be inferior..



 

Again. There is such a thing as a poor research. .old. .done in a bad school. Biased. Bad Dr.etc etc didn't see anything good

 

N

actually the 19th century reaserches are the best beacuse they weren't contaminated by politically correct bias.

[MassuhDGoodName]

Regarding German scientists and Operation Paperclip:

It wasn't just science -- Prior to WWII, Germany was the most advanced country in the world, far ahead of everyone else in science, medicine, literature, philosophy, music, art, manufacturing, etc.  Germany was also the first country in the world to implement social security safety nets for its citizens, and Germans were considered the most cultured, the most advanced, the most highly educated, and the most civilized people on the planet.
After WWII, with the Americans and Soviets occupying a divided Nazi State and starting their own "Cold War", the race was on to make "deals" with those scientists who were leading Germany's war effort in physics, aerospace and military research, many of whom were "conscripted" into service and had no choice but to serve their homeland.  In real terms, these men were all seized and arrested by both Americans and Soviets, and then given the choice to a) either switch sides and work for their new captors in military and aerospace research, or never be seen again.  In the case of American prisoners, the additional blackmail of "being turned over to the Soviets to face war crimes charges" were used as incentives to make them cooperate.
In spite of the necessity to come out ahead of the competition, America's hands ended up covered in blood, as more than a few monsters were brought to America and given new lives with all the benefits of citizenship.
If there is a lesson to be learned out of all of this, it is that the most civilized and educated people on earth fell sway to mass psychosis and barbarism when their government became incapable of governing, their economy was destroyed by unjust war reparations and hyperinflation, and their national pride was humiliated on the world stage.  Rabbi Kahane was clear in his teaching that the German of the 1920's was more cultured, more educated, more hospitable, and less violent than we Americans are today, and yet when faced with literal starvation and hopelessness did what all human beings will do under the same circumstances:  They look for a scapegoat and for someone who will make sense and order out of chaos.  America today strongly resembles the German Weimar Republic in terms of immorality, corruption, a ruined economy, and a Fifth Column of leftists working from within to destroy the social fabric.  It's a short leap from being an abortion doctor to becoming a research doctor experimenting on live human prisoners of the state.  If you think that we are innately different in human nature than were the Germans who embraced Nazism you are wrong.

[Chai]

Again. There is such a thing as a poor research. .old. .done in a bad school. Biased. Bad Dr.etc etc didn't see anything good

 

N

actually the 19th century reaserches are the best beacuse they weren't contaminated by politically correct bias.

normal atheist  that was soo funny  your very ideas are biased .  go to your 18thcenturay dr ill go to my modern one

[muman613]

Regarding German scientists and Operation Paperclip:

It wasn't just science -- Prior to WWII, Germany was the most advanced country in the world, far ahead of everyone else in science, medicine, literature, philosophy, music, art, manufacturing, etc.  Germany was also the first country in the world to implement social security safety nets for its citizens, and Germans were considered the most cultured, the most advanced, the most highly educated, and the most civilized people on the planet.
After WWII, with the Americans and Soviets occupying a divided Nazi State and starting their own "Cold War", the race was on to make "deals" with those scientists who were leading Germany's war effort in physics, aerospace and military research, many of whom were "conscripted" into service and had no choice but to serve their homeland.  In real terms, these men were all seized and arrested by both Americans and Soviets, and then given the choice to a) either switch sides and work for their new captors in military and aerospace research, or never be seen again.  In the case of American prisoners, the additional blackmail of "being turned over to the Soviets to face war crimes charges" were used as incentives to make them cooperate.
In spite of the necessity to come out ahead of the competition, America's hands ended up covered in blood, as more than a few monsters were brought to America and given new lives with all the benefits of citizenship.
If there is a lesson to be learned out of all of this, it is that the most civilized and educated people on earth fell sway to mass psychosis and barbarism when their government became incapable of governing, their economy was destroyed by unjust war reparations and hyperinflation, and their national pride was humiliated on the world stage.  Rabbi Kahane was clear in his teaching that the German of the 1920's was more cultured, more educated, more hospitable, and less violent than we Americans are today, and yet when faced with literal starvation and hopelessness did what all human beings will do under the same circumstances:  They look for a scapegoat and for someone who will make sense and order out of chaos.  America today strongly resembles the German Weimar Republic in terms of immorality, corruption, a ruined economy, and a Fifth Column of leftists working from within to destroy the social fabric.  It's a short leap from being an abortion doctor to becoming a research doctor experimenting on live human prisoners of the state.  If you think that we are innately different in human nature than were the Germans who embraced Nazism you are wrong.

MassuhDGoodName,

You nailed it right on the head with this one... This is part of my point...

[Ben m]

I am saying, and there is ample evidence, that Nazi scientists were considered some of the most brilliant scientists of the era.

Now you're saying something different.  But by referring to German scientists as "nazi scientists," you conflate different issues.  Not all German scientists were Nazis.  In fact, some of the greatest German scientists of that era, who transformed the entire modern world, were Jews!

There is no disputing that the german scientists were and still are respected around the world as some of the best and brightest of scientists... 

Good so far

And these were scientists who may have been involved with using Jews in horrible experiments. 

  Now you've entered into unsubstantiated territory with this last bit.  You cannot document this with a citation or source because it is patently ridiculous!   The German scientists who are praised are the ones who did good science!   Horrific and sadistic experiments on humans for racial purposes is not considered "good science" by anyone except maybe neo-nazis.  No one holds dr. mengele in high esteem as a researcher.  He was moreso a horrificly cruel sadistic animal than a scientist by any rational account.  It is time you stop labeling the entire discipline of science as the boogeyman. 


Bringing a quote about operation paperclip says something about the CIA, not about "modern science."

KWRBT,

I am not making any statement about good science in my posts... I was simply trying to show, originally to NA who was attempting to use some scientific racial evidence..

"actually the 19th century reaserches are the best beacuse they weren't contaminated by politically correct bias."

I wanted to make clear that just because 'science' occured in the 19th and 20th centuries that it too may be biased for a variety of reasons. Most obvious was the use of 'science' by the Nazis to brand Jews as sub-humans and psuedo-genetics which proved Jews to be inferior..



 

Again. There is such a thing as a poor research. .old. .done in a bad school. Biased. Bad Dr.etc etc didn't see anything good

 

N

actually the 19th century reaserches are the best beacuse they weren't contaminated by politically correct bias.

what is your point? i am sure that if a great scientist today would claim that the arabs are sub human you wouldn't mind that.or pehaps you will go and dfened the arabs with dr. bernnan fan

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

I am saying, and there is ample evidence, that Nazi scientists were considered some of the most brilliant scientists of the era.

Now you're saying something different.  But by referring to German scientists as "nazi scientists," you conflate different issues.  Not all German scientists were Nazis.  In fact, some of the greatest German scientists of that era, who transformed the entire modern world, were Jews!

There is no disputing that the german scientists were and still are respected around the world as some of the best and brightest of scientists... 

Good so far

And these were scientists who may have been involved with using Jews in horrible experiments. 

  Now you've entered into unsubstantiated territory with this last bit.  You cannot document this with a citation or source because it is patently ridiculous!   The German scientists who are praised are the ones who did good science!   Horrific and sadistic experiments on humans for racial purposes is not considered "good science" by anyone except maybe neo-nazis.  No one holds dr. mengele in high esteem as a researcher.  He was moreso a horrificly cruel sadistic animal than a scientist by any rational account.  It is time you stop labeling the entire discipline of science as the boogeyman. 


Bringing a quote about operation paperclip says something about the CIA, not about "modern science."

KWRBT,

I am not making any statement about good science in my posts... I was simply trying to show, originally to NA who was attempting to use some scientific racial evidence..

"actually the 19th century reaserches are the best beacuse they weren't contaminated by politically correct bias."

I wanted to make clear that just because 'science' occured in the 19th and 20th centuries that it too may be biased for a variety of reasons. Most obvious was the use of 'science' by the Nazis to brand Jews as sub-humans and psuedo-genetics which proved Jews to be inferior..



 

Again. There is such a thing as a poor research. .old. .done in a bad school. Biased. Bad Dr.etc etc didn't see anything good

 

N

actually the 19th century reaserches are the best beacuse they weren't contaminated by politically correct bias.

Ok.  I'll agree with you there.  It's very foolhardy to assume that scientists in any era, but particularly in the 19th century as you note where there was a prevalence of racist theory amongst many intellectuals, are/were without bias.   The scientists themselves will always have a bias like anyone else does when it comes to whatever issues.   The scientific method is in place with oversight and peer review to ensure that the science they produce is not connected with these biases, transcends them, or at least even if they are there, they can be discerned based on the facts of the study and the conclusions drawn (depending on how weak or strong the conclusions being drawn by the researchers from their results are). 

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

what is your point? i am sure that if a great scientist today would claim that the arabs are sub human you wouldn't mind that.or pehaps you will go and dfened the arabs with dr. bernnan fan

Hmm.  What does this comment mean exactly?   

And you say "you wouldn't mind" "or perhaps you will go defend the Arabs"

That's like saying "you'll say yes, or you'll say no."  I'm not sure what point you are trying to make to Muman (or how it's relevant to the discussion).


Muman points out that indeed biases existed amongst scientists in the so-called "pure" era you refer to.  Are you suggesting that believing Jews are subhuman is not inherently incorrect (and therefore it is merely the product of a bias)?  Or are you saying something else?