Is God punishing Europe with Muslims?

[Serbian Canadian]

Most European people live very immoral, pagan way of life.And that's the case in USA and Canada, too.They do not invest in family life, but in dead matter.Europeans don't want to create families.Different forms of idolatry are present in the lives of these nations.Men lack independence, but they are corporate slaves, and more women must also serve and work as a corporate slaves,so there are very little space and possibilities to have a large ,strong and happy families.People are taught not to want children and family, but to please themselves and their immoral desires and bodily pleasures, because the educational system, economy and modern European(and global) culture is based on satanic theory of "evolution" and the theory of "big bang", so by that it is removed the knowledge of the absolute moral authority(the Creator) that would be a reference for everything in their lifes.

Muslims do not live this kind of way of life.I know that Muslims are not welcomed or especially appreciated here, but let us be honest and say that many Muslims live much more moral way of life than Europeans.Muslims do invest in family and children.They learn that people are the greatest value and joy in their life(which is true), and Europeans ,as well as Americans, learn that the greatest values are expensive cars,houses and other dead things.Various forms of drugs, prostitution and all the destructive things govern the European and American societies.And look how Muslims deal with it.They eliminate such things in their societies with death penalty and Europeans are mocking to it and they are "shocked" ,but in the same time they are not shocked when they have vastly spread prostitution and drugs in their societies and then they ask themselves how is it possible that they are disappearing.

When Europeans start to invest in family, to ban all forms of prostitution and drugs,then they won't have problems with the existence.Spiritually sick nation cannot prevail. Europeans are spiritually very sick.Europeans are spiritually dead people.They are depressed, they do not know why they live,what for,why they are here.etc. Europeans use many kind of drugs,and it's not only narcotics. Drug is also pornography, prostitution, alcoholism, smoking and unhealthy food and all forms of bad things that cause the spiritual destruction which later reflects to biological extinction.
European nations are going through a biological extinction.But it is not the most dangerous.Much more dangerous is the spiritual genocide that is happening in Europe because Europeans are used to live in their materialism, idolatry, selfishness, harlotry and corporate slavery which leads to - no families and no kids,aka biological extinction.

So,in my opinion there is no room to blame on Muslims for European nations' disappearance.Muslims are not the cause of those things which I would name as "disinterest for free and healthy way of living".

PS
Just to add...
I do not think that G-d is punishing Europeans with Muslims.G-d let every man to reflect his own will,and Europeans' will is resulting with the extinction.That's simple.
When G-d starts to punish than it's happening like in Indonesia or Haiti.Volcano in Iceland is just a small warning.

Excellent post Kerber.

[muman613]

Muslims do not live this kind of way of life.I know that Muslims are not welcomed or especially appreciated here, but let us be honest and say that many Muslims live much more moral way of life than Europeans.Muslims do invest in family and children.They learn that people are the greatest value and joy in their life(which is true), and Europeans ,as well as Americans, learn that the greatest values are expensive cars,houses and other dead things.Various forms of drugs, prostitution and all the destructive things govern the European and American societies.And look how Muslims deal with it.

Wow what a great post my friend! I admire you knowledge my brother. You sound like a bischop! It is true Muslims are indeed investing in  family and children. The Muslims respect their religion! Serbs and Jews are becoming atheists! You have many pro-secular Serbs and Jews today! But Muslims are indeed more religious!

Serbs and Jews are also hardcore self haters! I am sorry, but it is true!
You have more self haters amongst Serbs and Jews than amongst Muslims!

I dont know about that... There are many billions of muslims who are not observant... I think that the righteous Jews are more dedicated to the will of G-d than any Muslim is.

There is nothing good about Muslims and Islam... I dont respect their 'righteousness' because it is actually a form of death. The only true belief is the belief in the One G-d of Israel. Do not worship false idols...

[Novakovic]

The only true belief is the belief in the One G-d of Israel. Do not worship false idols...

I beg your pardon if I say perhaps something strange, but I though that Jews claim that Muslims and Jews worship the same G-d? You guys both describe G-d in the same way? Jews do not say that G-d is the trinity, but just one peron. Well the Muslims claim the same..? Is that accurate?

[muman613]

The only true belief is the belief in the One G-d of Israel. Do not worship false idols...

I beg your pardon if I say perhaps something strange, but I though that Jews claim that Muslims and Jews worship the same G-d? You guys both describe G-d in the same way? Jews do not say that G-d is the trinity, but just one peron. Well the Muslims claim the same..? Is that accurate?

Yes, we have discussed this here in the forum before. According to their belief it is the same G-d but according to my understanding of Torah, Hashem doesn't require us to kill the non-believer, nor does he require us to lie to others in order to succeed. So much of the Koran stands in stark contrast to the Torah that I find Islam to be a convoluted violent dream of its so-called prophet mohamud.

There is some evidence that Allah may have been the moon G-d that the arab pagans worshipped...

Also we do not, heaven forbid, believe that Hashem/G-d is a person... That is a major violation of our faith. Hashem has no body no space and no time which can describe him, 'he' is infinite and without limitation. We only call him 'he' because the male pronoun indicates that he is a beneficient creator who bestows kindness {a giver}...

[Kerber]

The only true belief is the belief in the One G-d of Israel. Do not worship false idols...

I beg your pardon if I say perhaps something strange, but I though that Jews claim that Muslims and Jews worship the same G-d? You guys both describe G-d in the same way? Jews do not say that G-d is the trinity, but just one peron. Well the Muslims claim the same..? Is that accurate?

Yes, we have discussed this here in the forum before. According to their belief it is the same G-d but according to my understanding of Torah, Hashem doesn't require us to kill the non-believer, nor does he require us to lie to others in order to succeed. So much of the Koran stands in stark contrast to the Torah that I find Islam to be a convoluted violent dream of its so-called prophet mohamud.

I can't agree that it is the "same G-d".
Here's why...

The main difference is in the knowledge about real G-d.And it is not the same in the Bible(especially in the Torah) and in the Qur'an.Descriptions of G-d are different and as the result the knowledge is different,and the knowledge is most important ,because according to knowledge man will coordinate its behavior.

Many things are copied in the Qur'an from the Bible ,and it is just like a bottle of fresh and clean water with just a few drops of poison.That's how the enemy of man works - to twist the things around that are life supporting in the way of its own destructive goals.
But still the Qur'an has many good things(copied from the Bible) that can make a man better than to live like today's modern "Christians"/Europeans.If modern Europeans would live by the instructions given by the God,they wouldn't have any problems with their own existence.

[Hyades]

I say no. The Europeans are punishing themselves with letting them in. This is pure self-hatred and masochism. I think that has nothing to do with G-d, otherwise He would be punishing the whole world. In almost every country of Western civilaization Islam is growing: USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand - so what are Canada, Australia or NZ punished for?