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OMG!!! WikiPedia is a source of Child Porn & Pedophilia
« on: April 28, 2010, 01:05:13 AM »
This is shocking yet another reminder of the sick age we live in today:

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/04/27/wikipedia-child-porn-larry-sanger-fbi/?test=latestnews

Wikipedia Distributing Child Porn, Co-Founder Tells FBI

The parent company of Wikipedia is knowingly distributing child pornography, the co-founder of the online encyclopedia says, and he's imploring the FBI to investigate.

The parent company of Wikipedia is knowingly distributing child pornography, the co-founder of the online encyclopedia says, and he's imploring the FBI to investigate.

 Larry Sanger, who left Wikipedia in 2002, said Wikimedia Commons, the parent company of Wiki products including Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikinews and Wikiquote, is rife with renderings of children performing sexual acts.

Sanger sent a letter to the FBI earlier this month outlining his concerns and identifying two specific Wikimedia Commons categories he believes violate federal obscenity law.

The first category, entitled “Pedophilia,” contains 25-30 explicit and detailed drawings of children performing sexual acts.  The category was created three years ago.

The second, “Lolicon,” provides cartoons similar in detail and depiction. One of the more egregious cartoons shows a rendering of a young child about to perform oral sex on a much older man.

“I wasn’t shocked that it was online, but I was shocked that it was on a Wikimedia Foundation site that purports to be a reference site,” said Sanger, who is now involved in educational projects like Citizendium.org and WatchKnow.org, non-profit directories of videos for students grades pre-K to 12.  (Wikimedia Commons is owned and hosted by the California-based Wikimedia Foundation.)

“I think a lot of teachers and education technologists responsible for the filters at public schools don’t realize how much and what level of pornography there is in the system. I’m quite sure that if they knew there were pages devoted to pedophilia, it might make them think twice about giving students unrestricted access in schools.”

Wikimedia’s general counsel did not respond to a request for comment. An e-mail sent to the foundatino's press contact was not returned.

After numerous phone calls and e-mails with an FBI spokeswoman over the span of three days —and despite multiple requests by the FBI for more time, including a weekend, to reply to a request for comment — the bureau on Monday refused to say whether it is investigating Wikimedia or following up on Sanger’s allegations.

Sanger says he began looking for explicit content after realizing during a mailing list discussion with other educators that most of them had no idea that Wikimedia had content that might be deemed inappropriate for students.

When Sanger’s research led him to graphic imagines of children, he looked up the law and realized that under the obscenity statute he’d homed in on, a person who sees obscene renderings of child abuse and does not report them to authorities is as culpable as the person who actually distributes the obscene content.

“I read, “You must report this to the FBI or else you are prosecutable under the same statute,” Sanger recalled.  “And then I thought, 'Oh my.'”

That’s when he began composing his letter to the FBI.

He says burning bridges within the industry was not an easy thing to do, but he really didn't have a choice. 

“I’m going to sound really old fashioned, but I felt that it was my duty. I really did,” he said.

“Wikimedia has quite a bit of pornography on it and they had no idea.”

But the threat is even greater than the images themselves, says James Marsh, an attorney who wrote about Sanger’s letter to the FBI on his Child Law Blog.

“Wikipedia’s continued interest in child sexual exploitation is troubling not only because the site hosts some questionable images, but because it can easily serve as a gateway to other sites containing child pornography," Marsh told FoxNews.com.

"One simple link buried in the text of an article on Japanese anime or child pornography could easily take an unsuspecting child or adult user to a place which is not only disturbing, but illegal.”

In addition to mentioning the two categories of possibly illegal content, Sanger also named the controversial high-level Wikipedia manager Erik Moeller, who Sanger said “is well known for his views in defense of pedophilia.”

 “What is my position on pedophilia, then? It’s really simple. If the child doesn’t want it, is neutral or ambiguous, it’s inappropriate,” Moeller wrote in 2001 in a post on Kuro5hin.org that he titled, “Pleasure, Affection, Cause and Effect”. These writings were drudged up by Valleywag in May 2008.

"The real issue for Wikipedia and sites like it is who is monitoring the content? Who is accountable? And who exactly is responsible? Anonymous editors and contributors and a complete lack of transparency presents a real risk of uncensored content being distributed worldwide. "

 On his blog, he pointed out some of Moeller’s additions to Wikipedia articles:

To Wikipedia’s “Human Sexual Behavior” article, Moeller added:

"It is generally acknowledged that children are capable of feeling sexual pleasure, even if they are not yet able to engage in sexual intercourse with each other, and/or are not yet biologically able to reproduce."

To “Homosexuality and Morality,” he added:

“A small minority believes that children are capable of consenting to homosexual acts with older men, but all major pro-homosexual groups have rejected that view.”

Moeller, who did not reply to requests for comment, wrote into the “Pedophilia” entry:

"Again, someone who sexually abuses a minor is not necessarily a pedophile ('exclusively' 'attracted' to 'preadolescents' — emphasis on every word), but may simply be acting out of opportunity. The title 'pedophiles and pederasts' is redundant — pedophilia includes pederasty. This does not in any way mitigate the definitional problems of this article."

“I don’t think Wikimedia should be censored," Sanger said. "If they have decided to include pornography, then that ought to be their legal right. But I think the public ought to know that there’s a lot of that there.”

Sanger said he wants Wikimedia projects including Wikipedia to start using a consistent tagging system to mark all of its adult content and make it easy for filters to remove such content. 

But Marsh thinks things are more serious than Sanger suggests.

“As Wikipedia becomes an authoritative source in law, politics and news, it makes a great target and medium for people with all kinds of questionable agendas,” he said.

“Wikipedia is like the Wizard of Oz. You never know exactly who is standing behind that green curtain. And that’s the real risk here.”
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Re: OMG!!! WikiPedia is a source of Child Porn & Pedophilia
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2010, 01:23:52 PM »
I'm glad that the FBI was alerted to this problem and I hope they can stamp it out. I used Wikipedia a lot when I was in college to help me research subjects that I was writing my papers on.

While I couldn't use wikipedia itself as a source, I was often able to use the sources that wikipedia cited to make their article with, such as Web sites or books or articles that were used as sources.

I think it's scary that you could click a link in the cited section of a wikipedia article and end up viewing illegal content without realizing what you are clicking on beforehand!

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Re: OMG!!! WikiPedia is a source of Child Porn & Pedophilia
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2010, 05:47:54 PM »
Im sure its all over the place in Islamopedia

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Re: OMG!!! WikiPedia is a source of Child Porn & Pedophilia
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2010, 06:03:44 PM »
This has been well known for a while, wikipedia is user distributed content and even accidently viewing child pornography is enough to land you on a sex offender registry as it constitutes possession and up to 10 years in prison on federal or state charges. I know of people that it's happened to.

Few people bother reporting it, they close it if they stumble across it and usually toss their harddrive in acid (can you blame them?), usually reporting it the FBI will also confiscate your computer, we had to report a client a number of years ago whos server was used to distribute bad material and the server was confiscated, I don't think the client was aware his server was being used for that purpose and I don't know if he was ever charged.

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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2010, 06:38:23 PM »
"Wickedpedia" should be the ones who are held responsible for hosting that sort of content. How in the world is some person doing a search going to know they are opening up illegal content while searching on a well known site like that. More to the point the FBI has the ability to search for plenty of things when they get the mind to. Its funny how things like this can be hosted and it only becomes a problem when some poor schmuck the FBI has a thing for opens it. There just seems to be more and more minefields like this every day where unknowing people find themselves in trouble.
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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2010, 07:11:50 PM »
"Wickedpedia" should be the ones who are held responsible for hosting that sort of content. How in the world is some person doing a search going to know they are opening up illegal content while searching on a well known site like that. More to the point the FBI has the ability to search for plenty of things when they get the mind to. Its funny how things like this can be hosted and it only becomes a problem when some poor schmuck the FBI has a thing for opens it. There just seems to be more and more minefields like this every day where unknowing people find themselves in trouble.

The FBI is not as technologically advanced as some may believe, and even the FBI will admit stopping child pornography is becoming increasingly difficult due to advanced encryption algorithyms that they are unable to break (AES 256 bit, research truecrypt court cases). The existence of darknets and VPN's/Proxies. Wikipedia can't really be held responsible although the content is located on their servers same as youtube cannot be responsible if someone uploads porn because it is user contributed, usually large sites like that hand over IP address logs to FBI and they start investigating the IP address involved, unfortunately it's probably some poor grandmother or a guy that checks his email once a month whos computer has been hijacked for use of uploading illegal materials and probably will be incriminated.

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Re: OMG!!! WikiPedia is a source of Child Porn & Pedophilia
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2010, 08:25:30 PM »
"Wickedpedia" should be the ones who are held responsible for hosting that sort of content. How in the world is some person doing a search going to know they are opening up illegal content while searching on a well known site like that. More to the point the FBI has the ability to search for plenty of things when they get the mind to. Its funny how things like this can be hosted and it only becomes a problem when some poor schmuck the FBI has a thing for opens it. There just seems to be more and more minefields like this every day where unknowing people find themselves in trouble.

The FBI is not as technologically advanced as some may believe, and even the FBI will admit stopping child pornography is becoming increasingly difficult due to advanced encryption algorithyms that they are unable to break (AES 256 bit, research truecrypt court cases). The existence of darknets and VPN's/Proxies. Wikipedia can't really be held responsible although the content is located on their servers same as youtube cannot be responsible if someone uploads porn because it is user contributed, usually large sites like that hand over IP address logs to FBI and they start investigating the IP address involved, unfortunately it's probably some poor grandmother or a guy that checks his email once a month whos computer has been hijacked for use of uploading illegal materials and probably will be incriminated.

Why is encryption significant with Wikipedia or Youtube?  If someone uploaded Kiddie porn onto Youtube or Wikipedia, wouldnt it all be unencrypted?  Why does the FBI have to be technologicly savy to know that its there?  Don't Youtube and Wikipedia use their own servers?  Isnt all outside content linked to?

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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2010, 08:50:07 PM »
"Wickedpedia" should be the ones who are held responsible for hosting that sort of content. How in the world is some person doing a search going to know they are opening up illegal content while searching on a well known site like that. More to the point the FBI has the ability to search for plenty of things when they get the mind to. Its funny how things like this can be hosted and it only becomes a problem when some poor schmuck the FBI has a thing for opens it. There just seems to be more and more minefields like this every day where unknowing people find themselves in trouble.

The FBI is not as technologically advanced as some may believe, and even the FBI will admit stopping child pornography is becoming increasingly difficult due to advanced encryption algorithyms that they are unable to break (AES 256 bit, research truecrypt court cases). The existence of darknets and VPN's/Proxies. Wikipedia can't really be held responsible although the content is located on their servers same as youtube cannot be responsible if someone uploads porn because it is user contributed, usually large sites like that hand over IP address logs to FBI and they start investigating the IP address involved, unfortunately it's probably some poor grandmother or a guy that checks his email once a month whos computer has been hijacked for use of uploading illegal materials and probably will be incriminated.

Why is encryption significant with Wikipedia or Youtube?  If someone uploaded Kiddie porn onto Youtube or Wikipedia, wouldnt it all be unencrypted?  Why does the FBI have to be technologicly savy to know that its there?  Don't Youtube and Wikipedia use their own servers?  Isnt all outside content linked to?


yes and no, wikipedia didn't upload the content, a user did and they are likely behind some sort of VPN or a hijacked server/users computer. Wikipedia would have to cooperate with law enforcement and provide logs and anyone who viewed the images would likely be in danger of criminal prosecution. It has and will happen.

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« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2010, 12:00:56 PM »
"Wickedpedia" should be the ones who are held responsible for hosting that sort of content. How in the world is some person doing a search going to know they are opening up illegal content while searching on a well known site like that. More to the point the FBI has the ability to search for plenty of things when they get the mind to. Its funny how things like this can be hosted and it only becomes a problem when some poor schmuck the FBI has a thing for opens it. There just seems to be more and more minefields like this every day where unknowing people find themselves in trouble.

The FBI is not as technologically advanced as some may believe, and even the FBI will admit stopping child pornography is becoming increasingly difficult due to advanced encryption algorithyms that they are unable to break (AES 256 bit, research truecrypt court cases). The existence of darknets and VPN's/Proxies. Wikipedia can't really be held responsible although the content is located on their servers same as youtube cannot be responsible if someone uploads porn because it is user contributed, usually large sites like that hand over IP address logs to FBI and they start investigating the IP address involved, unfortunately it's probably some poor grandmother or a guy that checks his email once a month whos computer has been hijacked for use of uploading illegal materials and probably will be incriminated.

Why is encryption significant with Wikipedia or Youtube?  If someone uploaded Kiddie porn onto Youtube or Wikipedia, wouldnt it all be unencrypted?  Why does the FBI have to be technologicly savy to know that its there?  Don't Youtube and Wikipedia use their own servers?  Isnt all outside content linked to?


yes and no, wikipedia didn't upload the content, a user did and they are likely behind some sort of VPN or a hijacked server/users computer. Wikipedia would have to cooperate with law enforcement and provide logs and anyone who viewed the images would likely be in danger of criminal prosecution. It has and will happen.

Yes, I know how easy it is to mask your true location/identity, people do that all the time.  but I just think that Wikipedia has to be responsible for their content, and not claim that they have no control over it.  If kiddie porn pictures are prevalent, they have to start having better screening of their multi-media that is uploaded.  That doesn't mean they will get all of it, but they can stop the majority of it.

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Re: OMG!!! WikiPedia is a source of Child Porn & Pedophilia
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2010, 07:31:06 PM »
"Wickedpedia" should be the ones who are held responsible for hosting that sort of content. How in the world is some person doing a search going to know they are opening up illegal content while searching on a well known site like that. More to the point the FBI has the ability to search for plenty of things when they get the mind to. Its funny how things like this can be hosted and it only becomes a problem when some poor schmuck the FBI has a thing for opens it. There just seems to be more and more minefields like this every day where unknowing people find themselves in trouble.

The FBI is not as technologically advanced as some may believe, and even the FBI will admit stopping child pornography is becoming increasingly difficult due to advanced encryption algorithyms that they are unable to break (AES 256 bit, research truecrypt court cases). The existence of darknets and VPN's/Proxies. Wikipedia can't really be held responsible although the content is located on their servers same as youtube cannot be responsible if someone uploads porn because it is user contributed, usually large sites like that hand over IP address logs to FBI and they start investigating the IP address involved, unfortunately it's probably some poor grandmother or a guy that checks his email once a month whos computer has been hijacked for use of uploading illegal materials and probably will be incriminated.

Why is encryption significant with Wikipedia or Youtube?  If someone uploaded Kiddie porn onto Youtube or Wikipedia, wouldnt it all be unencrypted?  Why does the FBI have to be technologicly savy to know that its there?  Don't Youtube and Wikipedia use their own servers?  Isnt all outside content linked to?


yes and no, wikipedia didn't upload the content, a user did and they are likely behind some sort of VPN or a hijacked server/users computer. Wikipedia would have to cooperate with law enforcement and provide logs and anyone who viewed the images would likely be in danger of criminal prosecution. It has and will happen.

Yes, I know how easy it is to mask your true location/identity, people do that all the time.  but I just think that Wikipedia has to be responsible for their content, and not claim that they have no control over it.  If kiddie porn pictures are prevalent, they have to start having better screening of their multi-media that is uploaded.  That doesn't mean they will get all of it, but they can stop the majority of it.

Very true and exactly my point. The bottom line is that the illegal content is on their system and being opened unknowingly by someone doing a search. However they need to accomplish it "Wickedpedia"  should the ones that need to keep their system free of that sort of thing.
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