Israel to erect monument to Red Army WWII victory

[amit85]

You name it. Some Red Army wings finished SS work in several villages and cities in Western Russia, shooting Jews and massacres to local populations.

Source?

One should not forget that Hitler and Stalin were similar characters with different views and similar goals. Both were anti-semitic. But Stalin was not as cruelly organized as the Nazis. If he had been as organized, there wouldn't be anymore Jews in Eastern Europe.

There is no reason to call Stalin antisemite. He killed Jews but he killed peoples from other nations as well. In fact Muslim peoples of USSR were those who suffered the most from Stalin: Crimean Tatars, Chechens, Karachays, Meskhetian Turks.. Nearly third of them were killed during the deportation.

Stalin supported creation of Israel and allowed weapon sales through Chzechoslovakia.

[amit85]

Stalin would have eliminated the European Jewry even faster than Hitler tried to do.

Why he did not eliminate them during 30 years of his reign then? Just one order and all Soviet Jews would be killed.

beacuse he wanted to concentrate them first in a mass extermination camp-biroubidzan.

He could do that in one month, Why he was waiting for 30 years?

[Ben m]

Stalin would have eliminated the European Jewry even faster than Hitler tried to do.

Why he did not eliminate them during 30 years of his reign then? Just one order and all Soviet Jews would be killed.

beacuse he wanted to concentrate them first in a mass extermination camp-biroubidzan.

He could do that in one month, Why he was waiting for 30 years?

beacuse of personnal illness.wow all the guys that supporting stalin are amazing in their ignorance.

[Hyades]

You name it. Some Red Army wings finished SS work in several villages and cities in Western Russia, shooting Jews and massacres to local populations.

Source?

One should not forget that Hitler and Stalin were similar characters with different views and similar goals. Both were anti-semitic. But Stalin was not as cruelly organized as the Nazis. If he had been as organized, there wouldn't be anymore Jews in Eastern Europe.

There is no reason to call Stalin antisemite. He killed Jews but he killed peoples from other nations as well. In fact Muslim peoples of USSR were those who suffered the most from Stalin: Crimean Tatars, Chechens, Karachays, Meskhetian Turks.. Nearly third of them were killed during the deportation.

Stalin supported creation of Israel and allowed weapon sales through Chzechoslovakia.

Sadly I have to tell you that there are reliable sources: Simple history book, for example:

During the years 1939-41, nearly 1.5 million inhabitants of the Soviet-controlled areas of former eastern Poland were deported, of whom 63.1% were Poles or other nationalities and 7.4% were Jews. Only a small number of these deportees survived the war.[27]  According to American professor Carroll Quigley, at least one third of the 320,000 Polish prisoners of war captured by the Red Army in 1939 were murdered.
Yes, Russians deported Jews after getting them out of the concentration camps!  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes

[Novakovic]

Amit85 what you claim about Stalin are facts, but those facts can not be used to justify the crimers against the Russians. Stalin murdered many Orthodox  Russians and that makes him an evil man!

[Ben m]

Amit85 what you claim about Stalin are facts, but those facts can not be used to justify the crimers against the Russians. Stalin murdered many Orthodox  Russians and that makes him an evil man!

why are you answering.he is probably a commie troll

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Stalin supported creation of Israel and allowed weapon sales through Chzechoslovakia.

What you are saying is misleading.  The soviet communist apparatus was strongly opposed to zionism and saw it as a dissident movement which is why Menachem Begin was in a forced labor camp along with other Jews (he refers to it as a concentration camp several times in the English translation of his book although I'm still not 100% clear about his use of that terminology there - not to say that it wasn't severe conditions, it certainly was).  The Soviets considered Jews to be colonialist agents of the British working together actively against soviet interests in the middle east (and while in Russia also working against soviet interests).  They doubted the intentions of zionism, what was written about it, what people said, etc.  They had a conspiracy theory and stuck to it - apparently drawn from protocols of elders of zion.   No matter what "national aspirations" are claimed, the Jews are only pretending, and they are secretly out to destroy the Soviet union and prevent its influence in the middle east region.   (This reminds me of the strikingly similar sentiments Hitler yimach shemo expressed about zionism quoted in this thread!) 

The change in policy of the Soviet Union and their vote in favor of the UN partition plan was shortlived.  We all know that shortly after Israel's independence, the Soviet Union came to arm our enemies who were openly proclaiming they had intention to invade and destroy us.   This was due to many factors involved, but the Jewish underground's violence against the British was one of them (they began to see past their conspiracy theory w/ regards to the british when they realized that the Jews might actually succeed in what they were doing - if so the Soviets wanted to capitalize), and I'm sure bribery and other political machinations were involved.   But the main interest was always soviet union #1 and I can't see how a brief period of moral support and arms deals with a particular soviet republic with a prozionist leadership makes stalin into a hero.

[amit85]

You name it. Some Red Army wings finished SS work in several villages and cities in Western Russia, shooting Jews and massacres to local populations.

Source?

One should not forget that Hitler and Stalin were similar characters with different views and similar goals. Both were anti-semitic. But Stalin was not as cruelly organized as the Nazis. If he had been as organized, there wouldn't be anymore Jews in Eastern Europe.

There is no reason to call Stalin antisemite. He killed Jews but he killed peoples from other nations as well. In fact Muslim peoples of USSR were those who suffered the most from Stalin: Crimean Tatars, Chechens, Karachays, Meskhetian Turks.. Nearly third of them were killed during the deportation.

Stalin supported creation of Israel and allowed weapon sales through Chzechoslovakia.

Sadly I have to tell you that there are reliable sources: Simple history book, for example:

During the years 1939-41, nearly 1.5 million inhabitants of the Soviet-controlled areas of former eastern Poland were deported, of whom 63.1% were Poles or other nationalities and 7.4% were Jews. Only a small number of these deportees survived the war.[27]  According to American professor Carroll Quigley, at least one third of the 320,000 Polish prisoners of war captured by the Red Army in 1939 were murdered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes

1) You claimed that Soviets finished job of SS massacring Jews in villages and towns. You could not find any support for this claim.
2) Its true that after conquering East Poland in 1939 Stalin deported million poles and 100 thousand Jews to Sibiria. Ironically those Jews mostly survived. While Jews that were not deported and remained in East Poland were captured in 1941 by Germans and slaughtered.

Yes, Russians deported Jews after getting them out of the concentration camps!  

Those deported were not from concentration camps.

[amit85]

Stalin supported creation of Israel and allowed weapon sales through Chzechoslovakia.

What you are saying is misleading.  The soviet communist apparatus was strongly opposed to zionism and saw it as a dissident movement which is why Menachem Begin was in a forced labor camp along with other Jews (he refers to it as a concentration camp several times in the English translation of his book although I'm still not 100% clear about his use of that terminology there - not to say that it wasn't severe conditions, it certainly was).  The Soviets considered Jews to be colonialist agents of the British working together actively against soviet interests in the middle east (and while in Russia also working against soviet interests).  They doubted the intentions of zionism, what was written about it, what people said, etc.  They had a conspiracy theory and stuck to it - apparently drawn from protocols of elders of zion.   No matter what "national aspirations" are claimed, the Jews are only pretending, and they are secretly out to destroy the Soviet union and prevent its influence in the middle east region.   (This reminds me of the strikingly similar sentiments Hitler yimach shemo expressed about zionism quoted in this thread!) 

If Begin was captured by Nazis he would be killed.

The change in policy of the Soviet Union and their vote in favor of the UN partition plan was shortlived.  We all know that shortly after Israel's independence, the Soviet Union came to arm our enemies who were openly proclaiming they had intention to invade and destroy us.

Soviet Union supplied weapons to Israel through Czechoslovakia, while USA embargoed. Thanks to rifles and machine guns from Czechoslovakia Israel could launch Nahshon operation in april 1948, expelling hundreds of thousands of Arabs. Most of the Israel air force was from Czechoslovakia.

Massive supplies of Soviet weapons to Arabs started only in 1955, after Stalin's death.

[Hyades]

You name it. Some Red Army wings finished SS work in several villages and cities in Western Russia, shooting Jews and massacres to local populations.

Source?

One should not forget that Hitler and Stalin were similar characters with different views and similar goals. Both were anti-semitic. But Stalin was not as cruelly organized as the Nazis. If he had been as organized, there wouldn't be anymore Jews in Eastern Europe.

There is no reason to call Stalin antisemite. He killed Jews but he killed peoples from other nations as well. In fact Muslim peoples of USSR were those who suffered the most from Stalin: Crimean Tatars, Chechens, Karachays, Meskhetian Turks.. Nearly third of them were killed during the deportation.

Stalin supported creation of Israel and allowed weapon sales through Chzechoslovakia.

Sadly I have to tell you that there are reliable sources: Simple history book, for example:

During the years 1939-41, nearly 1.5 million inhabitants of the Soviet-controlled areas of former eastern Poland were deported, of whom 63.1% were Poles or other nationalities and 7.4% were Jews. Only a small number of these deportees survived the war.[27]  According to American professor Carroll Quigley, at least one third of the 320,000 Polish prisoners of war captured by the Red Army in 1939 were murdered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes

1) You claimed that Soviets finished job of SS massacring Jews in villages and towns. You could not find any support for this claim.
2) Its true that after conquering East Poland in 1939 Stalin deported million poles and 100 thousand Jews to Sibiria. Ironically those Jews mostly survived. While Jews that were not deported and remained in East Poland were captured in 1941 by Germans and slaughtered.

Yes, Russians deported Jews after getting them out of the concentration camps!  

Those deported were not from concentration camps.

Not these mentioned above. But there is suspicions that Russians deported Jews from CCs in POoland and elsewhere since many of them did not appear after the camps were liberated... What would you guess where they have gone? Just disappeared?
I have seen a report in Brazil about WWII and people who live in São Paulo (it was a special for the 450th anniversary of the city) they interviewed many people who fled to São Paulo after WWII and they said they did as if they were dead in order to not get shot by the Russians after they escaped the SS troops. Why should they lie?

[syyuge]

Beria was personal choice of Stalin. But under the pressure of anti-Semitic EuroCommunist lobby Stalin could never properly promote Beria. Against all odds Beria tried his best to support the efforts for Israel but after Stalin he got isolated and obliterated by anti-Semitic EuroCommunist revisionist lobby.   

Beria was originally a Georgian orthodox like Stalin. So it is very difficult to understand that why he supported the Jews. The role of Beria has always remained in the dark clouds and only assumptions about him have been running in the market. He was to follow the fate of Trotsky, Kamenev, Jinovyev and many others.

[White Israelite]

But yet we're putting up monuments to the people that arm our enemies and caused many more of us to perish, i'm still trying to figure out that logic.

Do you consider Russia as your enemy?

Of course I consider Russia my enemy, they have always been anti-jewish be it the Tsarists, the communists or what is happening today. The Russians are brutal and unforgiving, I truly believe they are a nation of sociopaths. They will sell to anyone including their own enemies if it means a few more rubels in their pocket.

They killed many people when they went through eastern europe and much of my family that stayed behind in Romania went through hell under Nicolae Ceausescu.

[White Israelite]

Stalin would have eliminated the European Jewry even faster than Hitler tried to do.

Why he did not eliminate them during 30 years of his reign then? Just one order and all Soviet Jews would be killed.

Don't fool yourself, the Soviet Union had just as much of a racialist policy as Nazi Germany, the concept by Karl Marx was to "erase" the concept of race and religion by assimilating all people under one system but yet the Soviet Union specifically separated people into "homelands" based on their ethnic background, Tartars were sent to certain regions, the Turkic to another, Jews were supposed to be deported to the east in Siberia, and white Russians in their own area. The reason you don't know about massacre of Jews in the Soviet Union is because unlike Nazi Germany who got caught with their pants down and a lot of documentation was confiscated, the Soviet Union slowly erased and absolved it's self from it's past crimes by destroying evidence of it's past.

[White Israelite]

You name it. Some Red Army wings finished SS work in several villages and cities in Western Russia, shooting Jews and massacres to local populations.

Source?

One should not forget that Hitler and Stalin were similar characters with different views and similar goals. Both were anti-semitic. But Stalin was not as cruelly organized as the Nazis. If he had been as organized, there wouldn't be anymore Jews in Eastern Europe.

There is no reason to call Stalin antisemite. He killed Jews but he killed peoples from other nations as well. In fact Muslim peoples of USSR were those who suffered the most from Stalin: Crimean Tatars, Chechens, Karachays, Meskhetian Turks.. Nearly third of them were killed during the deportation.

Stalin supported creation of Israel and allowed weapon sales through Chzechoslovakia.

Maybe you would fit in better on revolutionary left or the antifa forums, we're not communists here.

[Novakovic]

Of course I consider Russia my enemy, they have always been anti-jewish be it the Tsarists, the communists or what is happening today. The Russians are brutal and unforgiving, I truly believe they are a nation of sociopaths. They will sell to anyone including their own enemies if it means a few more rubels in their pocket.

Sociopath? It sounds extremely xenophobic, but it is your opinion.
You do not like Tsarist Russia, communist Russia and today's democratic Russia.
You just do not like Russia regardless of it's political direction?

I personally think that your conclusions on Russia are based on emotions.
If some Russian individuals were bad, then you can not say that all Russians are like that. In every nation you have exceptions. I understand your emotions but it is unrealistic to mark all Russians as bad people. It is just not true. You have many good people in Russia. Comparing Russia to Nazi countries is very, very odd.
Russia contributed a lot to the defeat of Nazism, but still I see that you hate Russia more than Germany or other ex-fascist countries. 

It is a fact that the Russians contributed much against Nazism during WW2!
After WW2, communist Russia recognized the state of Israel.
Russia was actually one of the first countries which recognized Israel. Most Israeli citizens of today are actually Russian Jews who arrived to Israel from the USSR after WW2. The majority of today's Israelis arrived from Russia to Israel. Those people still have Russian citizenships. Putin declared that Russia will intervene if Russia's citizens are under attack anywhere in the world. So if somebody attacks Israel, Russia must intervene to protect the Israeli citizens who are citizens of Russia. I think that you are a little bit exaggerating about Russia.

You will now say to me that Russia is arming Muslims? America sold more weapons to Jihadists than any other nation of the world. You see, Russia is not the problem. Americans trained radical Muslims and supplied them with weapons.
The US also created two Islamic states in Europe. Russia is far less dangerous for Israel than America.

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

As a Russian descent Jew I wish only Fire and destruction to RuSSia.

[Spiraling Leopard]

Who cares about maniac Adolf Shitler! I think that the European Union is directed by people whose political ideol Adolf Shitler is!

no,actually the leaders of the european union are weird kind of neo stalinists sickos.i don't think that with this trent the eu has any future.

In your signature it says the european union is your allie.

This doesn't make sense...

[Ben m]

Who cares about maniac Adolf Shitler! I think that the European Union is directed by people whose political ideol Adolf Shitler is!

no,actually the leaders of the european union are weird kind of neo stalinists sickos.i don't think that with this trent the eu has any future.

In your signature it says the european union is your allie.

This doesn't make sense...

i wtorte the eu as my ally to save me the space of writing the individual members.we should create a pan western state instead of the eu.

[White Israelite]

Of course I consider Russia my enemy, they have always been anti-jewish be it the Tsarists, the communists or what is happening today. The Russians are brutal and unforgiving, I truly believe they are a nation of sociopaths. They will sell to anyone including their own enemies if it means a few more rubels in their pocket.

Sociopath? It sounds extremely xenophobic, but it is your opinion.
You do not like Tsarist Russia, communist Russia and today's democratic Russia.
You just do not like Russia regardless of it's political direction?

I personally think that your conclusions on Russia are based on emotions.
If some Russian individuals were bad, then you can not say that all Russians are like that. In every nation you have exceptions. I understand your emotions but it is unrealistic to mark all Russians as bad people. It is just not true. You have many good people in Russia. Comparing Russia to Nazi countries is very, very odd.
Russia contributed a lot to the defeat of Nazism, but still I see that you hate Russia more than Germany or other ex-fascist countries. 

It is a fact that the Russians contributed much against Nazism during WW2!
After WW2, communist Russia recognized the state of Israel.
Russia was actually one of the first countries which recognized Israel. Most Israeli citizens of today are actually Russian Jews who arrived to Israel from the USSR after WW2. The majority of today's Israelis arrived from Russia to Israel. Those people still have Russian citizenships. Putin declared that Russia will intervene if Russia's citizens are under attack anywhere in the world. So if somebody attacks Israel, Russia must intervene to protect the Israeli citizens who are citizens of Russia. I think that you are a little bit exaggerating about Russia.

You will now say to me that Russia is arming Muslims? America sold more weapons to Jihadists than any other nation of the world. You see, Russia is not the problem. Americans trained radical Muslims and supplied them with weapons.
The US also created two Islamic states in Europe. Russia is far less dangerous for Israel than America.

It's a fact that the Russians were heavily involved in the arming of both Americas enemies and Israels. Did you forget the Cuban missile crisis? Florida was in a state of panic over the whole thing, how about Vietnam? Where do you think all the weapons in Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, come from? Most of it comes from the Soviet Union, even during Yom Kippur war, the Soviets sent subs ready to strike Israel to assist the Arabs.

A lot of the Russians in Israel aren't even Jews, they aren't circumsized, nor do they speak one word of Hebrew, they are Russians who fraudulently got into Israel. It's well known that Russians can buy forged paperwork on the blackmarket and ended up getting into the country illegally to expand their criminal enterprises in Israel. It's because of the Russians that Israel is dealing with sex slaves, gambling, prostitution, murder, and more. The Russian mafia uses the Jewish people as a proxy to conduct their criminal activities.

That's not to say all Jews that come from Russia aren't Jews, many are, but there are also a great deal today primarily in Israel that are not Jewish. We let them in and we get Neo Nazis in return.

The communists initially recognized Israel because Israels founders were socialists and the Soviet Union supported a socialist state in hope that it would turn full blown communist, however Israel balanced between Socialism/Capitalism and the Soviet Union ended up siding with the Arabs.

I will never consider Russia my friend, I have nothing against the Russians as a people, but as a country, they are corrupt.

and I am not of Russian background, I have nothing in common with Russian Jews. I come from a Sephardic family.

[Ben m]

Of course I consider Russia my enemy, they have always been anti-jewish be it the Tsarists, the communists or what is happening today. The Russians are brutal and unforgiving, I truly believe they are a nation of sociopaths. They will sell to anyone including their own enemies if it means a few more rubels in their pocket.

Sociopath? It sounds extremely xenophobic, but it is your opinion.
You do not like Tsarist Russia, communist Russia and today's democratic Russia.
You just do not like Russia regardless of it's political direction?

I personally think that your conclusions on Russia are based on emotions.
If some Russian individuals were bad, then you can not say that all Russians are like that. In every nation you have exceptions. I understand your emotions but it is unrealistic to mark all Russians as bad people. It is just not true. You have many good people in Russia. Comparing Russia to Nazi countries is very, very odd.
Russia contributed a lot to the defeat of Nazism, but still I see that you hate Russia more than Germany or other ex-fascist countries. 

It is a fact that the Russians contributed much against Nazism during WW2!
After WW2, communist Russia recognized the state of Israel.
Russia was actually one of the first countries which recognized Israel. Most Israeli citizens of today are actually Russian Jews who arrived to Israel from the USSR after WW2. The majority of today's Israelis arrived from Russia to Israel. Those people still have Russian citizenships. Putin declared that Russia will intervene if Russia's citizens are under attack anywhere in the world. So if somebody attacks Israel, Russia must intervene to protect the Israeli citizens who are citizens of Russia. I think that you are a little bit exaggerating about Russia.

You will now say to me that Russia is arming Muslims? America sold more weapons to Jihadists than any other nation of the world. You see, Russia is not the problem. Americans trained radical Muslims and supplied them with weapons.
The US also created two Islamic states in Europe. Russia is far less dangerous for Israel than America.

It's a fact that the Russians were heavily involved in the arming of both Americas enemies and Israels. Did you forget the Cuban missile crisis? Florida was in a state of panic over the whole thing, how about Vietnam? Where do you think all the weapons in Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, come from? Most of it comes from the Soviet Union, even during Yom Kippur war, the Soviets sent subs ready to strike Israel to assist the Arabs.

A lot of the Russians in Israel aren't even Jews, they aren't circumsized, nor do they speak one word of Hebrew, they are Russians who fraudulently got into Israel. It's well known that Russians can buy forged paperwork on the blackmarket and ended up getting into the country illegally to expand their criminal enterprises in Israel. It's because of the Russians that Israel is dealing with sex slaves, gambling, prostitution, murder, and more. The Russian mafia uses the Jewish people as a proxy to conduct their criminal activities.

That's not to say all Jews that come from Russia aren't Jews, many are, but there are also a great deal today primarily in Israel that are not Jewish. We let them in and we get Neo Nazis in return.

The communists initially recognized Israel because Israels founders were socialists and the Soviet Union supported a socialist state in hope that it would turn full blown communist, however Israel balanced between Socialism/Capitalism and the Soviet Union ended up siding with the Arabs.

I will never consider Russia my friend, I have nothing against the Russians as a people, but as a country, they are corrupt.

and I am not of Russian background, I have nothing in common with Russian Jews. I come from a Sephardic family.

why do you consider russia an enemy? russia as the potential to become one of our greatest allies.

[Hyades]

Of course I consider Russia my enemy, they have always been anti-jewish be it the Tsarists, the communists or what is happening today. The Russians are brutal and unforgiving, I truly believe they are a nation of sociopaths. They will sell to anyone including their own enemies if it means a few more rubels in their pocket.

Sociopath? It sounds extremely xenophobic, but it is your opinion.
You do not like Tsarist Russia, communist Russia and today's democratic Russia.
You just do not like Russia regardless of it's political direction?

I personally think that your conclusions on Russia are based on emotions.
If some Russian individuals were bad, then you can not say that all Russians are like that. In every nation you have exceptions. I understand your emotions but it is unrealistic to mark all Russians as bad people. It is just not true. You have many good people in Russia. Comparing Russia to Nazi countries is very, very odd.
Russia contributed a lot to the defeat of Nazism, but still I see that you hate Russia more than Germany or other ex-fascist countries. 

It is a fact that the Russians contributed much against Nazism during WW2!
After WW2, communist Russia recognized the state of Israel.
Russia was actually one of the first countries which recognized Israel. Most Israeli citizens of today are actually Russian Jews who arrived to Israel from the USSR after WW2. The majority of today's Israelis arrived from Russia to Israel. Those people still have Russian citizenships. Putin declared that Russia will intervene if Russia's citizens are under attack anywhere in the world. So if somebody attacks Israel, Russia must intervene to protect the Israeli citizens who are citizens of Russia. I think that you are a little bit exaggerating about Russia.

You will now say to me that Russia is arming Muslims? America sold more weapons to Jihadists than any other nation of the world. You see, Russia is not the problem. Americans trained radical Muslims and supplied them with weapons.
The US also created two Islamic states in Europe. Russia is far less dangerous for Israel than America.

It's a fact that the Russians were heavily involved in the arming of both Americas enemies and Israels. Did you forget the Cuban missile crisis? Florida was in a state of panic over the whole thing, how about Vietnam? Where do you think all the weapons in Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, come from? Most of it comes from the Soviet Union, even during Yom Kippur war, the Soviets sent subs ready to strike Israel to assist the Arabs.

A lot of the Russians in Israel aren't even Jews, they aren't circumsized, nor do they speak one word of Hebrew, they are Russians who fraudulently got into Israel. It's well known that Russians can buy forged paperwork on the blackmarket and ended up getting into the country illegally to expand their criminal enterprises in Israel. It's because of the Russians that Israel is dealing with sex slaves, gambling, prostitution, murder, and more. The Russian mafia uses the Jewish people as a proxy to conduct their criminal activities.

That's not to say all Jews that come from Russia aren't Jews, many are, but there are also a great deal today primarily in Israel that are not Jewish. We let them in and we get Neo Nazis in return.

The communists initially recognized Israel because Israels founders were socialists and the Soviet Union supported a socialist state in hope that it would turn full blown communist, however Israel balanced between Socialism/Capitalism and the Soviet Union ended up siding with the Arabs.

I will never consider Russia my friend, I have nothing against the Russians as a people, but as a country, they are corrupt.

and I am not of Russian background, I have nothing in common with Russian Jews. I come from a Sephardic family.

Sorry, but the US, France, Germany, Britain and Brazil filled Iraq up to neck with weapons in the war against Iran. Later Saddam Hussein used these weapons to fight the "Western devils". Same goes for the Taliban who were armed by the US against the Soviet Union and now the Western countries fight a war that cannot be won in Afghanistan and next country to fall into the Taliban's hands might be Porkistan...
Syria has most of it's weapons from France not from Russia. I do not want to defend Russia since they help Iran to build nuclear installations (at least they are suspicious for doing so) and Russia also armed criminal regimes like those in Libya, Sudan, Cuba or Venezuela.
But today it is absurd to accuse anyone for trading and delivering weapons if even ISRAELI weapons found their way into countries like Libya by passing through dozens of other countries and hands... And no embargo will ever be able to stop this.

[muman613]

I am suspicious of Russia. They have an evil history and it has only been 20+ years since the fall of USSR. It takes a long time to change the population from the mindset of communism to that of socialism and even capitalism. I also believe that there is rampant corruption in the government and therefore it is silly to believe that they can control their weapons...

I also hope that White Israelite is not besmirching Jews of Russian/Ukrainian backgrounds because to do so would be completely ridiculous.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Stalin supported creation of Israel and allowed weapon sales through Chzechoslovakia.

What you are saying is misleading.  The soviet communist apparatus was strongly opposed to zionism and saw it as a dissident movement which is why Menachem Begin was in a forced labor camp along with other Jews (he refers to it as a concentration camp several times in the English translation of his book although I'm still not 100% clear about his use of that terminology there - not to say that it wasn't severe conditions, it certainly was).  The Soviets considered Jews to be colonialist agents of the British working together actively against soviet interests in the middle east (and while in Russia also working against soviet interests).  They doubted the intentions of zionism, what was written about it, what people said, etc.  They had a conspiracy theory and stuck to it - apparently drawn from protocols of elders of zion.   No matter what "national aspirations" are claimed, the Jews are only pretending, and they are secretly out to destroy the Soviet union and prevent its influence in the middle east region.   (This reminds me of the strikingly similar sentiments Hitler yimach shemo expressed about zionism quoted in this thread!) 

If Begin was captured by Nazis he would be killed.

Your point?  This is a stupid thing to say.  The question is not "are nazis bad?"  There is no question about that.  This is about Stalin and Soviet Union and what they did.  And not every Jew who was "captured" or kidnapped was murdered, but in any case, a stupid thing to say all around.  That they rounded up Jews into "forced labor camps" (you really think no one suffered and died there?) says a great deal.  That some were eventually freed as the Polish Jews were (due to political circumstances with the war) and some were not murdered there, does not make stalin a hero.  All you have done here is obfuscate.   

When it came time to round up "political dissidents" and enemy ethnicities, Jews were an automatic choice.   But to you that means nothing.

The change in policy of the Soviet Union and their vote in favor of the UN partition plan was shortlived.  We all know that shortly after Israel's independence, the Soviet Union came to arm our enemies who were openly proclaiming they had intention to invade and destroy us.

Soviet Union supplied weapons to Israel through Czechoslovakia, while USA embargoed. Thanks to rifles and machine guns from Czechoslovakia Israel could launch Nahshon operation in april 1948, expelling hundreds of thousands of Arabs. Most of the Israel air force was from Czechoslovakia.

Massive supplies of Soviet weapons to Arabs started only in 1955, after Stalin's death.

Do you really think it was because Stalin liked Jews?   Quit deluding yourself.     

[White Israelite]

I am suspicious of Russia. They have an evil history and it has only been 20+ years since the fall of USSR. It takes a long time to change the population from the mindset of communism to that of socialism and even capitalism. I also believe that there is rampant corruption in the government and therefore it is silly to believe that they can control their weapons...

I also hope that White Israelite is not besmirching Jews of Russian/Ukrainian backgrounds because to do so would be completely ridiculous.

I'm not, there are plenty of legitimate Russian Jews, it's not a problem in the US or anywhere else, i'm referring to Russians in Israel specifically who snuck in, are not Jewish nor do they practice any Judaism and are not circumsized, these are usually frauds who snuck into the country with illegal documentation and are actually atheists with little or no Jewish ancestry.

[Ari Ben-Canaan]

A monument to the Red Army is grotesque.  However, monuments to Ben-Gurion are more grotesque.  Perhaps when we have a Kahanist government we will send all of these "monuments" to the scrap heaps they belong in.