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« on: May 13, 2010, 04:05:55 PM »
Do you guys believe that there is a new world order/iluminati, or do you think its a whacky conspiracy.

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Re: iluminati/new world order
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2010, 04:17:14 PM »
Do you guys believe that there is a new world order/iluminati, or do you think its a whacky conspiracy.

The only New World Order I'm familiar with was the one led by Hulk Hogan and Kevin Nash.

There is definitely a conspiracy of world leaders to uproot Jewish sovereignty in the Jewish homeland, to keep the world addicted to Arab oil, and seemingly to undermine American founding principles as well...   But to give them nicknames as if they are prowrestling personalities and scary boogeymen is silly.  Also silly is to say they intend things there is no proof for and say they are behind every little thing that goes on...

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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2010, 04:19:46 PM »
Do you guys believe that there is a new world order/iluminati, or do you think its a whacky conspiracy.

The only New World Order I'm familiar with was the one led by Hulk Hogan and Kevin Nash.



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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2010, 06:37:47 PM »
Do you guys believe that there is a new world order/iluminati, or do you think its a whacky conspiracy.


There is a conspiracy alright, but it's not about world domination, it is about the oldest motivation in the book, $$$$$, there's massive worldwide scams being tried by the "elite", they think of the regular folks as fools. Take the global warming scam as an example...
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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2010, 09:18:06 PM »
There are people who want one world government, one world religion, etc.

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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2010, 10:46:28 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2010, 10:47:58 PM »
There is indeed a new world order going on, right in front of us, but do not forget that nasty anti-Semites who are part of the new world order love to invent absurd conspiracies about the NWO, Illuminati, Masons, and ZOG in order to try and bring about a second Shoah.

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Re: iluminati/new world order
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2010, 11:06:56 PM »

I AM THE ZIONIST ENTITY, MOFO!
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Re: iluminati/new world order
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2010, 11:10:54 PM »
By the way, my fellow illuminati members, this book I heartily recommend:


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Re: iluminati/new world order
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2010, 11:55:08 PM »
Do you guys believe that there is a new world order/iluminati, or do you think its a whacky conspiracy.

The only New World Order I'm familiar with was the one led by Hulk Hogan and Kevin Nash.

There is definitely a conspiracy of world leaders to uproot Jewish sovereignty in the Jewish homeland, to keep the world addicted to Arab oil, and seemingly to undermine American founding principles as well...   But to give them nicknames as if they are prowrestling personalities and scary boogeymen is silly.  Also silly is to say they intend things there is no proof for and say they are behind every little thing that goes on...


Unfortunately some of this is being done by wealthy self hating Jews such as Soros. 
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« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2010, 12:03:06 AM »
LOL, the WN organizations love to say that George Homos is a "Zionist". George Homos is a Zionist like Liberace was straight.

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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2010, 12:09:07 AM »
There is indeed a new world order going on, right in front of us, but do not forget that nasty anti-Semites who are part of the new world order love to invent absurd conspiracies about the NWO, Illuminati, Masons, and ZOG in order to try and bring about a second Shoah.

I have card carrying member of all those institutions.  im also a member of the skull and bones, the Rand Corporation, Bildeberg, the Cabal of Jew-Controlled Banks, and the supreme dark overlords of the apocalypse.

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Re: iluminati/new world order
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2010, 12:10:18 AM »
There is indeed a new world order going on, right in front of us, but do not forget that nasty anti-Semites who are part of the new world order love to invent absurd conspiracies about the NWO, Illuminati, Masons, and ZOG in order to try and bring about a second Shoah.

I have card carrying member of all those institutions.  im also a member of the skull and bones, the Rand Corporation, Bildeberg, the Cabal of Jew-Controlled Banks, and the supreme dark overlords of the apocalypse.

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Re: iluminati/new world order
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2010, 12:45:44 AM »
LOL, the WN organizations love to say that George Homos is a "Zionist". George Homos is a Zionist like Liberace was straight.

The "WN" groups have a completely different and warped definition of zionism. To them zionism basically means communism. It's really hard to debate with people who use completely different definitions that don't make any sense. They're really crazy actually.

You guys can laugh all you want but there really are organizations that are evil and individuals that are evil who do want a one world system and such a system won't be good for anybody, especially Jews.

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« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2010, 12:51:00 AM »
LOL, the WN organizations love to say that George Homos is a "Zionist". George Homos is a Zionist like Liberace was straight.

The "WN" groups have a completely different and warped definition of zionism. To them zionism basically means communism. It's really hard to debate with people who use completely different definitions that don't make any sense. They're really crazy actually.

You guys can laugh all you want but there really are organizations that are evil and individuals that are evil who do want a one world system and such a system won't be good for anybody, especially Jews.

Yes, there is a New World Order and there is talk about it on the wikipage which I linked to elsewhere:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order_%28politics%29

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This article is about the use of the term “new world order” in international politics. For its use in conspiracy theory, see New World Order (conspiracy theory). For other uses, see New World Order.

The term "new world order" has been used to refer to any new period of history evidencing a dramatic change in world political thought and the balance of power. Despite various interpretations of this term, it is primarily associated with the ideological notion of global governance only in the sense of new collective efforts to identify, understand, or address worldwide problems that go beyond the capacity of individual nation-states to solve.

The first Western usages of the term surrounded Woodrow Wilson's Fourteen Points and call for a League of Nations following the devastation of World War I. The phrase was used sparingly at the end of World War II when describing the plans for the United Nations and Bretton Woods system, in part because of the negative association to the failed League of Nations the phrase would have brought. However, many commentators have applied the term retroactively to the order put in place by the WWII victors as a "new world order."

The most widely discussed application of the phrase of recent times came at the end of the Cold War. Presidents Mikhail Gorbachev and George H. W. Bush used the term to try to define the nature of the post Cold War era, and the spirit of great power cooperation that they hoped might materialize. Gorbachev's initial formulation was wide ranging and idealistic, but his ability to press for it was severely limited by the internal crisis of the Soviet system. Bush's vision was, in comparison, much more circumscribed and realistic, perhaps even instrumental at times, and closely linked to the Gulf War.

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The Gulf War and Bush's formulation

Bush started to take the initiative from Gorbachev during the run-up to the Gulf War, when he began to define the elements of the new world order as he saw it, and link the new order’s success to the international community’s response in Kuwait.

Initial agreement by the Soviets to allow action against Saddam highlighted this linkage in the press. The Washington Post declared that this superpower cooperation demonstrates that the Soviet Union has joined the international community, and that in the new world order Saddam faces not just the U.S. but the international community itself.[14] A New York Times editorial was the first to assert that at stake in the collective response to Saddam was "nothing less than the new world order which [Bush] and other leaders struggle to shape." [15]

In A World Transformed, Scowcroft notes that Bush even offered to have Soviet troops amongst the coalition forces liberating Kuwait. Bush places the fate of the new world order on the ability of the U.S. and the Soviet Union to respond to Hussein’s aggression.[16] The idea that the Gulf War would usher in the new world order began to take shape. Bush notes that the "premise [was] that the United States henceforth would be obligated to lead the world community to an unprecedented degree, as demonstrated by the Iraqi crisis, and that we should attempt to pursue our national interests, wherever possible, within a framework of concert with our friends and the international community."[17]

On March 6, 1991, President Bush addressed Congress in a speech often cited as the Bush administration’s principal policy statement on the new world order in the Middle East, following the expulsion of Iraqi forces from Kuwait.[18][19] Michael Oren summarizes the speech, saying; “The president proceeded to outline his plan for maintaining a permanent U.S. naval presence in the Gulf, for providing funds for Middle East development, and for instituting safeguards against the spread of unconventional weapons. The centerpiece of his program, however, was the achievement of an Arab-Israeli treaty based on the territory-for-peace principle and the fulfillment of Palestinian rights.” As a first step Bush announced his intention to reconvene the international peace conference in Madrid.[18]

A pivotal point came with Bush’s September 11, 1990 "Toward a New World Order" speech (full text) to a joint session of Congress. This time it was Bush, not Gorbachev, whose idealism was compared to Woodrow Wilson, and to Franklin D. Roosevelt at the creation of the UN. Key points picked up in the press were:

    * Commitment to U.S. strength, such that it can lead the world toward rule of law, rather than use of force. The Gulf crisis was seen as a reminder that the U.S. must continue to lead, and that military strength does matter, but that the resulting new world order should make military force less important in the future.
    * Soviet–American partnership in cooperation toward making the world safe for democracy, making possible the goals of the UN for the first time since its inception. Some countered that this was unlikely, and that ideological tensions would remain, such that the two superpowers could be partners of convenience for specific and limited goals only. The inability of the USSR to project force abroad was another factor in skepticism toward such a partnership.
    * Another caveat raised was that the new world order was based not on U.S.-Soviet cooperation, but really on Bush-Gorbachev cooperation, and that the personal diplomacy made the entire concept exceedingly fragile.
    * Future cleavages were to be economic, not ideological, with the First and Second world cooperating to contain regional instability in the Third World. Russia could become an ally against economic assaults from Asia, Islamic terrorism, and drugs from Latin America.
    * Soviet integration into world economic institutions, such as the G7, and establishment of ties with the European Community.
    * Restoration of German sovereignty and Cambodia’s acceptance of the UN Security Council’s peace plan on the day previous to the speech were seen as signs of what to expect in the new world order
    * The reemergence of Germany and Japan as members of the great powers, and concomitant reform of the UN Security Council was seen as necessary for great power cooperation and reinvigorated UN leadership
    * Europe was seen as taking the lead on building their own world order, while the U.S. was relegated to the sidelines. The rationale for U.S. presence on the continent was vanishing, and the Gulf crisis was seen as incapable of rallying Europe. Instead Europe was discussing the European Community, the CSCE, and relations with the USSR. Gorbachev even proposed an all-European security council to replace the CSCE, in effect superseding the increasingly irrelevant NATO.
    * A very few postulated a bi-polar new order of U.S. power and UN moral authority, the first as global policeman, the second as global judge and jury. The order would be collectivist, in which decisions and responsibility would be shared.

These were the common themes that emerged from reporting about Bush’s speech and its implications.[20] Critics held that Bush and Baker remained too vague about what exactly the order entailed.
“    Does it mean a strengthened U.N.? And new regional security arrangements in the gulf and elsewhere? Will the U.S. be willing to put its own military under international leadership? In the Gulf, Mr. Bush has rejected a UN command outright. Sometimes, when Administration officials describe their goals, they say the U.S. must reduce its military burden and commitment. Other times, they appear determined to seek new arrangements to preserve U.S. military supremacy and to justify new expenditures.    ”

The New York Times observed that the American left was calling the new world order a "rationalization for imperial ambitions" in the Middle East, while the right rejected new security arrangements altogether and fulminated about any possibility of UN revival.[21] Pat Buchanan predicted that the Gulf War would in fact be the demise of the new world order, the concept of UN peacekeeping, and the U.S.'s role as global policeman.[22]


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Re: iluminati/new world order
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2010, 12:55:25 AM »
The groups that were jokingly mentioned in this thread such as CFR, Trilateral commission, etc. are not jokes. They have real power and influence and that's not a good thing.

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« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2010, 01:07:23 AM »
The groups that were jokingly mentioned in this thread such as CFR, Trilateral commission, etc. are not jokes. They have real power and influence and that's not a good thing.

I do not think anything they can do will ultimately succeed in destroying the world order which has existed. If you have faith that Hashem existed, He exists, and he will Exist... Then nothing they can do will succeed.

Certainly they must be exposed for what they do. But some people take these things to an extreme. I think that international co-operation is a good thing, but there must be separate nations which represent the peoples of the nations. There is no way that a one world government will ever be managed efficiently and there are basic human principles which such a NWO would offend. I don't fear this NWO and I know that it will be foiled before it can accomplish complete domination.

Let us not ascribe more power to them than they deserve. But I would not suggest that we go around believing that these forces are conspiring against us. Basically my experience here in America has been generally good. I work for an international company and I appreciate what the different people of the world can contribute to the field of technology. I cannot condemn the world economy and I feel some gratitude that I can contribute to the state-of-the-art high technology of digital video hardware.

There is the dark side of corruption.. It will be the downfall of empire conspiracies...
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« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2010, 01:19:06 AM »
Here is what Wiki says about NWO conspiracy theories...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_%28conspiracy_theory%29

History of the term
During the 20th century, many statesmen, such as Woodrow Wilson and Winston Churchill, used the term "new world order" to refer to a new period of history evidencing a dramatic change in world political thought and the balance of power after World War I and World War II. They all saw these periods as opportunities to implement idealistic or liberal proposals for global governance only in the sense of new collective efforts to identify, understand, or address worldwide problems that go beyond the capacity of individual nation-states to solve. These proposals led to the creation of international organizations, such as the United Nations and NATO, and international regimes, such as the Bretton Woods system and the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, which were calculated both to maintain a balance of power as well as regularize cooperation between nations, in order to achieve a peaceful phase of capitalism. These creations in particular and internationalism in general, however, would always be criticized and opposed by American paleoconservatives on isolationist grounds and by neoconservatives on benevolent imperalist grounds.[9]

In the aftermath of the two World Wars, progressives welcomed these new international organizations and regimes but argued they suffered from a democratic deficit and therefore were inadequate to not only prevent another global war but also foster global justice. Thus, activists around the globe formed a world federalist movement bent on creating a "real" new world order. A number of Fabian socialist intellectuals, such as British writer H. G. Wells in the 1940s, appropriated and redefined the term "new world order" as a synonym for the establishment of a full-fledged secular, social democratic world government.[10]

During the Red Scare of 1947–1957, conspiracy theorists of the American secular and Christian right increasingly embraced and mongered unfounded fears of Freemasons, Illuminati, and Jews being the driving force behind an "international communist conspiracy". The threat of world communism in the form of a state atheistic and bureaucratic collectivist world government, represented as a "Red Menace", therefore became the main focus of apocalyptic millenarian conspiracism.[11]

In the 1960s, producerist groups like the John Birch Society and the Liberty Lobby disseminated a great deal of right-wing conspiracy theories focused on the United Nations as the vehicle crypto-communists would use to create the "One World Government", and contributed to a conservative movement for United States withdrawal from the U.N. American writer Mary M. Davison, in her 1966 booklet The Profound Revolution, traced the alleged New World Order conspiracy to the creation of the U.S. Federal Reserve System in 1913 by international bankers, who she claimed later formed the Council on Foreign Relations in 1921 as the shadow government. At the time the booklet was published, "international bankers" would have been interpreted by many readers as a reference to a postulated "international Jewish banking conspiracy" masterminded by the Rothschilds.[11]

Claiming that the term "New World Order" is used by a secretive elite dedicated to the destruction of all national sovereignties, American producerist writer Gary Allen, in his 1971 book None Dare Call It Conspiracy, 1974 book Rockefeller: Campaigning for the New World Order and 1987 book Say "No!" to the New World Order, articulated the anti-globalist theme of much current right-wing conspiracism in the U.S.. Thus, after the fall of communism in the early 1990s, the main demonized scapegoat of the American far right shifted seamlessly from crypto-communists who plotted on behalf of the Red Menace to globalists who plot on behalf of the New World Order. The relatively painless nature of the shift was due to growing right-wing opposition to the globalization of capitalism but also in part to the basic underlying apocalyptic millenarian paradigm, which fed the Cold War and the witch-hunts of the McCarthy period.[11]


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Protocols of the Elders of Zion

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is an antisemitic canard, originally published in Russian in 1903, alleging a Judaeo-Masonic conspiracy to achieve world domination. The text purports to be the minutes of the secret meetings of a cabal of Jewish masterminds, which has coopted Freemasonry and is plotting to rule the world on behalf of all Jews because they believe themselves to be the chosen people of God.[40] The Protocols incorporate many of the core conspiracist themes outlined in the Robison and Barruel attacks on the Freemasons, and overlay them with false antisemitic allegations about anti-Tsarist movements in Russia. The Protocols reflect themes similar to more general critiques of Enlightenment liberalism by conservatives who support monarchies and state religions. The interpretation intended by the publication of The Protocols is that if one peels away the layers of the Masonic conspiracy, past the Illuminati, one finds the rotten Jewish core.[11]

The Protocols has been proven by polemicists, such as Irish journalist Philip Graves in a 1921 The Times article, and British academic Norman Cohn in his 1967 book Warrant for Genocide, to be both a hoax and a clear case of plagiarism. There is general agreement that Russian-French writer and political activist Matvei Golovinski fabricated the text for Okhrana, the secret police of the Russian Empire, as a work of counter-revolutionary propaganda prior to the 1905 Russian Revolution, by plagiarizing it, almost word for word in some passages, from The Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu, a 19th century satire against Napoleon III of France written by French political satirist and Legitimist militant Maurice Joly.[41]

Responsible for feeding many antisemitic and anti-Masonic hysterias of the 20th century, The Protocols is widely considered to be influential in the development of conspiracy theories related to a New World Order (such as the notion of a Zionist Occupation Government), and reappears repeatedly in contemporary conspiracy literature.[5] For example, the authors of the 1982 controversial book The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail concluded that The Protocols was the most persuasive piece of evidence for the existence and activities of the Priory of Sion. They speculated that this secret society was working behind the scenes to establish a theocratic "United States of Europe". Politically and religiously unified through the imperial cult of a Merovingian sacred king, supposedly descended from a Jesus bloodline, who occupies both the throne of Europe and the Holy See, this "Holy European Empire" would become the hyperpower of the 21st century.[42] Although the Priory of Sion, itself, has been exhaustively debunked by journalists and scholars as a hoax,[43] fringe Christian eschatologists concerned with the emergence of a New World Order became convinced that the Priory of Sion was a fulfillment of prophecies found in the Book of Revelation and further proof of an anti-Christian conspiracy of epic proportions.[44]

Skeptics argue that the current gambit of contemporary conspiracy theorists who use the The Protocols is to claim that they "really" come from some group other than the Jews such as the Illuminati or alien invaders. Although it is hard to determine whether the conspiracy-minded actually believe this or are simply trying to sanitize a discredited text, skeptics argue that it doesn't make much difference, since they leave the actual, antisemitic text unchanged. The result is to give The Protocols credibility and circulation when it deserves neither.[7]
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Re: iluminati/new world order
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2010, 01:34:43 AM »
Why are all the presidents members of those types of organizations? Why do the so called left and the so called right seem to have the same agenda?

I'm not against international cooperation and trade either, but there comes a point where sovereignty begins to be eroded, and these groups want that to happen. They are gaining ground right now and we are losing.

I'm not saying they will be ultimately successful, (I do think God will win in the end) but I think there are some very powerful people who are on their side of things, George Soros included.

They don't even want your family to be all the same Muman, they consider the family to be what they want to destroy next, by making it a mish mash of nationalities:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/21/us/politics/21family.html?_r=4&pagewanted=1&hp

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« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2010, 02:04:49 AM »
Why are all the presidents members of those types of organizations? Why do the so called left and the so called right seem to have the same agenda?

I'm not against international cooperation and trade either, but there comes a point where sovereignty begins to be eroded, and these groups want that to happen. They are gaining ground right now and we are losing.

I'm not saying they will be ultimately successful, (I do think G-d will win in the end) but I think there are some very powerful people who are on their side of things, George Soros included.

They don't even want your family to be all the same Muman, they consider the family to be what they want to destroy next, by making it a mish mash of nationalities:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/21/us/politics/21family.html?_r=4&pagewanted=1&hp

I know what you are saying Rubystars... We have all been fighting against assimilation through the centuries... It seems to be a battle which we are losing... But I still have hope.

Let our prayers, and our vigilance, and our voices make sure that they don't get too much power, enough to destroy the foundations of our faith.

People need to be innately free to be who they are, not who 'they' want us to be.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2010, 02:15:04 AM »
The author of that article in the New York Nazi Times is a self-hating Jew who says Obama's family with different nationalities and races in it is basically the ideal situation. She doesn't follow what she preaches of course, but she would be happy to see other people's families destroyed.

You know how much the left just LOVES interfaith marriage too.

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« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2010, 02:52:24 AM »
Why are all the presidents members of those types of organizations?

People often ask this, but it could just be that people of high standing in the upper echelons of society and with political connections can become members of these groups.   Similarly, only a person with this background and these qualities can become president or bigname politician.   So it makes sense that the two positions go hand in hand.  Both have similar "qualifications."

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Re: iluminati/new world order
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2010, 05:20:49 AM »
Why are all the presidents members of those types of organizations?

People often ask this, but it could just be that people of high standing in the upper echelons of society and with political connections can become members of these groups.   Similarly, only a person with this background and these qualities can become president or bigname politician.   So it makes sense that the two positions go hand in hand.  Both have similar "qualifications."


That might explain a correlation of sorts, but not why all of them are.

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Re: iluminati/new world order
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2010, 09:23:33 AM »
The "WN" groups have a completely different and warped definition of zionism. To them zionism basically means communism. It's really hard to debate with people who use completely different definitions that don't make any sense. They're really crazy actually.
They do claim though that people such as Soros, Spielberg, Rahm Emanuel, etc. put Israel over the United States in terms of loyalty. If only that were true maybe Israel wouldn't be constantly struggling to survive.

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Re: iluminati/new world order
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2010, 09:47:41 AM »
Please believe there is a NWO not the one anti semites believe in but a real one.The U.N. ,Obama ,Bush  and most other politicians are members.Many are just dupes who don't know what it's all about.Part of this NWO is out to unite the world under the U.N. Destroy Israel ,Serbia and any other country that stands in it's way.
Thy destroyers and they that make thee waste shall go forth of thee.  Isaiah 49:17

 
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