what do your family members and friends think of your views.

[christians4jews]

Lets be honest, in the medias perception and the self hating western worlds perception, we are racists(although this is not the case).

What do you family members think of your views, do your friends agree with your views.

My dad pretty much agrees with 90 percent of my view, our main difference is that he has recently converted to catholicism. Im am from the school of craig winn.

My mother is like a more liberal version of me, but she doesnt like muslims, shes a bible believer, and her father always warned her that if blacks took over it would be disaster as they are like children.(He was a top colonel in the UK army).

My brother although i love him to bits, and is very intelligent. Is a very PC liberal leftist. he wants to become a member of the labour party and be a politician. Although i think its a fraud as ive caught him out being very un PC, especially towards blacks and muslims.

My very closest friends agree with my "racist" tirades against blacks and muslims, but not quite as hardcore as me. But are certinaly not politcally correct. Unfortunately they all voted for the establishment parties. Disapointing.


So what about you guys, do your family and friends agree with you, or hate what you stand for.

[muman613]

My family is with me...

My mother was basically a lifelong democrat but in the last election she voted Republican because she could not stand the O-bummer...

She believes like we do that he is a closet muslim.... Mom is not as right wing nor as activist as I am but I have hope that one day she will agree with me 100%...

My father was a staunch right-wing republican for all his life. For 20 years I was a lefty democrat and my father and I disagreed on everything. Within the last seven years, during my return to religion, I came to see eye to eye with my fathers views. Although my political career started on the right as a Reagan Republican I switched to Clinton in 1992...

I am fully open with Mom about my right wing views and although she doesn't agree with many of my views, she understands why I feel the way I do... Remember our family is a victim of terror..

[christians4jews]

My family is with me...

My mother was basically a lifelong democrat but in the last election she voted Republican because she could not stand the O-bummer...

She believes like we do that he is a closet muslim.... Mom is not as right wing nor as activist as I am but I have hope that one day she will agree with me 100%...

My father was a staunch right-wing republican for all his life. For 20 years I was a lefty democrat and my father and I disagreed on everything. Within the last seven years, during my return to religion, I came to see eye to eye with my fathers views. Although my political career started on the right as a Reagan Republican I switched to Clinton in 1992...

I am fully open with Mom about my right wing views and although she doesn't agree with many of my views, she understands why I feel the way I do... Remember our family is a victim of terror..

cool interesting post.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Everyone is different but generally my family thinks I'm nuts because I'm an "orthodox Jew."  They think I'm doing something ancient and outdated because they know nothing about it.   They are emotionally against it, and it is hard to communicate when people have a big emotional block about a given issue.  As to the rest of my views, maybe if I was younger I'd be seeing the family more and being vocal about them, but I feel: everything in its due time.  I am still working on gaining understanding and solidifying my views and only with greater certainty and greater knowledge will I become more vocal with the people closest to me - both with my beliefs in Judaism as well as my other opinions.    Also I've spent considerable time in the Eretz Kodesh away from my family so there is not much opportunity to see them in person.    But I'm sure they would recoil upon hearing most of my views!  

Different family members would be more and less receptive to certain of the ideas.  

Generally my approach with friends is that I stay quiet and confident in my views, and only when I hear a completely off-base and untrue assertion from someone else do I then outwardly state the facts that contradict their statement and strongly refute them.  And then I am relentless with cold hard logic.  I tend to think that people do not take kindly to those who are constantly promoting their views and it can come off as insecurity when it is really just a sense urgency and wanting to convince people.    In this manner, I have found that other friends will comment to me that they are impressed with what I have to say and that I debate people well, so it must be working.  I guess in a yeshiva setting, where we learn and eat together every day, there are bound to be outlandish and woefully ignorant things said, and especially people talk about Israel and current events, so the quiet waiting approach works well - there is ample opportunity.

[christians4jews]

Everyone is different but generally my family thinks I'm nuts because I'm an "orthodox Jew."  They think I'm doing something ancient and outdated because they know nothing about it.   They are emotionally against it, and it is hard to communicate when people have a big emotional block about a given issue.  As to the rest of my views, maybe if I was younger I'd be seeing the family more and being vocal about them, but I feel: everything in its due time.  I am still working on gaining understanding and solidifying my views and only with greater certainty and greater knowledge will I become more vocal with the people closest to me - both with my beliefs in Judaism as well as my other opinions.    Also I've spent considerable time in the Eretz Kodesh away from my family so there is not much opportunity to see them in person.    But I'm sure they would recoil upon hearing most of my views!  

Different family members would be more and less receptive to certain of the ideas.  

Generally my approach with friends is that I stay quiet and confident in my views, and only when I hear a completely off-base and untrue assertion from someone else do I then outwardly state the facts that contradict their statement and strongly refute them.  And then I am relentless with cold hard logic.  I tend to think that people do not take kindly to those who are constantly promoting their views and it can come off as insecurity when it is really just a sense urgency and wanting to convince people.    In this manner, I have found that other friends will comment to me that they are impressed with what I have to say and that I debate people well, so it must be working.  I guess in a yeshiva setting, where we learn and eat together every day, there are bound to be outlandish and woefully ignorant things said, and especially people talk about Israel and current events, so the quiet waiting approach works well - there is ample opportunity.

I agree, i keep quiet, then when they ask my views shock them with my extreme rightwing views.

Whats horrible for them is that i am always right, just like chaims always right. When you speak the unpopular truth, invaribly you will be right.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

I agree, i keep quiet, then when they ask my views shock them with my extreme rightwing views.

Whats horrible for them is that i am always right, just like chaims always right. When you speak the unpopular truth, invaribly you will be right.

Haha.  It's always interesting to shock people with extreme statements or views and then to see things "click" for that person when you follow that up with something they didn't know (part of the basis for your view) and it really makes them think.  I enjoy that.

[briann]

Most of them are lifelong dems.  I hope they are finally starting to wakeup.

[christians4jews]

I agree, i keep quiet, then when they ask my views shock them with my extreme rightwing views.

Whats horrible for them is that i am always right, just like chaims always right. When you speak the unpopular truth, invaribly you will be right.

Haha.  It's always interesting to shock people with extreme statements or views and then to see things "click" for that person when you follow that up with something they didn't know (part of the basis for your view) and it really makes them think.  I enjoy that.

exactly. As chaim said, the media have done the most evil thing possible, willingly they know the truth, but willingly they wont publicise the truth.

We are obviously not lemmings on here, so when media lemmings/zombies get told the truth by us they literally have no answer.

It was like the iraw war, i was against it from day one, it had a 80 percent approval rating in the uk. Now look.

Also the economy, it was bleedig obvious that it was just a bubble, base don house prices etc, and debt, we all called it here, and now look.

Ironically i am not a foreign policy expert nor a economist, but i used my own common sense, and listened to people i trust(my father, chaim), weighed it up, and hey presto another prediction.

I genuwinely think this movement is inspired by god. Call me crazy but since jojuning it, its like ive been woken up. Abit like that matrix movie where they are in reality all asleep getting the life sucked out of them.

[eb22]

If my Father was alive,   I'm confident he would have been a member of JTF.   I grew up in a very politically conservative home.      Even though my father passed away in 1991,   years earlier he envisioned the threat of someone like Barack Hussein Obama occupying the Oval Office.     He repeatedly warned me about the dangers of liberalism.     He was right.

Interestingly,  my father's favorite U.S. Senator was Jesse Helms,  who Chaim has a very high opinion of.     My father regularly supported Sen. Helms financially.     

On the other side of the coin,   my father thought very highly of Barry Goldwater,  who Chaim doesn't have a favorable opinion of.      Even people who agree on most subjects are going to have differences of opinion at times.      My guess is high level discussions about Barry Goldwater would have taken place,   with the overall JTF causes remaining the priority.       

[christians4jews]

If my Father was alive,   I'm confident he would have been a member of JTF.   I grew up in a very politically conservative home.      Even though my father passed away in 1991,   years earlier he envisioned the threat of someone like Barack Hussein Obama occupying the Oval Office.     He repeatedly warned me about the dangers of liberalism.     He was right.

Interestingly,  my father's favorite U.S. Senator was Jesse Helms,  who Chaim has a very high opinion of.     My father regularly supported Sen. Helms financially.     

On the other side of the coin,   my father thought very highly of Barry Goldwater,  who Chaim doesn't have a favorable opinion of.      Even people who agree on most subjects are going to have differences of opinion at times.      My guess is high level discussions about Barry Goldwater would have taken place,   with the overall JTF causes remaining the priority.       

yea we all have some disgreements, its good to have healthy debate.

[mord]

I'm the moderate in my family

[Moshe92]

My parents are right wing and always vote Republican in elections, but I think that they're more moderate and politically correct than I am. For example, my mother said that it's unfair to call Obama a Muslim. My 15 year old brother agrees with my political views, but he always makes fun of me for being part of JTF/hayamin haamiti. I don't think he's against JTF. He just tries to make fun of everything I do. I'm sure people here with a younger brother would understand.

[Moshe92]

As for my religious views, my parents are fine with me becoming more observant, but they're worried that I will put myself into too narrow of a social group, and they have other similar worries. My brother makes fun of me and calls me a religious fanatic, but he's just doing that because he's a younger brother.

[Rubystars]

My sister told me she was "disappointed" in me when I said Muslims aren't people. She also got mad at me one time when speaking about blacks and I said "The inner chimp always comes out".

I think my parents understand my views more.

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "The inner chimp always comes out

                                          

[Rubystars]

Re:  "The inner chimp always comes out

                                          

I wish I could take credit for that one. I learned it on N-mania.

[angryChineseKahanist]

As usual, I stand alone.
To an extent anyway. My familly knows what negroids and 'spanics are all about. But otherwise think free health care is great and that __I__ should get it.
Well, like they say, the strong man is mightest alone.

[White Israelite]

Varies, my mother claims to be a conservative but her tendenies are definitely more "pro government" and I think she's truly a liberal at heart. Nothing is going to change that and I see how she pretends to satisfy my step dad.

My step dad was air force and worked for ITT for 15 years doing avionics on eglin air force base for the military. He's primarily a conservative and against socialist policies, we tend to agree on most things but still argue over racial issues.

My father on the other hand, I don't know what his views are. I don't think any of my family would have agreed on my views to be honest, my stepdad maybe the closest but that's about it.

[Dr. Dan]

My family and inlaws agree with most of the views I express. However they are not nearly as right wing as me. 

My family is more left wing on Judaism while my in laws on Israeli politics.

[Ari Ben-Canaan]

My Dad sees pretty much eye to eye with me on most things, but has studied Islam less, however he has studied enough to know 'they must go'.  My Dad is a Libertarian/Conservative, he rarely votes Republican, usually he supports someone we have never heard of.  He enjoys what I tell him of Rabbi Kahane, although he is not the type of person to sit down and watch his speechs and debates or read his articles... my Dad is usually all business.  My Dad believes in helping the disabled through what the gov't collects in taxes, but not for deadbeats who refuse to work.

My Mom is fairly Right-wing although content to vote Republican most of the time, likes what she has seen from Rabbi Kahane, enjoys Robert Spencer and Daniel Pipes.  My Mom believes in helping disabled people with tax money, but also does not agree with supporting deadbeats.

My brother, who is younger, is more Left-wing on some things, but I see him coming around to more Right-wing thinking.  I can't rush him, but he always enjoys a good debate.  He likes Rabbi Kahane from what I have shared with him.  He has said, "If the Arabs were evicted out decades ago they would have nice settled lives by now somewhere else." - I agree.

My best friend in Los Angeles agrees with me politically. 

My best friend from back home is on the fence on a lot of things, it seems he is always taking in new information, which I admire in some ways.  He has learned how to speak Arabic, and I think he is believes in a "moderate Islam vs. radical Islam" theory because of interaction with taqqiya spewing "moderates".  But he uses his Arabic for gov't purposes which he is "not allowed to discuss freely", so I respect him quite a bit, and I feel it is only a matter of time until he realizes Islam is Islam. 

A lot of my other friends from the past are quite Liberal, but I don't discuss politics with them, but I don't really press to hang out with them as much as I used to either, unless we were really close - all my friends always listen to what I have to say on politics because I rarely espouse opinion without facts or science.

With a lot of the people I attend Shul with I feel as if I am one of the more conservative people, although I know a few good Right-wingers.  My interests at Shul are Judaism based, not politic based.  I am happy to say I support Rabbi Meir Kahane though, and if someone picks up on that, good.  I just don't like to heap politics on people on Friday nights.  However is someone comes to me I am happy to discuss politics in depth because I myself personally enjoy it.

If people object to me being a Kahanist, I say, "let's hear a better plan" - I have yet to hear one.

[christians4jews]

My Dad sees pretty much eye to eye with me on most things, but has studied Islam less, however he has studied enough to know 'they must go'.  My Dad is a Libertarian/Conservative, he rarely votes Republican, usually he supports someone we have never heard of.  He enjoys what I tell him of Rabbi Kahane, although he is not the type of person to sit down and watch his speechs and debates or read his articles... my Dad is usually all business.  My Dad believes in helping the disabled through what the gov't collects in taxes, but not for deadbeats who refuse to work.

My Mom is fairly Right-wing although content to vote Republican most of the time, likes what she has seen from Rabbi Kahane, enjoys Robert Spencer and Daniel Pipes.  My Mom believes in helping disabled people with tax money, but also does not agree with supporting deadbeats.

My brother, who is younger, is more Left-wing on some things, but I see him coming around to more Right-wing thinking.  I can't rush him, but he always enjoys a good debate.  He likes Rabbi Kahane from what I have shared with him.  He has said, "If the Arabs were evicted out decades ago they would have nice settled lives by now somewhere else." - I agree.

My best friend in Los Angeles agrees with me politically. 

My best friend from back home is on the fence on a lot of things, it seems he is always taking in new information, which I admire in some ways.  He has learned how to speak Arabic, and I think he is believes in a "moderate Islam vs. radical Islam" theory because of interaction with taqqiya spewing "moderates".  But he uses his Arabic for gov't purposes which he is "not allowed to discuss freely", so I respect him quite a bit, and I feel it is only a matter of time until he realizes Islam is Islam. 

A lot of my other friends from the past are quite Liberal, but I don't discuss politics with them, but I don't really press to hang out with them as much as I used to either, unless we were really close - all my friends always listen to what I have to say on politics because I rarely espouse opinion without facts or science.

With a lot of the people I attend Shul with I feel as if I am one of the more conservative people, although I know a few good Right-wingers.  My interests at Shul are Judaism based, not politic based.  I am happy to say I support Rabbi Meir Kahane though, and if someone picks up on that, good.  I just don't like to heap politics on people on Friday nights.  However is someone comes to me I am happy to discuss politics in depth because I myself personally enjoy it.

If people object to me being a Kahanist, I say, "let's hear a better plan" - I have yet to hear one.

Nice post.

[TheCoon]

christians4jews, you make a good observation about your brother being very liberal yet saying very un-PC things. Unfortunately, it sounds like he is more of an opportunist than a liberal. I myself have been around many liberals who are outright racists and bigots. They pander to minorities because they're a means to an end.

[christians4jews]

christians4jews, you make a good observation about your brother being very liberal yet saying very un-PC things. Unfortunately, it sounds like he is more of an opportunist than a liberal. I myself have been around many liberals who are outright racists and bigots. They pander to minorities because they're a means to an end.

my uncle is a member of the liberal democrats party, and hes always insulting blacks etc.

Liberal demoacrats are upper middle class whites that have a morale boost to pander to blacks, muslims  etc. When in reality they just as racist as white supremacists as their daughters and sons will always, marry, be around white people. In fact they have very few interactions with ethnic minorities of any race.

Dodgy eh.

[JTFenthusiast2]

My father and I didn't talk for many years over an incident where I thought he was being an anti-semite...long story and not a good one.

My mother is like me more liberal, but a pragmatist.  She doesn't spend a lot of time online, but from other media and just observing people, she sees that our culture is quickly going down the toilet

My stepfather, great semi- old fashioned Italian who says it like it is, and doesn't pull punches

[nessuno]

I'm the moderate in my family