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Thy destroyers and they that make thee waste shall go forth of thee.  Isaiah 49:17

 
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Re: Bob Dylans old pro Israel song
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2007, 09:28:52 AM »
I have a hard time buying that that old stoner supports anything.

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Re: Bob Dylans old pro Israel song
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2007, 11:35:26 AM »
He became a Christian, recorded 2 amazing Christian LPs, Slow Train Coming & Saved, then ditched it completely. I can't stand his voice.

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Re: Bob Dylans old pro Israel song
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2007, 03:44:10 PM »
" But Momma could this really be the end...to be stuck in a mobile with the Memphis Blues again!" :laugh:
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

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Re: Bob Dylans old pro Israel song
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2007, 04:05:53 PM »
He is rubbish. I don't know why people rate him so highly

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Re: Bob Dylans old pro Israel song
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2007, 04:31:36 PM »
He left Christianity after meeting a Chabad Shliach on a plane and learning about Judaism from him. Since then he follows some Mitzvot, and whatever his failings loves the Jewish people. Under Jewish law he would have the status of Tinok Shenishbah, so he isnt fully responsible for his actions.
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Re: Bob Dylans old pro Israel song
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2007, 05:39:17 PM »
He left Christianity after meeting a Chabad Shliach on a plane and learning about Judaism from him. Since then he follows some Mitzvot, and whatever his failings loves the Jewish people. Under Jewish law he would have the status of Tinok Shenishbah, so he isnt fully responsible for his actions.

What does that mean, why isn't someone responsible for their own actions?

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Re: Bob Dylans old pro Israel song
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2007, 06:03:04 PM »
Under Jewish law, when a Jew, and this only applies to Jews, would be stolen as a baby by Achum, or Christians, or Muslims(as continues to this day, in the Islamic world) the child would have the status of Tinok Shenishbah, literally a stolen baby. Such a child is not responsible on his own for following Jewish law, and those Jews who are observant are required as a mitzvah to rescue all such Jews. The Gedolim of previous generations ruled that this category also applied to those Jews raised in irreligious homes. The vast majority of the Jews who dont follow the Torah fall within this category, including Bob Dylan, as he was raised in a irreligious Jewish home.

In fact my own Great-Grandfather Shamai was kidnapped off the streets of Ludmeer in Russia when he was 15 to be forced into the Russian army, this would be a different category than tinok shenishbah, but the practice of kidnapping Jews for some reason or another was widespread in the West until modern times.
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Re: Bob Dylans old pro Israel song
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2007, 06:03:33 PM »
I think it means a broken infant :o :o
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Re: Bob Dylans old pro Israel song
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2007, 06:14:23 PM »
The Rambam discusses the issue at length in Hilchot Avodah Zara
"For it is through the mercy of fools that all Justice is lost"
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Re: Bob Dylans old pro Israel song
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2007, 08:42:12 PM »
He observes some mitzvot but gets high every day. Really religious.  ::)

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Re: Bob Dylans old pro Israel song
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2007, 11:48:32 AM »
I think it means a broken infant :o :o

Ummm...no. It's Nishba not Nishbar. It means an infant who was taken captive like they said before.
"It is not upon you to finish the work, nor are you free to desist from it." Rabbi Tarfon, Pirkei Avot.

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Re: Bob Dylans old pro Israel song
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2007, 11:54:48 AM »
YES I SEE i'm sure he now is Jewish and he does'nt get high anymore
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