Author Topic: Jeffguy (Read 24427 times)

TheCoon · « **Reply #50 on:** May 19, 2007, 07:51:49 AM »

Making comments like "kill all arabs/blacks", "Rape their women", etc, etc are NOT helpful. They make us all look bad and prevent the movement from growing. The average person looks at posts like Chaimfan's and thinks we're all nuts. Calling for mass killings is a breakdown of reasoning and shows an extreme lack of maturity. Especially about killing children and women. Why do you think Rabbi Kahane never once said things like this? He knew that they only harmed his ability to grow his movement. His harshest words meant only to send the muslim arabs out of Israel, not massacre them.

On a side note about Chaimfan, I detested the way he labelled virtually everyone who disagreed with his views a member of Revava or StørmFrønt. This was seemingly done only to cause problems and divisions. It showed weak reasoning his part.

I fully support Jeffguy's decision.

cjd · « **Reply #51 on:** May 19, 2007, 08:37:17 AM »

Quote from: thunderbolt on May 19, 2007, 07:51:49 AM

Making comments like "kill all arabs/blacks", "Rape their women", etc, etc are NOT helpful. They make us all look bad and prevent the movement from growing. The average person looks at posts like Chaimfan's and thinks we're all nuts. Calling for mass killings is a breakdown of reasoning and shows an extreme lack of maturity. Especially about killing children and women. Why do you think Rabbi Kahane never once said things like this? He knew that they only harmed his ability to grow his movement. His harshest words meant only to send the muslim arabs out of Israel, not massacre them.

On a side note about Chaimfan, I detested the way he labelled virtually everyone who disagreed with his views a member of Revava or StørmFrønt. This was seemingly done only to cause problems and divisions. It showed weak reasoning his part.

I fully support Jeffguy's decision.

I have to agree with thunderbolt here. I also fully support jeffguys decision. As for now I understand the banning is temporary however if total banning is decided so be it. I was trying not to say much on this issue but when I read some of the posts referring to Chaimfan many of the things that bothered me about his posts are being said piecemeal by other members . This tells me that I am not alone in my opinion of Chaimfan's actions on the forum. I think that jeffguy is handling it exactly right in fact he is being lenient in the handling in my opinion. Not that it bothers me in the least but the way the new moderators are being ridiculed by some members is not right. They are all trying to do the job Jimmy and Chaim put them there to do. Just to put it on record this moderator is not here for popularity my responsibility is to JTF.
Lets let the ***ADMINISTRATORS*** put their heads together and come up with the right solution here and lets not argue among ourselves. As I said before Chaimfans ban is only temporary as of now.

Nic Brookes · « **Reply #52 on:** May 19, 2007, 08:51:56 AM »

Quote from: ftf on May 18, 2007, 08:09:12 PM

Last I knew, Allen-T and Yacov were the administrators on this forum, not Trumpeldor.

Surely Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim, jsullivan, jeffguy and TorahZionist are the admins

ftf · « **Reply #53 on:** May 19, 2007, 08:52:57 AM »

I don't know why, but I wrote Allen-T when I meant Jeffguy, I must have been half or more than half asleep...

Nic Brookes · « **Reply #54 on:** May 19, 2007, 08:53:50 AM »

LOL

and Yoel... don't forget Yoel...

Sarah · « **Reply #55 on:** May 19, 2007, 12:00:13 PM »

The comments Chaimfan made were violent and i found them disgusting BUT he should not be banned. However he should be clearly warned that those comments are unnesccery.

Look at the state of this Forum, theres a lingering atmosphere of tension due to people being banned recently...and the number of people that have been banned is quite a lot. However there are substantial reasons for all of these situations, they just need to be thought out more logically.

Regarding the banning of Fruit, i didn't want him to be banned and argued a bit with Allen-T about other things, i'm sorry if i annoyed you.

Chaimfan is extreme......but we also have ftf who isn't....Its all about the balance. Its what JTF needs.

Scriabin · « **Reply #56 on:** May 19, 2007, 12:22:46 PM »

I always felt that Chaimfan was insencere.

Sarah · « **Reply #57 on:** May 19, 2007, 12:24:15 PM »

He has two sides. An extreme ruthless twist to his personality and a comical, polite and kind hearted side that changes throughout the day.

He is VERY christian.

Allen-T · « **Reply #58 on:** May 19, 2007, 01:42:11 PM »

Quote from: Sarah on May 19, 2007, 12:24:15 PM

He has two sides. An extreme ruthless twist to his personality and a comical, polite and kind hearted side that changes throughout the day.

He is VERY christian.

Sarah, where do you get the idea you make such an assessment? I know I sound like I am attacking you sometimes, but I am not. It's just that you make really outrageous statements sometimes.

ftf · « **Reply #59 on:** May 19, 2007, 01:43:36 PM »

Being two sided is quite unchristian...

Trumpeldor · « **Reply #60 on:** May 19, 2007, 01:48:16 PM »

Quote from: ftf on May 19, 2007, 01:43:36 PM

Being two sided is quite unchristian...

Can we cut the guy a break? We ban him and now we attack him?

ftf · « **Reply #61 on:** May 19, 2007, 01:50:20 PM »

Sarah was saying that he is two sided and very christian, I was just pointing out that those two things are opposites. According to the Christian scriptures we should say what we mean and mean what we say, I think that precludes the idea of being two sided.

My comment was aimed at Sarah not Chaimfan.

Allen-T · « **Reply #62 on:** May 19, 2007, 01:51:28 PM »

I want to make it clear about my statement to Sarah. I am not judging Chaimfan one way or another. I am simply saying Sarah is in no way qualified to make judgements about whether or not someone may or may not be a serious Christian.

Trumpeldor · « **Reply #63 on:** May 19, 2007, 01:54:19 PM »

Quote from: ftf on May 19, 2007, 01:50:20 PM

Sarah was saying that he is two sided and very christian, I was just pointing out that those two things are opposites. According to the Christian scriptures we should say what we mean and mean what we say, I think that precludes the idea of being two sided.

How about the fact that we are all fallible, flawed beings?

Chaimfan's flaw is that he pushes everything to an extreme and knows no boundaries. Should we help him or scorn him?

ftf · « **Reply #64 on:** May 19, 2007, 01:56:06 PM »

I say that we should help him, but I believe that a short term ban is a way of helping him, we have to make him realise that some things are unacceptable, punishments are a way of doing that.

The fact that we are all fallable and flawed is central to the Christian mesage...

Allen-T · « **Reply #65 on:** May 19, 2007, 02:00:15 PM »

One has to assume that if someone advocates raping women, they would probably really do it. This is not the thoughts/behavior of a "flawed Christian". It's the thoughts/behavior of someone evil. I get the impression there are alot of single men/boys around here. What is tolerated here in regards to women is really starting to trouble me.

Trumpeldor · « **Reply #66 on:** May 19, 2007, 02:01:00 PM »

Quote from: ftf on May 19, 2007, 01:56:06 PM

I say that we should help him, but I believe that a short term ban is a way of helping him, we have to make him realise that some things are unacceptable, punishments are a way of doing that.

The fact that we are all fallable and flawed is central to the Christian mesage...

A short term ban would have been ok had it been agreed upon the admins. Who am I to question Yacov and Jimmy? The fact of the matter is that the decision was unilateral. There was no consensus.

Trumpeldor · « **Reply #67 on:** May 19, 2007, 02:02:37 PM »

Quote from: Allen-T on May 19, 2007, 02:00:15 PM

One has to assume that if someone advocates raping women, they would probably really do it. This is not the thoughts/behavior of a "flawed Christian". It's the thoughts/behavior of someone evil. I get the impression there are alot of single men/boys around here. What is tolerated here in regards to women is really starting to trouble me.

Chaimfan is an evil person who wants to rape women?

C'mon.

DownwithIslam · « **Reply #68 on:** May 19, 2007, 06:54:59 PM »

Quote from: Chaimfan on May 18, 2007, 09:16:48 AM

Quote from: dannycookie57 on May 18, 2007, 01:46:17 AM
OR, for a softer stance, jail the whole immediate family and they would go under the category as prisoner as I had mentioned above.
I don't think supporting large hordes of Arabs (considering their "families" consist of nine or ten creatures per woman) at the largesse of the state in country-club prisons (because that's how Israeli prisons for Arab terrorists are) is much of a deterrent.

--Hang the men in the streets
--Rape the women and then shoot them
--Shoot the kids, because from about the age of 1 up they want to murder Jews too

I believe the above statements made by Chaimfan are completely normal for a person who is sick of Islam to say. Any if we don't heed Chaimfans warnings, we are going to be beheaded by the muslims. Wake up you fools, Chaimfan is telling you exactly what you need to hear. If you don't like this type of talk then I don't know why you ever came to this forum. Chaim Ben Pesach has clearly said what would happen to the Muslims when a Kahanist govt would be in power. I personally would never allow Jewish men to rape the muslim harlots because that is beastiality. I agree with everything else Chaimfan said. Notice, when Imerica came on here all you brave "Moderators" cowered before her. When you are kind to the cruel you will be cruel to the kind.

Carlyle · « **Reply #69 on:** May 19, 2007, 07:10:08 PM »

Jeffguy PM'ed me a "warning" saying that he should ban me for being a "White Supremacist".

I am a Christian European nationalist and my political positions aren't going to change. The question whether a natural racial hierarchy exists is a matter of science, not faith. Everyone who has observed the behavior of the Negro race should know that it is at the bottom of that hierarchy.

I can't see how anybody could morally condemn racialist views as they have been shared by countless historical Christian and Jewish leaders, both religious and secular.

DownwithIslam · « **Reply #70 on:** May 19, 2007, 07:17:29 PM »

I think pretty soon only jeffguy will be left on here if he has it his way. I know he will try and ban me if I say something to "Extreme" for him. If he does ban me I will just reregister under a similar username. Blocking my Ip address will be of no help as most of the time I log on with a sprint mobile broadband EVDO card which assigns a new ip with each login. Plus I will go to queens and personally tell Chaim to get rid of overaggressive moderators. Please lets go back to the system with only Yacov and Jimmy in charge. It is really bothering me that Chaimfan was kicked off here. Carlyle if all you did was make fun of blacks then Jeffguy had no business threatening you with a ban.

Carlyle · « **Reply #71 on:** May 19, 2007, 07:29:14 PM »

Quote from: DownwithIslam on May 19, 2007, 07:17:29 PM

I think pretty soon only jeffguy will be left on here if he has it his way. I know he will try and ban me if I say something to "Extreme" for him. If he does ban me I will just reregister under a similar username. Blocking my Ip address will be of no help as most of the time I log on with a sprint mobile broadband EVDO card which assigns a new ip with each login. Plus I will go to queens and personally tell Chaim to get rid of overaggressive moderators. Please lets go back to the system with only Yacov and Jimmy in charge. It is really bothering me that Chaimfan was kicked off here. Carlyle if all you did was make fun of blacks then Jeffguy had no business threatening you with a ban.

Yeah, I just posted a quote by 19th Century British PM Disraeli and argued a little about racial issues with babylonianjew.

jdl4ever · « **Reply #72 on:** May 19, 2007, 09:38:57 PM »

Chaimfan is a valued poster. He contributed a lot to this forum. However, I do support a temporary ban to calm him down a little bit since he has been making troubled statements for quite some time.

1. He is primarily the one responsible for dividing this forum a couple of weeks ago by personally attacking R' Ovadia Yosef that caused us to lose support of several religious members.
2. He actively tried to missionize one of our members to Christianity in a personal message.
3. In my memory (correct me if I am wrong) the guy likes to attack people and say things that turn people off from our movement. The comment about raping women was unacceptable and turns people away from our movement. The truth is, he actually believes in what he says. I think if he doesn't cool down he has the potential to be a very dangerous individual. It reminds me of Mordechai Levy. My father knew the guy as far back as the early 70's when Levy liked my father and tried to be his friend. He was clearly insane so my father would try to avoid the nut. Later on he got more insane and actually acted on his insanity by doing crazy things.

Daniel · « **Reply #73 on:** May 19, 2007, 09:59:37 PM »

Quote from: Trumpeldor on May 19, 2007, 01:54:19 PM

Quote from: ftf on May 19, 2007, 01:50:20 PM
Sarah was saying that he is two sided and very christian, I was just pointing out that those two things are opposites. According to the Christian scriptures we should say what we mean and mean what we say, I think that precludes the idea of being two sided.

How about the fact that we are all fallible, flawed beings?

Chaimfan's flaw is that he pushes everything to an extreme and knows no boundaries. Should we help him or scorn him?

The way I see it, Chaimfan is merely emulating the behavior of Chaim. So I don't know about that one.

Trumpeldor · « **Reply #74 on:** May 19, 2007, 10:04:15 PM »

Quote from: Daniel on May 19, 2007, 09:59:37 PM

Quote from: Trumpeldor on May 19, 2007, 01:54:19 PM
Quote from: ftf on May 19, 2007, 01:50:20 PM
Sarah was saying that he is two sided and very christian, I was just pointing out that those two things are opposites. According to the Christian scriptures we should say what we mean and mean what we say, I think that precludes the idea of being two sided.

How about the fact that we are all fallible, flawed beings?

Chaimfan's flaw is that he pushes everything to an extreme and knows no boundaries. Should we help him or scorn him?

The way I see it, Chaimfan is merely emulating the behavior of Chaim. So I don't know about that one.

What are you talking about? Only Chaimfan's moniker emulates Chaim.

Author Topic: Jeffguy (Read 24427 times)

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