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Who were the ancient Egyptians?

They were biologically White
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They were biologically most related to modern Egyptians
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Offline Di Mott

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Anthropology has proven that ancient Egyptians and modern Egyptians are the same people despite all of the past invasions in the past few thousand years.

Some of the mummies like Ramses have red hair but modern Egyptians can also have red hair. Also, archaeological hair sometimes turns red:

"The common misconception that all hair turns red over archaeological timescales has found its way into archaeological folklore. Whilst certain environments such as those producing bog bodies are known to yield hair of a red-brown color, in part because of the breakdown of organic matter and presence of humic acids which impart a brown color to recovered remains, it has commonly been assumed that this happens to all archaeological hair. This concept has been perpetuated by popular nicknames such as "Ginger"--affectionately given to the Predynastic burial with red hair on display in the mummy rooms at the British Museum.

Potential change to hair color can be explained more scientifically by examining the chemistry of melanin which is responsible for hair color in life. All hair contains a mixture in varying concentration of both black-brown eumelanin and red-yellow phaeomelanin pigments, which are susceptible to differential chemical change under certain extreme burial conditions (for example wet reducing conditions, or dry oxidising conditions). Importantly, phaeomelanin is much more stable to environmental conditions than eumelanin, hence the reactions occurring in the burial environment favor the preservation of phaeomelanin, revealing and enhancing the red/ yellow color of hairs containing this pigment. Color changes occur slowly under dry oxidising conditions, such as in the burials in sand at Hierakonpolis. Whether the conditions within the wood and plaster coffin contributed to accelerated color change, or whether this individual naturally had more phaeomelanin pigmentation in his hair is hard to say without further analysis."

http://www.archaeology.org/interactive/hierakonpolis/field/hair.html

Here is the proof that modern Egyptians and ancient Egyptians are the same people:

From the the Oxford Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt:

"In spite of evidence against scientific race, both Egyptologists and Afrocentric scholars often continue attempts to define the Egyptians as a member of an essentialist racial category, usually attempting to link them either to a supposed "Caucasoid" or "Negroid/Africoid" phenotype. Such models imply that the founders of pharaonic Egypt came from Sub-Saharan Africa, western Asia, or Europe/Transcaucasus. While there was some immigration from all these areas, physical anthropology has demonstrated the fundamental continuity of ancient and modern Egyptian populations."

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From the Ancient Egypt: Anatomy of a Civilisation:

On page 53 the dendrogram of ancient skulls shows that ancient Egyptians were most related to modern Egyptians:

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According to John Shea whose eductation/credentials are:

Ph.D (Anthropology) Harvard University, 1991.
BA (Archaeology) Boston University, 1982.

What race were the Ancient Egyptians and are modern day Egyptians the same people as the Ancient Egyptians?

"If by "race" you mean the categories Anglo-American culture uses, then "black" or "African", though as I am sure you know, there is a lot of variation in both so-called races. When the ancient Egyptians painted themselves, they usually colored themselves a kind of reddish orange (men) or white/yellow (women). They painted their neighbors to the south (Nubians) very dark brown/black and Libyans yellow, so they clearly differentiated themselves from other Africans on the basis of skin color. Same people as in ancient times.  Any biological differences are  negligible, though you'd probably be able to get a precise estimate by comparing DNA. Bottom line, would Tutankamun have had trouble getting served at a whites-only lunch counter in 1950s Alabama?  Definitely.

Cheers,
John Shea"


http://en.allexperts.com/q/Anthropology-2291/2009/8/Race-Ancient-Egyptians-2.htm
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#1 Egyptians were never Arabs...

#2 Ancient Egyptians are extinct

How can you compare apples and oranges... Arabs today are some of the dumbest people on the face of the planet, often dumber than the black Africans..

If the ancient egyptians were so great why is their entire culture extinct? Why are the pyramids and Hieroglyphics all that remains of this 'great' nation? Egypt was demolished and their people scattered, there is nothing left of them but artifacts...

The Jewish people on the other hand survived slavery in Egypt and they are still a people...

Also the articles you linked to do not prove your point... There is much speculation in those quotes..


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"In spite of evidence against scientific race, both Egyptologists and Afrocentric scholars often continue attempts to define the Egyptians as a member of an essentialist racial category, usually attempting to link them either to a supposed "Caucasoid" or "Negroid/Africoid" phenotype. Such models imply that the founders of pharaonic Egypt came from Sub-Saharan Africa, western Asia, or Europe/Transcaucasus. While there was some immigration from all these areas, physical anthropology has demonstrated the fundamental continuity of ancient and modern Egyptian populations."
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#1 Egyptians were never Arabs...

#2 Ancient Egyptians are extinct

How can you compare apples and oranges... Arabs today are some of the dumbest people on the face of the planet, often dumber than the black Africans..



These same "dumb" Arabs have the rest of the world by the nuts. They do what they want, hurt who they want, con the world into thinking they are the victims, and keep earning billions of dollars by selling us oil which we cannot live without while they slowly increase in number and take over the world. That doesn't sound like dumb to me. May Hashem punish these wicked, evil nazis.

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You're an idiot whoever you are. The original Egyptians are not at all related to the sub-human, sewer rats that live in that stinking sewer that is called "Egypt" today. They all died out a long time ago. They were far more advanced and superior to the "Egyptians" who live in what is called "Egypt" today.

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Such ignorance I don't know where to start..

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Come on people, can't you see that this pea brain is just trying to get your goat.   He doesn't even believe his own posts.   :laugh:

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Next he will come on to the forum with a new name.  And this time he'll say that there never was a holocaust.  It's old.

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Next he will come on to the forum with a new name.  And this time he'll say that there never was a holocaust.  It's old.

Or that the Jewish people never really existed.

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I challenge you to find one recent, reliable study that states in no uncertain terms that the Egyptians were White. No politically neutral scientist would be that stupid to make such a conclusion. The only people that state that the Egyptians were anyone other than modern Egyptians are either White supremacists or Black supremacists.

The consensus among anthropologists is that ancient Egyptians are biologically the same people as modern Egyptians. Of course you'll just deny scholarly, authoritative studies that prove this because you're jealous that Egyptian civilization was greater than Israeli civilization.

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I challenge you to find one recent, reliable study that states in no uncertain terms that the Egyptians were White. No politically neutral scientist would be that stupid to make such a conclusion. The only people that state that the Egyptians were anyone other than modern Egyptians are either White supremacists or Black supremacists.

The consensus among anthropologists is that ancient Egyptians are biologically the same people as modern Egyptians. Of course you'll just deny scholarly, authoritative studies that prove this because you're jealous that Egyptian civilization was greater than Israeli civilization.

Steven, give it up. No one cares to listen to your pathetic nonsense. Today's Egyptians are the same Egyptians that existed thousands of years ago. They all died a long time ago. So please kindly go back to pedofront.
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I challenge you to find one recent, reliable study that states in no uncertain terms that the Egyptians were White. No politically neutral scientist would be that stupid to make such a conclusion. The only people that state that the Egyptians were anyone other than modern Egyptians are either White supremacists or Black supremacists.

The consensus among anthropologists is that ancient Egyptians are biologically the same people as modern Egyptians. Of course you'll just deny scholarly, authoritative studies that prove this because you're jealous that Egyptian civilization was greater than Israeli civilization.

Okay, you win, the Egyptians are and were smarter than the Jews.  Whateve.  Now go to your night job cleaning the glory holes at the porn shop.

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#1 Egyptians were never Arabs...

I made that clear in my first post:

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modern-day North Africans are biologically distinct from Arabians and are therefore only culturally Arabs.

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#2 Ancient Egyptians are extinct

No they aren't. Most anthropologists conclude that they're biologically the same people. The dendrogram and encyclopedia show that.

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How can you compare apples and oranges... Arabs today are some of the dumbest people on the face of the planet, often dumber than the black Africans..

With that logic the Meso-American, Indian, and Chinese civilizations were all built by Whites because the modern nations of where these civilizations existed are third world. In fact Arthur Kemp does claim that every ancient civilization was created by Nordics.

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The Jewish people on the other hand survived slavery in Egypt and they are still a people...

The Egyptians also survived except that they simply practice Islam and speak Arabic. Their culture is gone but not their genetic makeup.

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Also the articles you linked to do not prove your point... There is much speculation in those quotes..

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"In spite of evidence against scientific race, both Egyptologists and Afrocentric scholars often continue attempts to define the Egyptians as a member of an essentialist racial category, usually attempting to link them either to a supposed "Caucasoid" or "Negroid/Africoid" phenotype. Such models imply that the founders of pharaonic Egypt came from Sub-Saharan Africa, western Asia, or Europe/Transcaucasus. While there was some immigration from all these areas, physical anthropology has demonstrated the fundamental continuity of ancient and modern Egyptian populations."

How does that contradict the next sentence?

"While there was some immigration from all these areas, physical anthropology has demonstrated the fundamental continuity of ancient and modern Egyptian populations."

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#1 Egyptians were never Arabs...

I made that clear in my first post:

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modern-day North Africans are biologically distinct from Arabians and are therefore only culturally Arabs.

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#2 Ancient Egyptians are extinct

No they aren't. Most anthropologists conclude that they're biologically the same people. The dendrogram and encyclopedia show that.

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How can you compare apples and oranges... Arabs today are some of the dumbest people on the face of the planet, often dumber than the black Africans..

With that logic the Meso-American, Indian, and Chinese civilizations were all built by Whites because the modern nations of where these civilizations existed are third world. In fact Arthur Kemp does claim that every ancient civilization was created by Nordics.

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The Jewish people on the other hand survived slavery in Egypt and they are still a people...

The Egyptians also survived except that they simply practice Islam and speak Arabic. Their culture is gone but not their genetic makeup.

Quote
Also the articles you linked to do not prove your point... There is much speculation in those quotes..

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"In spite of evidence against scientific race, both Egyptologists and Afrocentric scholars often continue attempts to define the Egyptians as a member of an essentialist racial category, usually attempting to link them either to a supposed "Caucasoid" or "Negroid/Africoid" phenotype. Such models imply that the founders of pharaonic Egypt came from Sub-Saharan Africa, western Asia, or Europe/Transcaucasus. While there was some immigration from all these areas, physical anthropology has demonstrated the fundamental continuity of ancient and modern Egyptian populations."

How does that contradict the next sentence?

"While there was some immigration from all these areas, physical anthropology has demonstrated the fundamental continuity of ancient and modern Egyptian populations."

Let me say it crystal clear! Ancient Egyptians and Modern day Egyptians are not the same race!

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Let me say it crystal clear! Ancient Egyptians and Modern day Egyptians are not the same race!

What a biased, politically-motivated liar like you says is irrelevant. It takes more than just saying it. You need to prove it and you can't because any neutral scientist specializing in Egypt will tell you that based on DNA, dental studies, and skull measurements that they were biologically unrelated to Whites and so close to modern Egyptians that the difference is negligible.

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What a biased, politically-motivated liar like you says is irrelevant. It takes more than just saying it. You need to prove it and you can't because any neutral scientist specializing in Egypt will tell you that based on DNA, dental studies, and skull measurements that they were biologically unrelated to Whites and so close to modern Egyptians that the difference is negligible.
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If Arabs aren't dumb why do they smell so bad?

Modern-day Egyptians and ancient Egyptians were never biologically related to Arabians. In fact all North Africans are biologically distinct from Arabians.

Try this you moron, read my first post very carefully and click on the links I provided. After you do that try to find a reliable source that can disprove what I have proven. I sincerely doubt you can because I've done homework on this subject.

I'm going to continuously add proof to my first post.

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I'm going to continuously add proof to my first post.
Don't let the bathhouse door his your @$$ on the way out.

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I'm going to continuously add proof to my first post.
Don't let the bathhouse door his your @$$ on the way out.

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"National Alliance Troll Alert"!

Yeah right, wtf do these black loving, arab lovin scum come here for?
They have MILLIONS of websites to go hate the Jews and WORSHIP blacks and ARABS, BUZZ OFF BASTARD.

Exactly. If not for whites and Jews, both groups would have nothing. We gave both groups huge amount of money and guess what? They still hate us.
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