Author Topic: Why I Haven't Been Posting (Read 3578 times)

Lubab · « **on:** July 21, 2010, 05:43:23 PM »

It's pretty simple. I feel my views have veered from the JTF line in many respects. In what way?

Think of my world view as something more closely aligned with the views espouses by Nikmatam (minus the obsession with the Vatican).

(Parenthetically...I feel JTF's views also veered a bit from mine as I feel the JTF of 5 years ago focused more on some of these issues I care about e.g. Multi-national corps as the prime enemy, the push towards Global Government, Skull and Bones etc. there actually used to be a section on this forum called "Stop The New World Order")

So my decision until now as been to stay quiet rather than cause internal strife "there is nothing more healthy for the body than silence" say our sages.

Then I thought just recently I should at least post on Torah topics.

Well I'd like to know what YOU think?

Should I:

1. Resign as a moderator and quit the forum?

2. Only post on Torah topics?

3. Or post on all topics recognizing full well the passionate arguments that will ensue.

4. Something else?

Lubab

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks · « **Reply #1 on:** July 21, 2010, 05:44:19 PM »

Why do you feel that JTF stopped caring about multinational corporations?

AsheDina · « **Reply #2 on:** July 21, 2010, 05:46:08 PM »

Ive always liked you, I like what you say and enjoy your debate, I certainly MISS Nik a LOT.
Maybe just do what I have been doing; only post on things that will not anger you? Ignore the folks you dont really want to talk to, and sure, I LOVE your Torah.
Shalom, good to see you. : )

muman613 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 21, 2010, 05:55:31 PM »

I do not think that JTF should become an Illuminati, Vatican, NWO, or any other kind of conspiracy site... There are many other places to go for that kind of wickedness. I hope that JTF does not endorse such wackyness because it is a real waste of time and attracts some of the dregs of society. Nik really tested the boundries of sanity, IMO, and he certainly deserved being banned from JTF. He was warned many times, reinstated, and yet persisted in posting things which were rambling rants without a trace of sense. Im sorry if you like that kind of post, but reading his writing made me sick.

If we stick to the issues which relate to Jews, Judaism, and the establishment of a Kahanist government I think JTF can be successful, but I will not come to JTF to read the latest tin-hat conspiracy theories..

Lisa · « **Reply #4 on:** July 21, 2010, 06:05:34 PM »

You guys, I met Lubab and his lovely wife in person a while back. Before meeting him, I assumed he was an older man at least in his 50's, since his posts were so intelligent. Also, when I think of rabbis, the image of an old man with a gray beard automatically comes to mind. So I was shocked to meet a young man in his mid-20's. He's just as smart in person, as he's been on the forum.

As for what you should do, I would focus on the areas in which you agree with JTF. I believe you and Chaim are in agreement about the New World Order. As for 9/11 conspiracy theories, Chaim has stated he's adamantly against them. Why not just post on Torah subjects or what's going on in Israel? You don't have to agree 100% with Chaim or with other members.

Confederate Kahanist · « **Reply #5 on:** July 21, 2010, 06:12:38 PM »

Quote from: muman613 on July 21, 2010, 05:55:31 PM

I do not think that JTF should become an Illuminati, Vatican, NWO, or any other kind of conspiracy site... There are many other places to go for that kind of wickedness. I hope that JTF does not endorse such wackyness because it is a real waste of time and attracts some of the dregs of society. Nik really tested the boundries of sanity, IMO, and he certainly deserved being banned from JTF. He was warned many times, reinstated, and yet persisted in posting things which were rambling rants without a trace of sense. Im sorry if you like that kind of post, but reading his writing made me sick.

If we stick to the issues which relate to Jews, Judaism, and the establishment of a Kahanist government I think JTF can be successful, but I will not come to JTF to read the latest tin-hat conspiracy theories..

Even though conspiracy theories are fun to listen to, though I agree with you Muman since a lot of that stuff is just bogus and embarrassing.

Baltimore · « **Reply #6 on:** July 21, 2010, 06:16:47 PM »

Option #3 is by far the best. We want debate and only nazis get banned. I have a feeling that if you start to talk about the 9-11 stuff that you will be asked to give up your moderator position, but I do not think a title means much in the grand view of life.

Debate generates more life on the forum and more life on the forum generates more members and more members generate more donations and more donations generate a better world.

Bring on the debate!

JTFenthusiast2 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 21, 2010, 06:33:49 PM »

Lubab,

I have often seen your name under the heading of moderator, but have wondered who you were. I think you should stay. if you were once a moderator, then people thought your contributions worthy and your judgement sound. If you don't agree with something, then you should say it. Your voice matters.

Are there any 911 theories that dont blame Jews? The ones that blame GW Bush?

cjd · « **Reply #8 on:** July 21, 2010, 06:39:38 PM »

Hi Lubab, long time no see

I always like to see old time members who have been less active checking in... It's true the issues here on the forum are somewhat different then when we started out way back when...In some ways I am like you and miss the old format and issues we use to post about... Back then we handled a lot more American political issues and problems facing Americans.... We still have coverage on issues like that however the focus is now more on Israel... Nothing prevents posting on the old style issues its just the main interest now days runs in the new direction....Chaim sets the tone most weeks with his Ask JTF show introduction and the threads work out from there...I personally was one of the old members who bucked the tin-hat conspiracy threads... When the conspiracy starts getting into every large corporation in the world it just gets to hard to take for real.... We are now facing something that is not good at the hands of the shvartza Administration in Washington. Even with this I still feel it more the work of a small group of powerful ultra liberals and not the handy work of the Illuminati. You should return to JTF and post as you see fit... Your religious background is always an asset to have around... I think some of the milder conspiracy theories are now more acceptable for debate however in no way would I want to relive the last days of Nikmatam here on the forum.

Lubab · « **Reply #9 on:** July 21, 2010, 06:42:49 PM »

Quote from: Baltimore on July 21, 2010, 06:16:47 PM

Option #3 is by far the best. We want debate and only nazis get banned. I have a feeling that if you start to talk about the 9-11 stuff that you will be asked to give up your moderator position, but I do not think a title means much in the grand view of life.

Debate generates more life on the forum and more life on the forum generates more members and more members generate more donations and more donations generate a better world.

Bring on the debate!

Thanks Lisa and Ashe Dina for the very kind words.

Baltimore...that's really gives me a 5th option. Remove myself as moderator...and THEN talk about anything I want. I'd rather quit than be "fired". I have posted my doubts about the 9-11 official story before and I realize that puts Chaim in a very difficult spot. The whole thing makes me uncomfortable.

ChaimFan: Let's just say I don't feel the financial crimes by these mult-national banks and hedge funds are getting near the attention they deserve. I believe we have witnesses some of the greatest financial crimes in history. And I don't believe even an ASKJTF monlogue has been dedicated to the topic. Correct me if I'm wrong. But I checked in when a lot of this stuff was going down and the focus was elsewhere.

While those topics were important I really felt JTF became somewhat blind to some of the most vital issues facing the world right now.

I don't want to make JTF look bad though, that's for sure.

angryChineseKahanist · « **Reply #10 on:** July 21, 2010, 06:43:22 PM »

He holds back.
He used to say the n199er word outright.

Lubab · « **Reply #11 on:** July 21, 2010, 06:45:25 PM »

Quote from: JTFenthusiast2 on July 21, 2010, 06:33:49 PM

Lubab,

I have often seen your name under the heading of moderator, but have wondered who you were. I think you should stay. if you were once a moderator, then people thought your contributions worthy and your judgement sound. If you don't agree with something, then you should say it. Your voice matters.

Are there any 911 theories that dont blame Jews? The ones that blame GW Bush?

Thanks for that...

I certainly do not blame Jews for it. And I don't require a large group to hold my opinion in order for me to espouse it. I can pick out bits of truth wherever I find it.

JTFenthusiast2 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 21, 2010, 06:52:48 PM »

Hi Lubab,

Now I understand your concern more clearly. Yes, this kind of statement can lend itself to movements that blame Jews for any and everything. I'm not sure why you think the Mossad knew anything when presumably our gov't knew nothing. Being completely truthful, I am not sure how many of us want to relive 911 or theories that seem to blame innocent people and still surface on the net. That said, if your statements are true and your logic fair, then I think you should not hold back.
I also don't think you need to reliquish your moderator position. Your ability to be fair and just has been proven. No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Based on what Lisa and others wrote, I would look forward to getting to know you and to hear what your thoughts are on many issues

The One and Only Mo · « **Reply #13 on:** July 21, 2010, 07:10:01 PM »

Hey if you guys need an orthodox guy in his 20's to replace Lubab as a mod, I know someone

I never knew you, but you sound nice. Actually I think we have a lot in common just from reading this thread, although I follow the Shulchan Aruch and R' Moshe, but I have tremendous kavod for Chabad.

Rubystars · « **Reply #14 on:** July 21, 2010, 07:33:55 PM »

Lubab I also have an interest in those types of topics but I've felt as if I shouldn't post about them much because I don't want people to misunderstand me. Hanna helped give me information where I made a video warning that one version of Obama Care contained a phrase about a microchip/Verichip.

דוד בן זאב אריה · « **Reply #15 on:** July 21, 2010, 07:56:33 PM »

Quote from: Mo2388 on July 21, 2010, 07:10:01 PM

Hey if you guys need an orthodox guy in his 20's to replace Lubab as a mod, I know someone

I never knew you, but you sound nice. Actually I think we have a lot in common just from reading this thread, although I follow the Shulchan Aruch and R' Moshe, but I have tremendous kavod for Chabad.

We are not looking to replace Lubab.

Now in responce to the first most. I think you should stay as active here as possible with your shchedule because we need good Jews like you to help us post for us. You have a great mind and i think it could really help us.

MassuhDGoodName · « **Reply #16 on:** July 21, 2010, 08:15:06 PM »

Hey, Lubab, do I owe you money?

If so, get in line!

Spiraling Leopard · « **Reply #17 on:** July 22, 2010, 01:42:19 AM »

It's not the Jews... The Black Pope and the Jesuites are behind everything!

syyuge · « **Reply #18 on:** July 22, 2010, 02:52:41 AM »

2. Only post on Torah topics?

OR

3. Or post on all topics recognizing full well the passionate arguments that will ensue.

Well the choice is between Lubab and the forum member and management.

I was assuming him to be near 70 and so talking about conspiracies with full confidence. With everyone, the things have an opportunity to change or improve with time.

cjd · « **Reply #19 on:** July 22, 2010, 04:53:59 AM »

Quote from: Spiraling Leopard on July 22, 2010, 01:42:19 AM

It's not the Jews... The Black Pope and the Jesuites are behind everything!

Well, I believe I remember an expression Sammy Davis Jr. used from time to time in his shows " That black stuff is taking over the world"

It's to bad he didn't live to see America's first few black presidents

...My eyes must be going however because the Pope looked white to me the last time I saw him on the TV... I guess he's had the Michael Jackson process... With all that ill gotten wealth stored in the bowls of old Vatican City anything is possible

Dr. Dan · « **Reply #20 on:** July 22, 2010, 04:59:25 AM »

Lubab, one of my favorites. Now its muman

I'm bound to read your Torah views and know I'm not being mislead. You. can post any opinion you want on anything else but make sure you are clear that it is just your point of you.

I like debate on the forum as long as it is respectable. Remember when we used to debate. If I couldn't break you I simply agreed to disagree.

Lubab I'm glad you're back with us. We need more righteous religious Torah news on our forum. While you are not perfect nor is anyone else its good to have a Jew with good intentions here. Just don't forget a big responsibility for you is not to mislead Jews astray.

As far as nik that was too much illogics on this forum and hurt the movement

Kahane-Was-Right BT · « **Reply #21 on:** July 22, 2010, 07:59:10 AM »

I don't agree with the idea to step down as moderator and then speak about *Anything. I don't believe you will be allowed to spout 9/11 tomfoolery on this forum. Even if you are (because of the new banning policy) it will greatly detract from the forum. These arguments have been hashed out elsewhere, (there are hundreds of sites devoted to this!) the 'proof is in the pudding' as the saying goes, and it will be a waste of time and resources and focus for JTF'ers to have to refute the stupidity of the truth-tard arguments if they begin plastering the forum again. It has no place on this forum. I think will turn off prospective members to see it being promoted here as well. Certainly if I thought that JTF was a Kahanist organization but ALSO promoted 9/11 Troof, I don't believe I would have joined or been interested.

I would encourage you to write about things NOT-9/11 conspiracy related.

The One and Only Mo · « **Reply #22 on:** July 22, 2010, 08:44:04 AM »

Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on July 22, 2010, 07:59:10 AM

I don't agree with the idea to step down as moderator and then speak about *Anything. I don't believe you will be allowed to spout 9/11 tomfoolery on this forum. Even if you are (because of the new banning policy) it will greatly detract from the forum. These arguments have been hashed out elsewhere, (there are hundreds of sites devoted to this!) the 'proof is in the pudding' as the saying goes, and it will be a waste of time and resources and focus for JTF'ers to have to refute the stupidity of the truth-tard arguments if they begin plastering the forum again. It has no place on this forum. I think will turn off prospective members to see it being promoted here as well. Certainly if I thought that JTF was a Kahanist organization but ALSO promoted 9/11 Troof, I don't believe I would have joined or been interested.

I would encourage you to write about things NOT-9/11 conspiracy related.

Yes, I learned that the hard way.

Kahane-Was-Right BT · « **Reply #23 on:** July 22, 2010, 09:15:02 AM »

I also don't appreciate the way these types of "debates" are conducted. It's not usually an actual debate. One outlandish question is posed, and when facts, proof, and evidence are brought to answer or address the question, instead of fully examining the particular issue in question, or conceding a point, the response is usually something like "But what about X" with X being another unrelated outlandish question that according to the arguer "proves Bush did 9/11" etc. And so on. This type of correspondence shows that the person arguing has an apriori conviction about what happened and will pose whatever "questions" support that agenda, not really an openness to hearing the facts about what happened or arriving at serious plausible answers to the questions.

AsheDina · « **Reply #24 on:** July 22, 2010, 12:33:53 PM »

Lubab has always been a fabulous debater. He is even nicer in person, and a handsome young strapping chap.
The Hebew forum fight like crazy and its great. Makes for fun.
I think that Nik should come back as well as Marzutra and also Scriabin & Josh. I miss these fellows funny arguments.

This is a Jewish forum, Most Catholics are not really Vatican friendly. On Christian Jewish friendly forums, they discuss things they dont like about Judaism, and the forum that I go to once in awhile stats go up and people join, b/c of the livliness.

If Lubab thinks that 9/11 had evil undertones, Lubab lives in America, where we are allowed FREE SPEECH, even speech we dont agree with.

Maybe you should all have a Category that says, THE EVIL IN THE OLIGARCHY, UP FOR SPECULATION.