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Lubab:

--- Quote from: adam613 on May 22, 2007, 12:08:51 AM ---All I can say Lubab I guess I have a problem with that because study after study have shown that it isn't healthy to work seven days a week and be all work all the time. Why would g-d himself take a day to rest and forbid nonjews to have one day for more spiritual pursuits. They don't have to keep it the way Jews do but I can't honestly belive that it would be a sin for a nonjew to have a day to reflect on other matters other then work.


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I'm sure Noachides can take a day off for health reasons and to rejuvinate as you say because this is neccsary for anyone who works as you say correctly.  But I think it is a problem if it is a particular day set aside to rest for religious reasons.  I will check into this for you G-d willing.

There is scriptual support for this prohibition against gentiles keeping the Sabbath, though I don't know it off hand I will try to check that for you as well at another time. 

New Edit: The scriptual support for Noachides not being allowed to take a Sabbath full day break from work (even if it's taken on a weekday) comes from Genesis (Bereishis) 8:22 where it says "Day and night, you shall not rest" (though there are other meanings to this verse, this is one of them).

Lubab:

--- Quote from: adam613 on May 22, 2007, 12:08:51 AM ---
And as I said to begin with the whole concept is Rabbinic based on fears related to Christians at that time. There is no where in the Tanach that it says anything near to the sense that it is forbidden to keep the Shabbos nor do I see any Rabbi bring biblical proof to this fact unless I missed something here. To satisfy the Rabbi's you can turn one light on or drive or whatever but still to take one day easier then the rest of the week and not devote it to work but to other ideas at least in my opinion I can't see what the problem is.

Finally sad to say Lubab that some Rabbi's do seem to try to create rifts between different people (men and women, jew and nonjew) becuase of their own insecurities. I have had a lot of HORRIFIC EXPERIENCES WITH RABBI'S. I was dating a women who converted about 9 month ago. Her father was Jewish her mothers wasn't. Anyway the Rabbi's asked her WHY RABBI"S RULE THAT HAVING CHILDREN IS THE MAN'S MITZVAH. Which of course they wanted her to say because men don't care about having children and woman do want children. They want her to think men are terrible. Why do they focus on a Rabbinic thing like that our of all issues. Would they focus on a Rabbinic saying that was negative on women? Why focus on this out of all things. It doesn't really matter anyway. I didn't even know this until a few years ago. Why do the Rabbi's focus on something as minor as this. I think it is just to bash the men and teach women to hate men so they can run to the Rabbi's? They are frightened by other men. As I said in the end it's academic anyway because it requires a man and a woman to have a child anyway and if women don't want children men can't have children and if g-d asks the man why he didn't have a child and he tried and woman he dated didn't want children I would think the women are going to be held responsible for that for. If you prevent someone for fulfilling a command you are responsible for that. Of course if Rabbi's are  brainwashing the women they will also be held responsible. I also did mention the fact below on menstration why women are considered impure during the time of menstration and the reasoning seems very consistant with other biblical principles in interpreting the Torah.

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I'm afraid I'm not equipped to deal with all of these issues you bring up. But I sense that you have doubts about following "the Rabbis" and question their motivations. I would just remind you that following the legal rulings of the Rabbis is BIBLICALLY mandated (Deuteronomy 17:11) and we must not veer from them "left or right".  Now, we can talk about who is truly a "Rabbi", but that is another discussion. If it is true Rabbi, the Bible commands we must listen and G-d will actually defer the way He feels the law should be and says the law will be like the Rabbi said, not like Me. Their ruling becomes the right one, no matter what because G-d gave it over to them to decide.

This is the way G-d wants the Torah to operate, and I think He knows what he's doing. So in this sense, true Rabbis have Biblical authority to what they say and G-d Himself vouches for their rulings. I'm sorry you had a bad experience, but in Judaism isn't not up to us, the Torah decides what's right and wrong and the Torah gave it over to the Rabbis. If you don't like it, you're going to have to complain to G-d about it.

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