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Re: Pentagon warns against Qu'ran burning
« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2010, 03:22:29 AM »
Zelhar, there are many ways to make war against Islam without needing to burn a book.

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Re: Pentagon warns against Qu'ran burning
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2010, 05:21:12 AM »
Jews or Noahides aren't part of that protest as far as I know. I think it's a church holding the event, so who cares Raul?

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Re: Pentagon warns against Qu'ran burning
« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2010, 05:27:30 AM »
The Quran has the Name A-llah written on it.

So?

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The simple fact that they claim to do is enough a reason not to burn it.

So maybe we shouldn't have burnt down the stages of the Caanites and others. Their book is a desecration of G-D's Name and their elimination is sanctification of it.

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Also, Arabic speaking Jews really say A-llah to refer to G-d sometimes.

Yes but it is only because the Muslims forced them to do so it back in the Muslim Exile. Allah is NOT G-D's Name.
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Re: Pentagon warns against Qu'ran burning
« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2010, 05:46:05 AM »
Regarding the

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Do not burn Qur'an the Muslims will f*ck us

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Re: Pentagon warns against Qu'ran burning
« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2010, 06:04:51 AM »
Does it bother you that you have to face the dome and the rock to say the sh'ma?

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Re: Pentagon warns against Qu'ran burning
« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2010, 10:58:04 AM »
Recycle the ashes in to better mundane forms.
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Re: Pentagon warns against Qu'ran burning
« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2010, 10:59:47 AM »
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Burning a koran doesn't hurt muslims.

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Re: Pentagon warns against Qu'ran burning
« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2010, 11:11:42 AM »
How is she blaming the Jews?  She just said something about people of all faiths condemning the koran burning.

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Re: Pentagon warns against Qu'ran burning
« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2010, 11:48:14 AM »
The very fact that muslims worldwide will react violently to this is just further proof of what islam really is: a religion that justifies violence and the killing of innocent people.

I am well aware that the history of Christianity is far from spotless.  But in all cases I know of, when a christian cult went bad it resulted in ruin.  In the case of islam, imo, violence is embedded in the religion itself.

That being said, I really don't think burning korans will help anything, but last time I checked the man has the right to do it, but that could change.  I'm almost willing to bet that someone will call this a hate crime.

Then again, when I watch video of 9-11, I could easily shred a koran (with gloves on) and mix it with hog slop.

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Re: Pentagon warns against Qu'ran burning
« Reply #35 on: September 08, 2010, 12:00:24 PM »
Islam is not a religion.It is a political ideology.We should establish the burn the quran day as a national holiday.Especially at scholl so our young will know who are the enemy.
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Re: Pentagon warns against Qu'ran burning
« Reply #36 on: September 08, 2010, 12:33:35 PM »
This country needs the patriotism and backbone that it had in WW2. There should be cartoons and movies being made showing Muslims as villains, Muslims should be interred as internal enemies, no matter how many generations here, or deported. Calling someone a Muslim should automatically mean to everyone present that they're a very bad person and not to be trusted.

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Re: Pentagon warns against Qu'ran burning
« Reply #37 on: September 08, 2010, 02:12:34 PM »
I like the idea of a 'burn the Koran' day, but it would be better if it was 9/12 instead of 9/11.  9/11 should remain as a day of remembering and memorializing, and 9/12 could be a day of action.

Also, what about making this into a week?  or a month?   Koran burning awareness month.  There could be specials on how to safely burn a Koran without inhaling the toxic Koranic fumes.


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Re: Pentagon warns against Qu'ran burning
« Reply #38 on: September 08, 2010, 02:31:34 PM »
This pure b.s by Petraeus.  The terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan have always wanted to torture and kill as many American soldiers as possible.  The result of the koran burning, if law enforcement allows it to happen, will be large, possibly violent, Muslim protests throughout cities all over the world with large Muslim populations. 

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Re: Pentagon warns against Qu'ran burning
« Reply #39 on: September 08, 2010, 02:57:16 PM »
The poor Pastor's  Church leader in Germany is kicking him out 


http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100908/pl_yblog_upshot/even-pastors-old-church-condemns-quran-burning 









It's increasingly looking as though the only spiritual or political figure who will not denounce Florida pastor Terry Jones' plan to commemorate Sept. 11 by burning copies of the Quran is Jones himself. Wednesday brings the news that even the church Jones founded in Germany in the 1980s  is condemning the upcoming Quran-burning at his small place of worship in Gainesville, Fla.

"We are surprised and shocked at the extreme radicalism being displayed [by Jones] right now on this issue," Stephan Baar of the Christian Community of Cologne told the Associated Press. The 60-member church kicked out Jones in 2008. Jones' estranged daughter says the eviction arose from her father's reported penchant for dipping into the church's till to pay his own expenses.

Jones' wish to burn hundreds of copies of the Islamic holy book has drawn a wide chorus of protests. Gen. David Petraeus said on Monday the action could hurt U.S. troops, while hundreds of Afghans protested in Kabul and burned Jones in effigy. The Gainesville Fire Department has denied Jones a permit for the event -- but the pastor says he plans to go ahead with it anyway.

Indeed, so many high-profile people have spoken out against the plan that they may now outnumber the fringe church's 50-member congregation, raising the question of whether the condemnations are magnifying the cause of a very small group of extremists.

Here's a partial list of people who have condemned the planned bonfire:

    * "It could endanger troops and it could endanger the overall effort," top commander in Afghanistan Gen. David Petraeus told the media. "It is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems.

    * As "an act of patriotism," the media should not cover the burning, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said. She also said, "It's regrettable that a pastor in Gainesville, Florida, with a church of no more than 50 people can make this outrageous and distressful, disgraceful plan, and get the world's attentio
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Re: Pentagon warns against Qu'ran burning
« Reply #40 on: September 08, 2010, 03:16:09 PM »
i only support "burn quran followers day", rest all is useless.

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Re: Pentagon warns against Qu'ran burning
« Reply #41 on: September 08, 2010, 03:21:38 PM »
The media is treating this poor pastor as if he is Adolf Hitler reborn. The liberal media will probably end up being angrier about this than the muslims!  :::D They are literally treating him as if he was Satan.
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Re: Pentagon warns against Qu'ran burning
« Reply #42 on: September 08, 2010, 03:24:02 PM »
http://www.doveworld.org/blog/ten-reasons-to-burn-a-koran   







Ten Reasons to Burn a Koran

By Fran Ingram - Posted on 02 September 2010

On 9/11/10 we are burning Korans to raise awareness and warn. In a sense it is neither an act of love nor of hate. We see, as we state in the Ten Reasons below, that Islam is a danger. We are using this act to warn about the teaching and ideology of Islam, which we do hate as it is hateful. We do not hate any people, however. We love, as G-d loves, all the people in the world and we want them to come to a knowledge of the truth. To warn of danger and harm is a loving act. G-d is love and truth. If you know the truth it can set you free. The world is in bondage to the massive grip of the lies of Islam. These are:

One

The Koran teaches that Jesus Christ, the Crucified, Risen Son of G-d, King of Kings and Lord of Lords was NOT the Son of G-d, nor was he crucified (a well documented historical fact that ONLY Islam denies). This teaching removes the possibility of salvation and eternal life in heaven for all Islam's believers. They face eternal damnation in hell if they do not repent.

Two

The Koran does not have an eternal origin. It is not recorded in heaven. The Almighty G-d, Creator of the World, is NOT it's source. It is not holy. It's writings are human in origin, a concoction of old and new teachings. This has been stated and restated for centuries by scholars since Islam's beginnings, both Moslem and non-Moslem.

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The Koran's teaching includes Arabian idolatry, paganism, rites and rituals. These are demonic, an ongoing satanic stronghold under which Moslems and the world suffer.

Four

The earliest writings that are known to exist about the Prophet Mohammad were recorded 120 years after his death. All of the Islamic writings (the Koran and the Hadith, the biographies, the traditions and histories) are confused, contradictory and inconsistent. Maybe Mohammad never existed. We have no conclusive account about what he said or did. Yet Moslems follow the destructive teachings of Islam without question.

Five

Mohammad's life and message cannot be respected. The first Meccan period of his leadership seems to have been religiously motivated and a search for the truth. But in the second Medina period he was "corrupted by power and worldly ambitions." (Ibn Warraq) These are characteristics that G-d hates. They also led to political assassinations and massacres which continue to be carried out on a regular basis by his followers today. 

Six

Islamic Law is totalitarian in nature. There is no separation of church and state. It is irrational. It is supposedly immutable and cannot be changed. It must be accepted without criticism. It has many similarities to Nazism, Communism and Fascism. It is not compatible with Western Civilization.

Seven

Islam is not compatible with democracy and human rights. The notion of a moral individual capable of making decisions and taking responsibility for them does not exist in Islam. The attitude towards women in Islam as inferior possessions of men has led to countless cases of mistreatment and abuse for which Moslem men receive little or no punishment, and in many cases are encouraged to commit such acts, and are even praised for them. This is a direct fruit of the teachings of the Koran.

Eight

A Muslim does not have the right to change his religion. Apostasy is punishable by death.

Nine

Deep in the Islamic teaching and culture is the irrational fear and loathing of the West.

Ten

Islam is a weapon of Arab imperialism and Islamic colonialism. Wherever Islam has or gains political power, Christians, Jews and all non-Moslems receive persecution, discrimination, are forced to convert. There are massacres and churches, synagogues, temples and other places of worship are destroyed.

    From Acts 19 (Amplified)

         18Many also of those who were now believers came making full confession and thoroughly exposing their [former deceptive and evil] practices.

        19And many of those who had practiced curious, magical arts collected their books and [throwing them, book after book, on the pile] burned them in the sight of everybody. When they counted the value of them, they found it amounted to 50,000 pieces of silver (about $9,300).

        20Thus the Word of the Lord [concerning the attainment through Christ of eternal salvation in the kingdom of G-d] grew and spread and intensified, prevailing mightily.

Like the Christians in Acts 19, we are publicly burning a book that is demonic. Many of our greatest supporters are ex-Moslems. They know these evils first hand. We are not, like the Nazis, stealing books, destroying properties or harming any people. We are not Nazis nor are we like Nazis. The Christians in Acts 19 did not go on from their scroll burning to harm anyone. They used the public burning as an opportunity, a demonstration to preach the truth. Only to preach and leave the decision of whether to follow the truth or not.

Do not forget POINT SIX. Islam (not us) is totalitarian in nature, like Nazism, Communism, and Fascism. This evil nature of Islam needs to be seen. Moslems around the world burn and kill on a regular basis, every week, properties and people. All you have to do is follow the news. The many death threats we are receiving, the warnings about terror attacks also prove our point. Do Christians make these threats when Bibles or churches are burned? No.

We have fallen asleep since 9/11/01 and have been hoodwinked by the growth of a (for now) non violent Islam. Shall we give in to threats, then, and allow Islam to grow in America unopposed? We at Dove World Outreach Center will not, even if it costs us our lives. For those who support us, we say thank you for standing with us in courage. For those who oppose us, we say wake up and do not give in to the fear and lies!

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For more on Islam and the Burn a Koran Day, see our blog and leave comments here:  http://islamisofthedevil.com/blog

Some more thoughts:

Are there other dangers and evils in the world? Of course. There are many we could and do address, but at this time we have a vision and a call to confront this great danger. Are there a lot of reasons NOT to do what we are doing? Yes, people have written and called with many reasons. I am sure the great men and women of faith in Hebrews 11 heard and thought of many reasons not to follow G-d’s word. But they followed G-d’s word.

“Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.” Hebrews 11:1

We are sure that the world needs to see this warning about the teachings of Islam at this time, in this way. We are certain of G-d’s plan for us here and now.

For those that argue that we are not qualified to make the assertions about Islam that we do, this is ridiculous. We know what the Bible says about evil and the devil’s work and plans. Islam and the Koran clearly discredits itself. What we say about Islam has been said by many others. We may be the only organization burning Korans, but we are not alone in stating the Ten Reasons why the Koran is dangerous.

We follow the work of many men and women of courage who are also putting their lives at risk to expose the evils of Islam. Islam simply hates public criticism, whether your burn Korans or not. Some are ex-Moslems, now Christian: Walid Shoebat, Nonie Darwish, Mosab Hassan Yousef, Nabil Quereshi, Simon Deng. Other ex-Moslems are: Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Wafa Sultan, Ibn Warraq, Brigitte Gabriel. Then there are many Christians, Jews and atheists writing, speaking and publishing on websites: Geert Wilders, Mark Steyn, Norman Podhoretz, Chris Logan, David Wood, Robert Spencer, Pamella Geller, Bill Warner, David Horowitz, Daniel Greenfield, thereligionofpeace.com, Creeping Sharia, Answering Islam, Acts 17 Apologetics, and many more.
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http://www.doveworld.org/blog/5-more-reasons-to-burn-the-koran
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Re: Pentagon warns against Qu'ran burning
« Reply #43 on: September 08, 2010, 03:46:30 PM »
Raul, some people consider satan (the devil) to be G-d and worship him as such. Look up Theistic Satanism--it is a real monotheistic religion. Does this mean that the name of satan is holy?

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« Reply #44 on: September 08, 2010, 04:01:03 PM »
Five points Jones makes are even worse than Islam itself.
1- Jews also reject Jesus, so will he also try to burn the Talmud on the basis that non-Christian books condemn people to hell? Chas Veshalom!
2-According to Christians (and many other religions) the Oral Law is also man made. Again what's next?
3- Koran has Arabian idol worship? Probably. But again, some Christians (also some non- Rabbinical Jews like Karaim, and Tzadokim in the past) held that the Oral Law and Jewish rituals not stated in the Written Torah are pagan.
4- Koran has contradictions? Obviously. But that does not concern us. What must really concern us is that it teaches violence against us. If we start burning books just for finding them inaccurate, noone is safe.
6- Koran is dangerous just because it's believed to be immutable? Then what is he going to do with the Torah? (and his own Bible)

Reading his arguments, I see that this right wing intolerant is as dangerous as Muslim terrorists!

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Re: Pentagon warns against Qu'ran burning
« Reply #45 on: September 08, 2010, 04:09:27 PM »
Five points Jones makes are even worse than Islam itself.
1- Jews also reject Jesus, so will he also try to burn the Talmud on the basis that non-Christian books condemn people to hell? Chas Veshalom!
2-According to Christians (and many other religions) the Oral Law is also man made. Again what's next?
3- Koran has Arabian idol worship? Probably. But again, some Christians (also some non- Rabbinical Jews like Karaim, and Tzadokim in the past) held that the Oral Law and Jewish rituals not stated in the Written Torah are pagan.
4- Koran has contradictions? Obviously. But that does not concern us. What must really concern us is that it teaches violence against us. If we start burning books just for finding them inaccurate, noone is safe.
6- Koran is dangerous just because it's believed to be immutable? Then what is he going to do with the Torah? (and his own Bible)

Reading his arguments, I see that this right wing intolerant is as dangerous as Muslim terrorists!
Raul, you have the right to say what you are saying, just like the left has the right to condemn this. I also have the right to say that you're crazy.

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« Reply #46 on: September 08, 2010, 04:19:11 PM »
Five points Jones makes are even worse than Islam itself.
1- Jews also reject Jesus, so will he also try to burn the Talmud on the basis that non-Christian books condemn people to hell? Chas Veshalom!
2-According to Christians (and many other religions) the Oral Law is also man made. Again what's next?
3- Koran has Arabian idol worship? Probably. But again, some Christians (also some non- Rabbinical Jews like Karaim, and Tzadokim in the past) held that the Oral Law and Jewish rituals not stated in the Written Torah are pagan.
4- Koran has contradictions? Obviously. But that does not concern us. What must really concern us is that it teaches violence against us. If we start burning books just for finding them inaccurate, noone is safe.
6- Koran is dangerous just because it's believed to be immutable? Then what is he going to do with the Torah? (and his own Bible)

Reading his arguments, I see that this right wing intolerant is as dangerous as Muslim terrorists!
Raul, you have the right to say what you are saying, just like the left has the right to condemn this. I also have the right to say that you're crazy.

Are you Jewish? Don't you realise that, if he is saying that Koran must be burnt because it does not acknowledge Jesus, he is implying the same about the Talmud? It reminds me of Inquisition burning Jewish books! Judging by what he says, he is not burning the Koran for enticing to violence but just for not agreeing with his beliefs.

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Re: Pentagon warns against Qu'ran burning
« Reply #47 on: September 08, 2010, 04:21:56 PM »
Are you Jewish? Don't you realise that, if he is saying that Koran must be burnt because it does not acknowledge Jesus, he is implying the same about the Talmud? It reminds me of Inquisition burning Jewish books! Judging by what he says, he is not burning the Koran for enticing to violence but just for not agreeing with his beliefs.
Where did he say that Jewish scripture deserves to be burned? He did not say that. You are imagining that he believes that in order to advance your crazy argument.

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« Reply #48 on: September 08, 2010, 04:28:23 PM »
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The Koran teaches that Jesus Christ, the Crucified, Risen Son of G-d, King of Kings and Lord of Lords was NOT the Son of G-d, nor was he crucified (a well documented historical fact that ONLY Islam denies). This teaching removes the possibility of salvation and eternal life in heaven for all Islam's believers. They face eternal damnation in hell if they do not repent.


Just re-read his point. As a Noahide, and also as a supporter of freedom, that words sound quite offensive to me.

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Re: Pentagon warns against Qu'ran burning
« Reply #49 on: September 08, 2010, 05:53:18 PM »
Hitlery is blaming the Jews for this.

http://cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2010/09/07/sot.clinton.iftar.dinner.cnn

Actually, I think she is forcing them to consider their own Jew hatred by drawing the analogy