State of Judea - Yes or No?

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

Please explain your vote.

[Ulli]

 As there were Juda and Israel, it went down. United under king David and king Salomo the land florrished. So you should work on  it to have one Jewish state in the boarders that the bible states.

[voo-yo]

If Israeli government decides to give it to Arabs, then settlers should proclaim an independent state.

[Manch]

I am against it for many reasons. Some of them is that divided people are less likely to fail. I am against any partition in the land of Israel.

[TheCoon]

If Israeli government decides to give it to Arabs, then settlers should proclaim an independent state.

It's not a good idea because the Israeli government would turn the military against Jews in Judea and destroy their communities. They've already proven they will do it from what happened in Gaza.

[david1967]

Ditto, Coon; Unfortunately, you're right.

[Dr. Dan]

Yisrael should be kol echad... Big big mistake to have two different Jewish states.

[voo-yo]

I am against it for many reasons. Some of them is that divided people are less likely to fail. I am against any partition in the land of Israel.

Of course there shouldn't be any partition. But if Israel gives up the territories in exchange for "peace", settlers have no other choice.

If Israeli government decides to give it to Arabs, then settlers should proclaim an independent state.

It's not a good idea because the Israeli government would turn the military against Jews in Judea and destroy their communities. They've already proven they will do it from what happened in Gaza.

Jews must not accept peaceful evacuation. If settlers resist, IDF won't have the manpower and will to expel them.

[Ari Ben-Canaan]

Yes.  Independent Judah [armed by Israel before establishment] allows Jews to handle the Muslim threat in the land once and for all with no legal finger to point at Israel.  Who would Israel rather have as neighbors, Muslims shooting rockets into their country, or religious Jews who keep the Muslim horde at bay?  Eventually Israel will have a larger Orthodox population given that the birthrate of the Haredi is much higher than secular Israelis; perhaps then reconciliation would be possible. -- If Judah receives aid from Israel [because the rest of the world would ostracize Judah], Judah can do things Israel is afraid to do.

[Dr. Dan]

Yes.  Independent Judah [armed by Israel before establishment] allows Jews to handle the Muslim threat in the land once and for all with no legal finger to point at Israel.  Who would Israel rather have as neighbors, Muslims shooting rockets into their country, or religious Jews who keep the Muslim horde at bay?  Eventually Israel will have a larger Orthodox population given that the birthrate of the Haredi is much higher than secular Israelis; perhaps then reconciliation would be possible. -- If Judah receives aid from Israel [because the rest of the world would ostracize Judah], Judah can do things Israel is afraid to do.

If a partition were to take place I would hope for this scenario.

[syyuge]

I never read split states being successful.

[Rubystars]

No, Israel is already too small, it needs to go from the Nile to the Euphrates, and all be one country, not split into two or more.

[TruthSpreader]

We need more than Judea to survive. We need the whole from the Sinai to where Iraq is now.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Yes, it looks like this may be the best way to foil the antisemitic plans of Bibi and the Israeli regime to throw the Jews out of Judea for the creation of an arab nazi state. 

They are not willing to face casualties and actual violence in such an affair.  Gaza worked because Jews did not resist and did not put up violence in self-defense.   With violent self-defense, it is a completely different story. 

Needless to say, every state has a defense apparatus, a military, etc.   Certainly not much needs to be elaborated on this point.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

If Israeli government decides to give it to Arabs, then settlers should proclaim an independent state.

It's not a good idea because the Israeli government would turn the military against Jews in Judea and destroy their communities. They've already proven they will do it from what happened in Gaza.

Like they turns the military against the arabs in Judea and destroy their communities?

What was proven in Gaza has no relation to an actual Jewish state of Judea because there are several steps that occur before that state is declared, and these steps make the Israeli regime capitulate to the Jews like they do to the Arabs.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Yes.  Independent Judah [armed by Israel before establishment] allows Jews to handle the Muslim threat in the land once and for all with no legal finger to point at Israel.  Who would Israel rather have as neighbors, Muslims shooting rockets into their country, or religious Jews who keep the Muslim horde at bay?  Eventually Israel will have a larger Orthodox population given that the birthrate of the Haredi is much higher than secular Israelis; perhaps then reconciliation would be possible. -- If Judah receives aid from Israel [because the rest of the world would ostracize Judah], Judah can do things Israel is afraid to do.

That's sort of the brilliance of it all.  Even the evil israeli regime, and whatever percentage of the seculars who will resent the judean state, have something to gain from this...   

[JTFenthusiast2]

I'm with KWRBT.

[takebackourtemple]

   All Jews should live in Israel. Given that we are not all tzadikim, the ones who live to a higher standard should live in the center and the ones that follow in their light should be around them, so I support the idea of two independent Jewish states where Jerusalem is run by real torah law..

[MassuhDGoodName]

Another beautiful thing to consider:

Arabs commit terror and acts of war against Jews and all others, claiming what doesn't belong to them is rightfully theirs.

In an attempt to mollify and pacify them, the foolish Jews agree to enter into negotiations with the Arab, promising to "make painful concessions" so that a permanent peace will result.

So then the Arab, having publicly promised to end all violence against the Jews and all others in exchange for "peace negotiations", continue to commit endless acts of terror and war against Jews and all others, demanding that either the Arab gets everything they want in advance before talks begin, or they will refuse to stop their ongoing acts of terror and war against Jews and all others which they already had promised to do; even publicly signing an internationally recognized formal Treaty on the White House lawn back on September 13th, 1993.

It is now proven beyond even the shadow of doubt that even If the Arab were to get 100% of what he demands, he would immediately commit endless acts of terror and war against Jews and all others.

THE ONLY SOLUTION -- THROW EACH AND EVERY ARAB OUT OF THE LAND OF ISRAEL NOW!

AND DEPORT ALONG WITH THEM EACH AND EVERY ISRAELI POLITICIAN WHO HAVE BOTH BUILT THEIR CAREERS AS WELL AS EARNED THEIR PERSONAL FORTUNES BY "NEGOTIATING" WITH TERRORISTS; THUS COMMITTING TREASON AGAINST THE JEWISH PEOPLE.

There is EVERYTHING to be gained by deporting them, and nothing to fear from it other than Arabs committing endless acts of terror and war against Jews and all other people.

NO ARABS, NO TERROR!

How much more simple does it get?

[Ari Ben-Canaan]

Another beautiful thing to consider:

Arabs commit terror and acts of war against Jews and all others, claiming what doesn't belong to them is rightfully theirs.

In an attempt to mollify and pacify them, the foolish Jews agree to enter into negotiations with the Arab, promising to "make painful concessions" so that a permanent peace will result.

So then the Arab, having publicly promised to end all violence against the Jews and all others in exchange for "peace negotiations", continue to commit endless acts of terror and war against Jews and all others, demanding that either the Arab gets everything they want in advance before talks begin, or they will refuse to stop their ongoing acts of terror and war against Jews and all others which they already had promised to do; even publicly signing an internationally recognized formal Treaty on the White House lawn back on September 13th, 1993.

It is now proven beyond even the shadow of doubt that even If the Arab were to get 100% of what he demands, he would immediately commit endless acts of terror and war against Jews and all others.

THE ONLY SOLUTION -- THROW EACH AND EVERY ARAB OUT OF THE LAND OF ISRAEL NOW!

AND DEPORT ALONG WITH THEM EACH AND EVERY ISRAELI POLITICIAN WHO HAVE BOTH BUILT THEIR CAREERS AS WELL AS EARNED THEIR PERSONAL FORTUNES BY "NEGOTIATING" WITH TERRORISTS; THUS COMMITTING TREASON AGAINST THE JEWISH PEOPLE.

There is EVERYTHING to be gained by deporting them, and nothing to fear from it other than Arabs committing endless acts of terror and war against Jews and all other people.

NO ARABS, NO TERROR!

How much more simple does it get?

This would be good too, even better actually.

[Chai]

Splitting Israel into secular and religious does seem interesting. The question is what to the settlers have against the secular army of Israel? We do know G-d does not intervene , because he did not help the setters with Sharon . Pm Sharom had the stroke after he caused damage not before lol. We dont need vengeance from G-d against our enemies when all is already lost  we need help so it does not happen. Hope hes listing.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Splitting Israel into secular and religious does seem interesting. The question is what to the settlers have against the secular army of Israel? We do know G-d does not intervene , because he did not help the setters with Sharon . Pm Sharom had the stroke after he caused damage not before lol. We dont need vengeance from G-d against our enemies when all is already lost  we need help so it does not happen. Hope hes listing.

As Moshe Feiglin said, it is time to "demand our 2/3"

Religious zionists make up 2/3 of combat soldiers, so in the case of a split, in the right situation with the right leverage and propaganda etc, the settlements would need to demand 2/3 of army equipment rightfully owed to them by the state.  This includes tanks, artillery, and all the advanced equipment they will need to stave off the muslim hordes.

[Chai]

Splitting Israel into secular and religious does seem interesting. The question is what to the settlers have against the secular army of Israel? We do know G-d does not intervene , because he did not help the setters with Sharon . Pm Sharom had the stroke after he caused damage not before lol. We dont need vengeance from G-d against our enemies when all is already lost  we need help so it does not happen. Hope hes listing.

As Moshe Feiglin said, it is time to "demand our 2/3"

Religious zionists make up 2/3 of combat soldiers, so in the case of a split, in the right situation with the right leverage and propaganda etc, the settlements would need to demand 2/3 of army equipment rightfully owed to them by the state.  This includes tanks, artillery, and all the advanced equipment they will need to stave off the muslim hordes.

Do you think a civil war is possible then? I think the world will really go against a real state of Israel , maybe thats the final test. We all know how god loves those! lol

[Meerkat]

lets face it, 2 jews-5 opinions.

how about we just have a federation. where the main government handles the really important stuff, like borders, wars, foreign policy, naturalization/aliyah, currency, and have the provinces do everything else. we can have the religious people of judea-samaria have a religious government, and the leftists of tel-aviv have a leftist government.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Splitting Israel into secular and religious does seem interesting. The question is what to the settlers have against the secular army of Israel? We do know G-d does not intervene , because he did not help the setters with Sharon . Pm Sharom had the stroke after he caused damage not before lol. We dont need vengeance from G-d against our enemies when all is already lost  we need help so it does not happen. Hope hes listing.

As Moshe Feiglin said, it is time to "demand our 2/3"

Religious zionists make up 2/3 of combat soldiers, so in the case of a split, in the right situation with the right leverage and propaganda etc, the settlements would need to demand 2/3 of army equipment rightfully owed to them by the state.  This includes tanks, artillery, and all the advanced equipment they will need to stave off the muslim hordes.

Do you think a civil war is possible then? I think the world will really go against a real state of Israel , maybe thats the final test. We all know how G-d loves those! lol

Hopefully it would never come to a civil war, and a proper plan for partition and a resistance cell will prevent the need for that since it would be a disaster and enable the arabs to destroy us.   To be clear, the Israeli regime would be handing over this weaponry to the Jews as the alternative to handing it over to the arabs, and the demand would be made in light of the fact that a large part of the army would be defecting from the IDF with its representative operational political wing making this request/demand for arms along with this. 

If a civil war breaks out, that could be our end chas veshalom.  Hopefully a plan like this implemented properly would have as one of its goals the prevention of a civil war.   Currently, we are on path for a civil war type scenario (although one side is basically allowing itself to be killed by the Israeli regime).  That definitely needs to change, state of Judea or no state of Judea.