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MassuhDGoodName:
Re: "it is logical that any sentient being other than G-d makes mistakes. "
Well, if G-d created sentient beings who make mistakes, doesn't it stand to reason that G-d must therefore have to at least once made a mistake, in order to know what a mistake is so He can create it?
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muman613:
--- Quote from: MassuhDGoodName on October 06, 2010, 04:00:01 PM ---Re: "it is logical that any sentient being other than G-d makes mistakes. "
Well, if G-d created sentient beings who make mistakes, doesn't it stand to reason that G-d must therefore have to at least once made a mistake, in order to know what a mistake is so He can create it?
:teach:
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The first 'mistake' is what brought death into the world. Assisted by the external Yetzer Hara of Chava embodied in the serpent...
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Zelhar on October 06, 2010, 03:50:44 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dan Ben Noah on October 06, 2010, 02:33:08 PM ---What about passages like the following from Job? Keep in mind that Job had to deal with Satan.
Job 18 If G-d places no trust in his servants,
if he charges his angels with error,
19 how much more those who live in houses of clay,
whose foundations are in the dust,
who are crushed more readily than a moth!
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Job is a book about doubts and reassurance of faith. I think the whole thing about Satan arguing with G-d about Job is metaphoric.
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I agree.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Dan Ben Noah on October 06, 2010, 02:52:34 PM ---The Jewish belief is that angels are created specifically to do G-d's bidding, they have no free will. So saying that G-d found error in the angels would mean that they are imperfect, which either means they chose to do wrong or that G-d made them incorrectly.
And there is no passage in the Tanach about the angels being rebuked for rejoicing at drowning Egyptians to my knowledge.
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I'm pretty sure it's a midrash. And its authors were chazal. The same chazal who also read and understood Job and canonized it!
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: MassuhDGoodName on October 06, 2010, 04:00:01 PM ---Re: "it is logical that any sentient being other than G-d makes mistakes. "
Well, if G-d created sentient beings who make mistakes, doesn't it stand to reason that G-d must therefore have to at least once made a mistake, in order to know what a mistake is so He can create it?
:teach:
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Why does God have to make a mistake in order to know what a mistake is? Things can be known without first being experienced.
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