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Harzel:
--- Quote from: Dan Ben Noah on October 06, 2010, 07:51:31 PM ---Interesting about the bnei Hashem that spawned the nefilim. That may indeed be related to the fallen angel idea of Job 4, even though a different word is used there (malachav, which means "his angels"). Bnei Hashem is sometimes used in the Tanach to refer to angels. But all this is just more proof that there are spiritual beings that sin. If true, this would not be G-d's mistake, but part of G-d's plan, because G-d created evil:
Isaiah 45:7. Who forms light and creates darkness, Who makes peace and creates evil; I am the Lord, Who makes all these.
I think there are actually some strains of Judaism that believe in these demons or fallen angels, but unfortunately it is not mainstream enough.
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I think the passages in Genesis about the Nefilim are more challenging to understanding than the passages you brought before from Job. The passages from Job simply states that even angels can make mistakes.
Regarding the Nephilim, and their origins, there is no consensus in Judaism. Some indeed believe them to be the product of angels who took human wives. But there are other who explain them as sons Of Sheth who took wives from the daughters of Kain. And there are other explanations as well.
PS: for the Hebrew readers among you:
http://www.kipa.co.il/jew/show.asp?id=2062
http://tora.us.fm/tnk1/kma/qjrim1/bn1.html
http://tora.us.fm/tnk1/messages/5597.html
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MassuhDGoodName
G-d is outside of time; you can not compare his knowledge of actions and things that he has to our knowledge of things, since we are bound by time and our wisdom does not work on the same basis as G-d's wisdom.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Dan Ben Noah on October 06, 2010, 06:45:15 PM ---First of all, it's funny that you are willing to say that G-d made a mistake before saying that there can be fallen angels.
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What? Where did I say God made a mistake?
Please try to keep this discussion civil and do not ascribe views to me that I did not express.
MassuhDGoodName:
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MassuhDGoodName
G-d is outside of time; you can not compare his knowledge of actions and things that he has to our knowledge of things, since we are bound by time and our wisdom does not work on the same basis as G-d's wisdom. "
So you agree with me! :)
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: MassuhDGoodName on October 06, 2010, 07:25:55 PM ---
"If a thing has never existed, it therefore can not be known, because at the very moment in time that it is conceived of, even as a thought, it therefore does already exist and is thus known.
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Maybe for humans, but G-d can know something before it exists because He exists beyond time.
--- Quote ---All this talk people always say like "Only G-d is Perfect!" or "It's impossible for G-d to make a mistake!" is just a bunch of ridiculousness because being Omniscient, Omnipotent, Eternal, and Unchanging, doesn't in any way infer some proof that a Supreme Being is incapable of making a Supreme Mistake!
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If something/someone is truly omniscient why would it/He make a mistake? He would know what will result. Unless by 'all-knowing' you mean only "partially-knowing?"
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