The Ongoing Debates with Imerica

[ftf]

My point is what's the point in using the word in the first place? It's just the literal translation of "black" into a different language yiddish. So why are we using it, yiddish isn't the language we are speaking, so why use a yiidish word at all?

I'd be comfortable with black or even Negro (which is Spanish for black) instead of being called a '[censored]'er' , 'coon', or 'ape'. There is a reason why I haven't called any of you Hymies or Diamond Merchants because I don't SEE Hymies, or Diamond Merchants when I see Jewish people. You're Jewish or Jewish converts to me. But all'n'all you still translate into human beings to me.

Imerica, Has anyone called you that personally or are they using it to  describe evil Blacks in general?

I was called a coon, and a ng'er whore  here. So yes, can say that someone has called me those names.

I think I am right in saying that by the rules of this forum that whoever called you by those names deserves a severe warning or a temporary ban.

[genteelgentile]

I, myself, for years, was in denial about blacks.  The shame of it all is that once the civil rights revolution came about, it let the blacks be who they really are.  Of course there are good, even righteous ones out there.  But I think we whites are the ones who let the cat out of the bag.

I don't think that I would use language as harsh as Allen T put earlier, but I understand where it comes from.  Just last week, there was a black couple looking at an apartment a couple of doors down from me.  The man had the baggy pants with his underwear showing and nappy hair.  So you know that most likely, the loud booming car stereo is coming, the late night loud parties, God forbid drugs, etc...
I hope I am wrong...

With all this said, I do hope Erica stays with us; maybe we will all come to an understanding.  I don't want a race war...but we shall not compromise.

[Dr. Dan]

Lubab

I posted this question earlier, but because you are a very religious Jew, perhaps you can answer this properly.

It is good to be compassionate and merciful.  But, in general, who are we allowed to be compassionate to and to what degree?

[genteelgentile]

Lubab's analogy at the beginning of this thread is awesome...

[Lisa]

Ok people.  I don't think ganging up on Erica is productive. 

Remember that we're not against people simply because of the color of their skin, but their evil deeds.  So just like I said in the past thread on Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, there are plenty of his actions we can be critical of without resorting to name calling.  Likewise with Erica and African Americans in general.  Let's stick to the facts.  After all, she is being polite here. 

Also, I would be curious as to what Erica thinks of prominent right leaning blacks like Thomas Sowell, the economist, writers Larry Elder, Mychal Massie, Star Parker and Walter Williams.  Mr. Sowell's columns, which are brilliant, can all be read on Townhall.com.  The other writers commentaries appear on Worldnetdaily.com.  There's also DeRoy Murdock who sometimes writes for the National Review. 

Then there's the conservative blogger LaShawn Barber.  I met her in person at a blogger function and she seemed nice.  Are you familiar with her blog Erica? -- http://www.lashawnbarber.com

I'd be curious as to what you think of these people.  If you like them, then why, or why not?  I happen to like all of them, and think every one here should at least take a look at their work.

Thanks. 

[cjd]

It's actually pretty stupid to call blacks black, as there really a shade of brown, they should be called browns, and none of us (whites) are really white, we're more a sort of cream colour, so we should be called creams....

I have had Black folks tell me jokingly " I'm not Black I'm Brown".

[Dr. Dan]

It's actually pretty stupid to call blacks black, as there really a shade of brown, they should be called browns, and none of us (whites) are really white, we're more a sort of cream colour, so we should be called creams....

I have had Black folks tell me jokingly " I'm not Black I'm Brown".

Actually, some look purple... So if he is Black call him black and if he is brown call him brown and if he is purple call him purple..

Oh and if he orange..call him orange 

[nessuno]

I work in a middle school in the south Bronx and understand and see firsthand the problems and issues that exist in the community. But instead of taking on an attitude of demonizing and feeling like this is something that needs to be defeated, we do our darnedest to help out as much as we can to raise the sinking ship and plug up the holes as much as possible. It seems like you just want to state how there is a sinking ship with lots of gaping holes and your solution is to just shoot more holes into it to make the ship sink faster in order to "defeat evil." The idea of actually trying to do anything to help out and to serve these communities is morally repugnant and self-hating to you. I'm sorry, but I don't identify and think that way. It's true that there are a lot of problems in these areas. But it's not a simple issue of concluding that these people are evil. There are many other issues and factors that these communities need to face. They don't have the healthcare that the rest of us take for granted. This, in turn, causes a lot more students that need to depend on related healthcare services from the schools, and then the school system many times don't comply with the state mandates. There are many people in the community that are working their hardest just to survive. I can't even begin to understand what it must be like to live in a community like this with these types of issues and problems. So I think that someone who doesn't even work in these communities or these settings can even come close to understanding the issues and what needs to be done. All I know is that taking on a demonizing mentality does absolutely nothing to resolve anything! The only way to make any type of positive differences is to recognize that yes, there are major problems, but that it's important to help out the best we can by coming up with the best solutions possible and to provide the best possible services we can. But who am I? Just some self-hating liberal Jew who is doing a great disservice by working in the public school system in the neediest communities.

Wow - do you take your healthcare for granted - lucky you!
I always thought I would be a stay at home Mom.  Guess what... I'm not.
I work in order to provide my child with healthcare.  By the way I pay for it - it is not free.
Most families I know have two working parents and most are just barely paying the bills.

When are these people you are speaking of denied healthcare?  I have actually seen them get better services - no insurance companies to restrict their treatment.  
I don't think the answer to the problem is more services.  That is just plugging holes.  
Lubab  is 100% correct.

[OdKahaneChai]

I wasn't tallking about the word "[censored]" or the word "coon" or the word "ape", I'd never use such words to describe black people, and I'd hope no one else would, I was referring to the word schvartza.

The word schvartza is actually the Yiddish word for N'ger. I've actually seen it when I quoted someone who called me a schvartza. When I clicked on QUOTE and it went to the text page, '[censored]'ger' was actually the word used. When  you click onto the forum again, its translated as schvartza.

No, it is the Yiddish word for "black man" and I've never seen it translated as "n*gger."  It comes from the word schvartz, which is Yiddish for "black" (as in the color).  Check your facts before you say things, Erica.

[Imerica]

I wasn't tallking about the word "[censored]" or the word "coon" or the word "ape", I'd never use such words to describe black people, and I'd hope no one else would, I was referring to the word schvartza.

The word schvartza is actually the Yiddish word for N'ger. I've actually seen it when I quoted someone who called me a schvartza. When I clicked on QUOTE and it went to the text page, '[censored]'ger' was actually the word used. When  you click onto the forum again, its translated as schvartza.

No, it is the Yiddish word for "black man" and I've never seen it translated as "n*gger."  It comes from the word schvartz, which is Yiddish for "black" (as in the color).  Check your facts before you say things, Erica.

Just to test...

schvartza.....

I did this for a reason. When I typed out the N word, once it got back to the discussion it had turned into schvartza. When I went back to see if the N word was representative of Schvartza, the word "schvartza" was in place of the N word I typed. THAT'S where I got the assumption that Schvartza meant N, in Yiddish. I know what I'm talking about.

Go ahead. See for yourself. Type out the word "ni&&er" (the real spelling), then click on post and see what word pops up on the discussion board in its place.

[Imerica]

It's actually pretty stupid to call blacks black, as there really a shade of brown, they should be called browns, and none of us (whites) are really white, we're more a sort of cream colour, so we should be called creams....

I have had Black folks tell me jokingly " I'm not Black I'm Brown".

My husband would tell people (jokingly) that he's not black..he's caramel-colored. LOL I'm chocolate then.
I think that  the contrast from dark to light makes/ made people describe us that way. Some blacks are blue-black while some may be as white as a light-bulb.

[Imerica]

Ok people.  I don't think ganging up on Erica is productive. 

Remember that we're not against people simply because of the color of their skin, but their evil deeds.  So just like I said in the past thread on Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, there are plenty of his actions we can be critical of without resorting to name calling.  Likewise with Erica and African Americans in general.  Let's stick to the facts.  After all, she is being polite here. 

Also, I would be curious as to what Erica thinks of prominent right leaning blacks like Thomas Sowell, the economist, writers Larry Elder, Mychal Massie, Star Parker and Walter Williams.  Mr. Sowell's columns, which are brilliant, can all be read on Townhall.com.  The other writers commentaries appear on Worldnetdaily.com.  There's also DeRoy Murdock who sometimes writes for the National Review. 

Then there's the conservative blogger LaShawn Barber.  I met her in person at a blogger function and she seemed nice.  Are you familiar with her blog Erica? -- http://www.lashawnbarber.com

I'd be curious as to what you think of these people.  If you like them, then why, or why not?  I happen to like all of them, and think every one here should at least take a look at their work.

Thanks. 

I'm no political analyst so I wouldn't know who the right wing people you named are unless, of course, I googled them and read about them. That would call for me to research them and then get back to you. At any rate though, I'm not a fan of some black conservatives. Alan Keyes, and Armstrong Williams are just a couple of them.

[OdKahaneChai]

I wasn't tallking about the word "[censored]" or the word "coon" or the word "ape", I'd never use such words to describe black people, and I'd hope no one else would, I was referring to the word schvartza.

The word schvartza is actually the Yiddish word for N'ger. I've actually seen it when I quoted someone who called me a schvartza. When I clicked on QUOTE and it went to the text page, '[censored]'ger' was actually the word used. When  you click onto the forum again, its translated as schvartza.

No, it is the Yiddish word for "black man" and I've never seen it translated as "n*gger."  It comes from the word schvartz, which is Yiddish for "black" (as in the color).  Check your facts before you say things, Erica.

Just to test...

schvartza.....

I did this for a reason. When I typed out the N word, once it got back to the discussion it had turned into schvartza. When I went back to see if the N word was representative of Schvartza, the word "schvartza" was in place of the N word I typed. THAT'S where I got the assumption that Schvartza meant N, in Yiddish. I know what I'm talking about.

Go ahead. See for yourself. Type out the word "ni&&er" (the real spelling), then click on post and see what word pops up on the discussion board in its place.

That still doesn't mean it's the actual translation...

[Allen-T]

I work in a middle school in the south Bronx and understand and see firsthand the problems and issues that exist in the community. But instead of taking on an attitude of demonizing and feeling like this is something that needs to be defeated, we do our darnedest to help out as much as we can to raise the sinking ship and plug up the holes as much as possible. It seems like you just want to state how there is a sinking ship with lots of gaping holes and your solution is to just shoot more holes into it to make the ship sink faster in order to "defeat evil." The idea of actually trying to do anything to help out and to serve these communities is morally repugnant and self-hating to you. I'm sorry, but I don't identify and think that way. It's true that there are a lot of problems in these areas. But it's not a simple issue of concluding that these people are evil. There are many other issues and factors that these communities need to face. They don't have the healthcare that the rest of us take for granted. This, in turn, causes a lot more students that need to depend on related healthcare services from the schools, and then the school system many times don't comply with the state mandates. There are many people in the community that are working their hardest just to survive. I can't even begin to understand what it must be like to live in a community like this with these types of issues and problems. So I think that someone who doesn't even work in these communities or these settings can even come close to understanding the issues and what needs to be done. All I know is that taking on a demonizing mentality does absolutely nothing to resolve anything! The only way to make any type of positive differences is to recognize that yes, there are major problems, but that it's important to help out the best we can by coming up with the best solutions possible and to provide the best possible services we can. But who am I? Just some self-hating liberal Jew who is doing a great disservice by working in the public school system in the neediest communities.

This isn't just rhetoric, Daniel. Before the civil rights movement whitey had the sense to keep savages under control by force. It was a terrible mistake giving them freedom. This is a fact. They were better socialised when whitey kept them under wraps, when they knew a lynching awaited when they stepped out of line. Today they expect the white to be lynched who dares suggest they are less than wonderful. Daniel, everything that can be done for blacks has been done, they don't want civilisation. If a JTF minded government were ever established here in America, at the very least blacks would be brought under control if not deported back to the motherland. Better to work for a possible but improbable paradise than a completely insane notion that anything more can be done to help them. They don't want it. They hate whitey, let them have what they want most, A-F-R-I-C-A. And before Umerica chimes in with "I ain't from Africa", Most blacks should be shipped to Africa soley based on their anti-white feelings. They hate the white brains and talent that built this country, they hate the white brains and talent that used to maintain this country, so go where there is nothing but schvartzas. It's common sense. It's the natural response to the schvartzas biggest gripe.

Allen, you're just hateful. You hate when people show love. You hate when people say there are other ways to fight the evils of society.  You hate just because it feels empowering. And I just LOVE the way you twist my words into ebonics. That just goes to show how ignorant YOU are. I've never said AIN'T here. And about the Africa thing, again.. stop assuming that every black person wants to go back to Africa. And for the sake of argument, I'm NOT from Africa. I've never lived there. I never visited Africa...but probably will when my children are older. I don't want to live there though and that's what people in the real world would call a 'personal preference'.

However, since we're on the subject of who built this country, please deny that the slaves who were brought here from Africa had anything to do with the industrial development of America. All the cotton, tobacco, and indigo that was planted and picked...but not before the fields were tilled, hoed, fertilized, and sweated over.

I'll let your retarded answer speak for itself. I am through addressing you.

[ftf]

I wasn't tallking about the word "[censored]" or the word "coon" or the word "ape", I'd never use such words to describe black people, and I'd hope no one else would, I was referring to the word schvartza.

The word schvartza is actually the Yiddish word for N'ger. I've actually seen it when I quoted someone who called me a schvartza. When I clicked on QUOTE and it went to the text page, '[censored]'ger' was actually the word used. When  you click onto the forum again, its translated as schvartza.

No, it is the Yiddish word for "black man" and I've never seen it translated as "n*gger."  It comes from the word schvartz, which is Yiddish for "black" (as in the color).  Check your facts before you say things, Erica.

Just to test...

schvartza.....

I did this for a reason. When I typed out the N word, once it got back to the discussion it had turned into schvartza. When I went back to see if the N word was representative of Schvartza, the word "schvartza" was in place of the N word I typed. THAT'S where I got the assumption that Schvartza meant N, in Yiddish. I know what I'm talking about.

Go ahead. See for yourself. Type out the word "ni&&er" (the real spelling), then click on post and see what word pops up on the discussion board in its place.

It's not a translation of te word, it was decided by the forum administration that having the word "[censored]" used on the forum would have a negative effect on our efforts to gain support, and therefore a filter was set up to replace it with the yiddish for black. Just like there's a filter on the word "p-lestinian"

[Dissenter]

I'll let your retarded answer speak for itself. I am through addressing you.

I generally don't post my messages on more than one thread at a time, so I hope that you'll forgive me for repeating myself. I believe that the following is germaine to the topic at hand:

Trying to educate Imerica is learning how to type. You make progress for a while and then you hit a plateau where nothing seems to change for the longest time. Maybe there will be a breakthrough down the road. But reading things like the following, I tend to doubt it:

White kids at that point already had what it took to make it in society ... their white faces, and who they knew.

In other words, whites "make it" because they're white, not because they're not from a culture which needs metal detectors in its schools.

Hey, Imerica, here's another Jeopardy question for you:

Q: What's the shortest book in the world? A: Black Jeopardy Champions.

And by the way, Imerica, Martin Liar King was a Communist, or the next thing to it. Your denial of that simple fact of history proves once again what I said to you the other week, that you make it up as you go along, distorting the facts to furnish yourself with the largest possible comfort zone.



A photograph - widely published in Southern newspapers and on Southern billboards in the 1960s - shows Martin Luther King on September 2, 1957, attending the Highlander Folk School, operated by the Communist Party. Various high-ranking Communists are seated next to King, whose ties to American Communism were manifold.

King was listed on the Monteagle, Tennessee school's letterhead as a "sponsor." The school was financed by Julius Rosenwald, the one-time head of Sears Roebuck, who spent $22 million financing "civil rights" groups. A director of the fund, Alfred K. Stern of New Orleans, fled behind the Iron Curtain to avoid arrest for espionage.

[OdKahaneChai]

Q: What's the shortest book in the world? A: Black Jeopardy Champions.

No, that would be French War Heroes.  But close...

[Lubab]

Lubab

I posted this question earlier, but because you are a very religious Jew, perhaps you can answer this properly.

It is good to be compassionate and merciful.  But, in general, who are we allowed to be compassionate to and to what degree?

There is no formula for this. In general mercy is a G-dly and wonderful trait.  Yet sometimes G-d says not to have mercy e.g. by people of the nation of Amalek, or people who try to get everyone to worship idols etc.

The trick is to not just try to be compassionate but to try and do what G-d wants i.e. try to do what's best for the person and the world.  And when you really care about someone, you should be able to tell how much is the right amount of compassion and mercy. And if you don't know what's best in a particular situation, ask someone who knows what the Torah (G-d) says about it.

Being tough can also be a form of mercy if that's what's best for the person. How cruel would it be for a doctor not to operate when a surgery is needed because he doesn't want to cut the person?

So being kind to someone who is hurting himself and others is really not mercy but cruelty. So beware of that. If the doctor was just looking to do what's best for the person (or better yet, what G-d asks of him) he wouldn't have run into this kind of moral confusion. 

[Dissenter]

Q: What's the shortest book in the world? A: Black Jeopardy Champions.

No, that would be French War Heroes.  But close...

Seriously, there have been many French war heroes, like the ones who fought the Algerian Muslims in the 1950s and 1960s.

As Ann Coulter recently pointed out, in her column on the recent French elections, the croissant, the little French pastry shaped like a crescent, honors the victories of the French Crusaders over Islam. (Ann said that she would be eating croissants all week in honor of the election results.)

Yes, there have been many French war heroes. But there have been no black Jeopardy champions.

But don't worry, Imerica. Everybody knows that all of the Jeopardy questions are rigged in favor of whites and Jews and Asians.

[Imerica]

I wasn't tallking about the word "[censored]" or the word "coon" or the word "ape", I'd never use such words to describe black people, and I'd hope no one else would, I was referring to the word schvartza.

The word schvartza is actually the Yiddish word for N'ger. I've actually seen it when I quoted someone who called me a schvartza. When I clicked on QUOTE and it went to the text page, '[censored]'ger' was actually the word used. When  you click onto the forum again, its translated as schvartza.

No, it is the Yiddish word for "black man" and I've never seen it translated as "n*gger."  It comes from the word schvartz, which is Yiddish for "black" (as in the color).  Check your facts before you say things, Erica.

Just to test...

schvartza.....

I did this for a reason. When I typed out the N word, once it got back to the discussion it had turned into schvartza. When I went back to see if the N word was representative of Schvartza, the word "schvartza" was in place of the N word I typed. THAT'S where I got the assumption that Schvartza meant N, in Yiddish. I know what I'm talking about.

Go ahead. See for yourself. Type out the word "ni&&er" (the real spelling), then click on post and see what word pops up on the discussion board in its place.

It's not a translation of te word, it was decided by the forum administration that having the word "[censored]" used on the forum would have a negative effect on our efforts to gain support, and therefore a filter was set up to replace it with the yiddish for black. Just like there's a filter on the word "p-lestinian"

I didn't know that. That's one to grow on.

[Lubab]

I wasn't tallking about the word "[censored]" or the word "coon" or the word "ape", I'd never use such words to describe black people, and I'd hope no one else would, I was referring to the word schvartza.

The word schvartza is actually the Yiddish word for N'ger. I've actually seen it when I quoted someone who called me a schvartza. When I clicked on QUOTE and it went to the text page, '[censored]'ger' was actually the word used. When  you click onto the forum again, its translated as schvartza.

No, it is the Yiddish word for "black man" and I've never seen it translated as "n*gger."  It comes from the word schvartz, which is Yiddish for "black" (as in the color).  Check your facts before you say things, Erica.

Just to test...

schvartza.....

I did this for a reason. When I typed out the N word, once it got back to the discussion it had turned into schvartza. When I went back to see if the N word was representative of Schvartza, the word "schvartza" was in place of the N word I typed. THAT'S where I got the assumption that Schvartza meant N, in Yiddish. I know what I'm talking about.

Go ahead. See for yourself. Type out the word "ni&&er" (the real spelling), then click on post and see what word pops up on the discussion board in its place.

Imerica we all know that. You're not telling us something new. Read ftf's post above. This is a censoring mechanism on this forum. But to assume from that that's what "shvartze" means is not very wise. Better try a yiddish dictionary and look up the word "black". See what you get.

[Imerica]

I wasn't tallking about the word "[censored]" or the word "coon" or the word "ape", I'd never use such words to describe black people, and I'd hope no one else would, I was referring to the word schvartza.

The word schvartza is actually the Yiddish word for N'ger. I've actually seen it when I quoted someone who called me a schvartza. When I clicked on QUOTE and it went to the text page, '[censored]'ger' was actually the word used. When  you click onto the forum again, its translated as schvartza.

No, it is the Yiddish word for "black man" and I've never seen it translated as "n*gger."  It comes from the word schvartz, which is Yiddish for "black" (as in the color).  Check your facts before you say things, Erica.

Just to test...

schvartza.....

I did this for a reason. When I typed out the N word, once it got back to the discussion it had turned into schvartza. When I went back to see if the N word was representative of Schvartza, the word "schvartza" was in place of the N word I typed. THAT'S where I got the assumption that Schvartza meant N, in Yiddish. I know what I'm talking about.

Go ahead. See for yourself. Type out the word "ni&&er" (the real spelling), then click on post and see what word pops up on the discussion board in its place.

Imerica we all know that. You're not telling us something new. Read ftf's post above. This is a censoring mechanism on this forum. But to assume from that that's what "shvartze" means is not very wise. Better try a yiddish dictionary and look up the word "black". See what you get.

Again... I said, "WOW, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.." Then, I added "That's one to grow on."...which means that I know Jack Crap but I'm willing to learn more. Could you PLEASE read my responses before trying to make me look like I don't admit when I'm wrong? Thanks.

[ftf]

Your phrase "that's one to grow on" is not a phrase I've heard used before, but at first uess it sounded like sarcasm to me.

[Lubab]

I wasn't tallking about the word "[censored]" or the word "coon" or the word "ape", I'd never use such words to describe black people, and I'd hope no one else would, I was referring to the word schvartza.

The word schvartza is actually the Yiddish word for N'ger. I've actually seen it when I quoted someone who called me a schvartza. When I clicked on QUOTE and it went to the text page, '[censored]'ger' was actually the word used. When  you click onto the forum again, its translated as schvartza.

No, it is the Yiddish word for "black man" and I've never seen it translated as "n*gger."  It comes from the word schvartz, which is Yiddish for "black" (as in the color).  Check your facts before you say things, Erica.

Just to test...

schvartza.....

I did this for a reason. When I typed out the N word, once it got back to the discussion it had turned into schvartza. When I went back to see if the N word was representative of Schvartza, the word "schvartza" was in place of the N word I typed. THAT'S where I got the assumption that Schvartza meant N, in Yiddish. I know what I'm talking about.

Go ahead. See for yourself. Type out the word "ni&&er" (the real spelling), then click on post and see what word pops up on the discussion board in its place.

Imerica we all know that. You're not telling us something new. Read ftf's post above. This is a censoring mechanism on this forum. But to assume from that that's what "shvartze" means is not very wise. Better try a yiddish dictionary and look up the word "black". See what you get.

Again... I said, "WOW, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.." Then, I added "That's one to grow on."...which means that I know Jack Crap but I'm willing to learn more. Could you PLEASE read my responses before trying to make me look like I don't admit when I'm wrong? Thanks.

Oh. Sorry. I didn't see you're post there at the bottom, I guess. But yes, you can learn a great deal on this forum and I hope you will keep an open mind.

[Imerica]

Your phrase "that's one to grow on" is not a phrase I've heard used before, but at first uess it sounded like sarcasm to me.

Its not sarcasm at all. It use to be part of a learning campaign back in the 80's. One To Grow On simply means that you grow from knowledge. That's all. Sarcasm from me would show up as a sentence/statement and then a " ".