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Ovadiya Yosef: "Fires in Israel because of Sabbath Profanation"
wonga66:
--- Quote from: Ron Ben Michael on December 05, 2010, 12:58:49 AM ---
--- Quote from: wonga66 on December 04, 2010, 08:10:36 PM ---What are you implying by the skull on your avatar having peyos above Islamic scimitars, Ronald?
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See, you can't read Hebrew
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Of course I can read Hebrew, "Hill Top Youth" -luvva.
But what does your ominous Totenkopf avatar actually mean?
The Death's Head symbology is generally used by murderous goyim, like pirates, the SS and the Light Brigade, & is very unheimish, Ronald!
The One and Only Mo:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on December 05, 2010, 01:32:40 AM ---
--- Quote from: Ron Ben Michael on December 05, 2010, 12:55:39 AM ---
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on December 04, 2010, 09:45:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: It's Just Mo on December 04, 2010, 06:32:57 PM ---I hear what he's saying. Everything comes from Hashem.
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But this happened also to a religious kibbutz!
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to Communist Capitalists? ::)
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Oh so all kibbutznikim are evil even if they have are chozer b'teshuvah. ron it seems like you label every single group as evil except yourself!
Moreover, it's besides the point. The only relevant point here is if they are shomer shabbat or not. There certainly do exist shomer shabbat kibbutznikim. And A7 described this place as religious kibbutz. They wouldn't call it that if they weren't shomer shabbat. So this wacked out "THEORY" is clearly WRONG since the fire also happened to people who DO NOT desecrate shabbat.
of course we also know that druze are not obligated in shabbat laws, but that brings us to the obvious problem with this so-called Theory - we know the ACTUAL reason this started, because of terrorist druze who set the freaking fires!
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We will never know the reason... Only Hashem knows....EVERYTHING comes from Hashem....There is no sense in trying to figure out the reason for this.....
edu:
My biggest problem with the viewpoint that blames the current Israeli fire on Sabbath desecration is that one should only look for supernatural explanations, when no logical natural explanation, exists that can easily explain the tragedy.
In this case, when we have evil Gentiles in the land of Israel, who the Torah commands us to expel and they are actively involved in arson and terrorism on a continuing basis while the government of Israel including Rabbi Ovadia Yosef usually ignores this biblical commandment; it is no wonder, that from time to time, these evil Gentiles will succeed in causing great damage.
And I should add that not only Gentiles who actively commit terror are considered evil, but also those that are merely happy about the Terror that others commit against Jews, or support theft, idol worship, immorality, attacks against Judaism etc.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: It's Just Mo on December 05, 2010, 06:36:17 AM ---
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on December 05, 2010, 01:32:40 AM ---
--- Quote from: Ron Ben Michael on December 05, 2010, 12:55:39 AM ---
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on December 04, 2010, 09:45:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: It's Just Mo on December 04, 2010, 06:32:57 PM ---I hear what he's saying. Everything comes from Hashem.
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But this happened also to a religious kibbutz!
--- End quote ---
to Communist Capitalists? ::)
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Oh so all kibbutznikim are evil even if they have are chozer b'teshuvah. ron it seems like you label every single group as evil except yourself!
Moreover, it's besides the point. The only relevant point here is if they are shomer shabbat or not. There certainly do exist shomer shabbat kibbutznikim. And A7 described this place as religious kibbutz. They wouldn't call it that if they weren't shomer shabbat. So this wacked out "THEORY" is clearly WRONG since the fire also happened to people who DO NOT desecrate shabbat.
of course we also know that druze are not obligated in shabbat laws, but that brings us to the obvious problem with this so-called Theory - we know the ACTUAL reason this started, because of terrorist druze who set the freaking fires!
--- End quote ---
We will never know the reason... Only Hashem knows....EVERYTHING comes from Hashem....There is no sense in trying to figure out the reason for this.....
--- End quote ---
When terrorists light a fire and try to burn down the country, how is there any question as to the reason it happened?
It's not like some easterly wind came and started a fire.
Terrorists tried to burn the country down. That is the reason. Where is the mystery here?
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: edu on December 05, 2010, 09:48:58 AM ---My biggest problem with the viewpoint that blames the current Israeli fire on Sabbath desecration is that one should only look for supernatural explanations, when no logical natural explanation, exists that can easily explain the tragedy.
In this case, when we have evil Gentiles in the land of Israel, who the Torah commands us to expel and they are actively involved in arson and terrorism on a continuing basis while the government of Israel including Rabbi Ovadia Yosef usually ignores this biblical commandment; it is no wonder, that from time to time, these evil Gentiles will succeed in causing great damage.
And I should add that not only Gentiles who actively commit terror are considered evil, but also those that are merely happy about the Terror that others commit against Jews, or support theft, idol worship, immorality, attacks against Judaism etc.
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Agree. Good point.
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