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Homo sapiens lived in Eretz Yisrael 400,000 years ago
« on: December 28, 2010, 06:22:40 PM »
First of all, I realize many members here don't necessarily agree with evolution, but what are your thoughts on these studies?

http://www.jpost.com/Sci-Tech/Article.aspx?id=201076
Teeth found near Rosh Ha’ayin older than anything uncovered in Africa.
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Eight human teeth dating back as far as 400,000 years ago and found at the prehistoric Qesem Cave near Rosh Ha’ayin – discovered recently by Tel Aviv University researchers – are “the world’s earliest evidence” of modern man (Homo sapiens).

Until now, remains of humans from only 200,000 years ago have been found in Africa, and the accepted approach has been that modern man originated on that continent.

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Long before the land was called Israel and the residents Jews, Homo sapiens lived here twice as long ago as was previously believed, the researchers wrote in the latest (December) edition of the American Journal of Physical Anthropology.

The cave was uncovered in 2000 by Prof. Avi Gopher and Dr. Ran Barkai of TAU’s Institute of Archeology. Later, Prof. Israel Hershkowitz of the Department of Anatomy and Anthropology at TAU’s Sackler School of Medicine and an international team of scientists performed a morphological analysis on the teeth found in the cave.

The examination included CT scans and X-rays indicating the size and shape of the teeth are very similar to those of modern man. The teeth found in the cave are also very similar to evidence of modern man dated to around 100,000 years ago that had previously been discovered in the Skhul Cave on Mount Carmel and the Qafzeh Cave in the Lower Galilee near Nazareth.

The Qesem Cave is dated between 400,000 and 200,000 years ago, and archeologists working there believe that the findings indicate significant changes in the behavior of ancient man. This period of time was crucial in the history of mankind from cultural and biological perspectives, and the fact that teeth of modern man were discovered indicates that these changes are apparently related to evolutionary changes taking place at that time, they maintained.

Gopher and Barkai noted that the findings that characterize the culture of those who dwelled in the Qesem Cave – the systematic production of flint blades, the habitual use of fire, evidence of hunting, cutting and sharing of animal meat, mining raw materials to produce flint tools from subsurface sources and much more – reinforce the hypothesis that this was, in fact, innovative and pioneering behavior that corresponds with the appearance of modern man.

The specimens, date back to the Middle Pleistocene era, include permanent and deciduous teeth. They were thus placed chronologically earlier than the bulk of fossil hominin specimens previously known from southwest Asia. Although none of the Qesem teeth resemble those of pre-Homo sapiens Neanderthals, a few traits may suggest some affinities with members of the Neanderthal evolutionary lineage, but the balance of the evidence suggests a closer similarity with the Skhul-Qafzeh dental material, said Gopher and Barkai.

According to the researchers, the discoveries made in the Qesem Cave may change the perception that has been widely accepted to date in which modern man originated on the continent of Africa. In recent years, archeological evidence and human skeletons have been discovered in Spain and China that are liable to undermine this perception, but the findings now uncovered at Qesem are significant and invaluable, and their early age is undoubtedly an extraordinary archeological discovery, said Gopher and Barkai.

As excavations at the cave continue, the researchers hope to uncover additional discoveries that will enable them to confirm the findings published up to now and to enhance their understanding of the evolution of mankind and especially the appearance of modern man.


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Re: Homo sapiens lived in Eretz Yisrael 400,000 years ago
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2010, 06:29:10 PM »
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Re: Homo sapiens lived in Eretz Yisrael 400,000 years ago
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2010, 06:32:48 PM »
Thanks Muman!
I like his title better... ;D

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Re: Homo sapiens lived in Eretz Yisrael 400,000 years ago
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2010, 12:43:01 PM »
Just like the Nebraska Man fiasco, which turned out to be the tooth of a pig, an entire evolutionary phantasm has been cocnted out of thin air!

After years of careful study, top researchers like Lord Solly Zuckerman and Professor Duane Gish concluded that the entire concept of man's evolution from an ape-like creature is a phantasm, and that all the once-sensationalised "missing-links" such as Cro-Magnon Man, Peking Man, Neanderthal Man, Java Man, Orce Man, Fontechevade Man, Wadjak Man, Grimaldi Man, Olduvai Man, Foxhall Man, Nutcracker Man, Swanscombe Man, Leaky's 1470 Man, Heidelberg Man, Galley Hill Man, Piltdown Man etc.etc., were either 100% ape, 100% homo sapiens or 100% hoax!


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Re: Homo sapiens lived in Eretz Yisrael 400,000 years ago
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2010, 01:23:47 PM »
It would be easy to categorize any one homind fossil as 100% ape because they would technically all fall under the great ape category, even human skeletons. Alternatively, depending on your definition of human, you could categorize anything from Homo habilis and forward as 100% human.

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Re: Homo sapiens lived in Eretz Yisrael 400,000 years ago
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2010, 01:34:37 PM »
What about Neanderthals, who had skull cavities at least as big as ours and appear to have been equally intelligent? It seems to me that this so-called "missing link" is an extinct race of regular humans.

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Re: Homo sapiens lived in Eretz Yisrael 400,000 years ago
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2010, 01:39:18 PM »
What about Neanderthals, who had skull cavities at least as big as ours and appear to have been equally intelligent? It seems to me that this so-called "missing link" is an extinct race of regular humans.

I don't think any scientists believe we're descended from them. I've always heard it interpreted the same way you did. They had fire, clothing, and almost surely had the ability to speak. I'm certain they would be completely human on both a physical and spiritual level.

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Re: Homo sapiens lived in Eretz Yisrael 400,000 years ago
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2010, 01:43:07 PM »
Neanderthals were regular humans who degenerated in the harsh climatic conditions after the Mabul.

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Re: Homo sapiens lived in Eretz Yisrael 400,000 years ago
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2010, 01:50:35 PM »
Neanderthals were regular humans who degenerated in the harsh climatic conditions after the Mabul.

They weren't degenerate at all. They were cold-adapted to live in Europe and the Middle East. They had a larger nose to warm the air as it came in, had stockier bodies to help keep the body heat in, etc. They also used needles and sinew to sew furs and leather into clothing to keep warm, but their physical bodies were also cold-adapted. Human beings like the ones we mostly see today are more warm-adapted.

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Re: Homo sapiens lived in Eretz Yisrael 400,000 years ago
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2010, 01:57:42 PM »
Compared to those before the Mabul, mankind has degenerated, and the degeneration is continuing: devolution, not evolution! In addition, "the punishment of 1/3 of the builders of the Migdal Bavel was their being transformed in to apes" (Sanhedrin 108).

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Re: Homo sapiens lived in Eretz Yisrael 400,000 years ago
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2010, 01:59:09 PM »
Compared to those before the Mabul, mankind has degenerated, and the degeneration is continuing: devolution, not evolution! In addition, "the punishment of 1/3 of the builders of the Migdal Bavel was their being transformed in to apes" (Sanhedrin 108).

Did by any chance they travel to Africa?  ;D

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Re: Homo sapiens lived in Eretz Yisrael 400,000 years ago
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2010, 05:30:48 PM »
I think scientists need to wait awhile and study before making statements about where people came from. One minute it was out of Africa theory... now its out of middle east theory. How about they just collect data and stop making grandiose claims pretending they know something they dont.

This is a real cool finding though.

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Re: Homo sapiens lived in Eretz Yisrael 400,000 years ago
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2010, 05:40:35 PM »
I wonder where the Homo Sandnegro fits in all of this...

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Re: Homo sapiens lived in Eretz Yisrael 400,000 years ago
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2010, 05:50:31 PM »
I think scientists need to wait awhile and study before making statements about where people came from. One minute it was out of Africa theory... now its out of middle east theory. How about they just collect data and stop making grandiose claims pretending they know something they dont.

This is a real cool finding though.
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by that standard we can put all scientific theories in the garbage. something new always pops up