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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #50 on: January 31, 2011, 06:14:37 AM »
That's silly. How can you call him a Schwartza when he hated all non-white blondes?
Yes it's strange but Hitler was actually a shavtza                    

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/world-war-2/7961211/Hitler-had-Jewish-and-African-roots-DNA-tests-show.html   








Hitler 'had Jewish and African roots', DNA tests show
Adolf Hitler is likely to have had Jewish and African roots, DNA tests have shown.
Adolf Hitler may have had Jewish and African roots, DNA tests have shown
Adolf Hitler may have had Jewish and African roots, DNA tests have shown
By Heidi Blake 6:25AM BST 24 Aug 2010

Saliva samples taken from 39 relatives of the Nazi leader show he may have had biological links to the “subhuman” races that he tried to exterminate during the Holocaust.

Jean-Paul Mulders, a Belgian journalist, and Marc Vermeeren, a historian, tracked down the Fuhrer’s relatives, including an Austrian farmer who was his cousin, earlier this year.

A chromosome called Haplogroup E1b1b1 which showed up in their samples is rare in Western Europe and is most commonly found in the Berbers of Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia, as well as among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews.

"One can from this postulate that Hitler was related to people whom he despised," Mr Mulders wrote in the Belgian magazine, Knack.

Haplogroup E1b1b1, which accounts for approximately 18 to 20 per cent of Ashkenazi and 8.6 per cent to 30 per cent of Sephardic Y-chromosomes, appears to be one of the major founding lineages of the Jewish population.

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Knack, which published the findings, says the DNA was tested under stringent laboratory conditions.

"This is a surprising result," said Ronny Decorte, a genetic specialist at the Catholic University of Leuven.

"The affair is fascinating if one compares it with the conception of the world of the Nazis, in which race and blood was central.

“Hitler's concern over his descent was not unjustified. He was apparently not "pure" or ‘Ayran’.”

It is not the first time that historians have suggested Hitler had Jewish ancestry.

His father, Alois, is thought to have been the illegitimate offspring of a maid called Maria Schickelgruber and a 19-year-old Jewish man called Frankenberger.
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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #51 on: January 31, 2011, 07:11:08 AM »
Does miserableness ever take a holiday?  That's all I want to know.  I'm just saying.

No need to be miserable if there's a drinking game made of it.

Get a bottle of your favorite liquor and play along as three or four of our members regularly do the following:

1 sip every time one of our members talks about "Christians" in a not nice way.

1 sip every time you see the above and then the person backtracks and says they just want to get along with everyone

2 sips every time you see "idol worship" mentioned in relation to Christians.

a whole shot every time you see "Jebus" mentioned

Bonus if there's some implication of hellfire of grievous bodily harm implied, you get two full shots for that.

Soon you might even be looking forward to such posts!

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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #52 on: January 31, 2011, 09:20:24 AM »
No need to be miserable if there's a drinking game made of it.

Get a bottle of your favorite liquor and play along as three or four of our members regularly do the following:

1 sip every time one of our members talks about "Christians" in a not nice way.

1 sip every time you see the above and then the person backtracks and says they just want to get along with everyone

2 sips every time you see "idol worship" mentioned in relation to Christians.

a whole shot every time you see "Jebus" mentioned

Bonus if there's some implication of hellfire of grievous bodily harm implied, you get two full shots for that.

Soon you might even be looking forward to such posts!
:::D
I might just try that Rubystars!  Sounds like a fun way to turn a frown upside down.  ;D

I do know that this is a legitimate topic of discussion.
I just couldn't help but wish that, sometimes, people didn't seem to take such glee in 'piling on'.

Why did the Church never excommunicate him? Catholic Church has two forms of excommunication. One dictated by the Vatican and another one in which the sinner incurs automatically as soon as he commits certain sins (murder, obviuosly genocide, abortion... fall in tha latter category). In the case of nazis, if they were baptized and considered Catholics, they became automatically excommunicatted when they comitted or supported the first murder. However, the automatic excommunication can, and sometimes is, declared formally by the Vatican. (In such cases, the Vatican does not excommunicate. They simply declare that the sinner has already excommunicated himself). So, the question is why did the Vatican never formally declare that nazi criminals had excommunicated themselves? They answer is most likely fear! Nazis could have easily destroyed the Vatican or assasinated catholic priests elsewhere if their excommunication were formalised, and certainly it wouldn't have saved one single life. Why would the Pope take a meassure that could lead to more murders? Even more, some priests could secretly save people as far as the church had no evident confrontation with the regime.
Schindler did not only abstain from openly critizing the nazis, but even joined the party to be able to save many Jews. He could have cried out: Nazi criminals! and be executed. He would have become a martyr, but unable to save even one life! If we can understand Schindler and others, why not underdstanding the Vatican's attitude?
If the Church leaders may be guilty of something, it's rather the anti-Semitc teaching some of them had spread in different periods of history that may have contributed to people's passiveness during the Holocaust. But once nazism had taken power, the Vatican could do nothing better, whether they wanted or not.
I agree with Raulmarrio.

I think Hitler was crazy and G-dless. ???
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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #53 on: January 31, 2011, 11:30:59 AM »
Hitler was just a crazy lunatic. That schvartza just wanted to kill many peoplz we was a m.f.


huh? Hitler wasn't black...
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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #54 on: January 31, 2011, 11:34:39 AM »
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Does miserableness ever take a holiday?  That's all I want to know.  I'm just saying.

Muman wasn't being "miserable."  Wanting to know why Hitler was not excommunicated is a fair question to ask. 

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« Reply #55 on: January 31, 2011, 11:53:18 AM »
BTW I don't think that  Nazis even those who were official pagans like Himmler are authentic representatives of the old Germanic and north religions and mythology.

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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #56 on: January 31, 2011, 01:08:19 PM »
Yes, this is true, and needs to be said, but the Nazis certainly didn't speak from real Christianity in any way. Look at what happened to the Serb Christians under Nazism.

Real Christians got sent to the death camps and died just like 6 million Jews, or were massacred en masse on the spot like the Serbs.

Exactly, its like when nazis worship hitler thinkibg he was pro white, when in reality Hitler is the reasons hundred of millions of whites died, and he has given us over 70 years of white guilt and self hatred in the media.


Thanks alot Hitler(may you burn in hell)

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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #57 on: January 31, 2011, 01:22:25 PM »
Actaully, the wicked man (a home tradition not to spell his name if possible) may have had some Jewish and African genes. But that didn't make him either or Jew or an African. Most Eastern Germans have Asian Mongols genes.
Blood B is typically Asian. It means that if you or some of your ancestors had that blood, even if your type is A or O, you have Asian ancestry and moslt likely Asian genes, thus making you a non-fully white.
Some members here seem to be as obsessed with race as he was. What a disgrace!
Paradoxically, the article mentioned Berbers and Tunisians with the intention of proving that he had the Semitic (or Afroasiatic) genes he so much hated. Not the intention of promoting racism. And Berbers are probably fully genetically white while most Germans are not.

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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #58 on: January 31, 2011, 01:23:16 PM »
1. he was born a catholic and was always officially part of the church
2. he respected islam and many of the things in mein kampf come from the quran
3. he was obsessed with old german myth.
4. he refused to recognize than there is a power greater than himself and that there are things he does not control

lord knows what he believed in

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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #59 on: January 31, 2011, 01:40:15 PM »
1. he was born a catholic and was always officially part of the church
2. he respected islam and many of the things in mein kampf come from the quran
3. he was obsessed with old german myth.
4. he refused to recognize than there is a power greater than himself and that there are things he does not control

lord knows what he believed in

He was officially part of the Church? Anyone who has been baptized is technically officially part of the Church. Not even excommunion is considered to "unbaptize" a person. Excommunion, if dictated by the Church or automatically self incurred in and later declared, simply means that the excommunicated one would not be allowed to receive a Sacrament. If self-icurred in but not declared, it's the person who should refrain himself from receiving a Sacrament. I have not heard that anyone of that time who left the Church, either by committing murder, or by voluntarily changing to atheism or to another religion, who has asked that his excommunion be registered. It's a modern practice in some Latin countries now, that some people demand the Church to register their excommunion by a marginal note on baptism registrars. Anyway, an excommunicated Catholic is still a Catholic under canonical laws.

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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #60 on: January 31, 2011, 04:42:54 PM »
Muman wasn't being "miserable."  Wanting to know why Hitler was not excommunicated is a fair question to ask. 
It is a fair question.  I do not disagree with that point.  I think I did say that in a previous post.
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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #61 on: January 31, 2011, 05:13:16 PM »
Even leftist christian haters will acknowledge that the reason Hitler could not ex-communicate the church was for practical reasons, not for religious reasons. 

He DID want to remove christianity and replace it with Germanic paganism, but every time the Nazi's attempted to do this, there was major backlash and fear from the Germans.  Especially when he tried to officially replace Christmas with the winter Solstice,  all the christians became frightened of this move, so the Nazis backpedaled and decided to slowly replace all the symbols and imagery with non-christian symbols.

None of this excuses the Catholic church from standing idly by while This Monster did unholy things, but to say that Hitler was a Catholic is nonsense.

Here is a great article on how the nazis tried to change christmas into something non-christian:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3820153,00.html

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Swastikas on tree: How Nazis stole Christmas

New exhibition in western German city of Cologne shows Nazis tried to skew Christmas story to do away with Jewish baby Jesus, impose their racist ideology and propaganda on popular festival

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Presents wrapped in paper covered with Nazi symbols nestling beneath a tree adorned with swastikas and grenade-shaped baubles: Welcome to Christmas under Adolf Hitler's Third Reich.

 

As a new exhibition in the western German city of Cologne shows, the Nazis tried to skew the Christmas story to do away with the Jewish baby Jesus and impose their racist ideology and propaganda on the popular festival.

 
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"Celebrating the birth of a Jewish baby was unthinkable for the Nazis," Juergen Mueller, the chief researcher behind the exhibition, told AFP.

 

"But Christmas was too popular to be banned. They therefore decided to corrupt it."

 

Nazi officials "invented a Germanic origin" for Christmas, renaming it "Julfest" and claiming that yuletide traditions stemmed from ancient rituals surrounding the winter solstice four days earlier, Mueller added.

 

Baby Jesus was turfed out of the crib and Santa Claus was reincarnated as a Viking knight.

 

In addition, the regime also created bizarre Nazi Christmas symbols, including swastika-shaped tins for Christmas cakes and Christmas cards emblazoned with a bullet wrapped in fir.

 

The creator of the exhibition - named "Far From A Holy Night" - got the idea as she was scouring flea markets for Christmas memorabilia.

 

"I wanted to have an 'old-style' Christmas for my father's 70th birthday... that's when I started to come across these objects," Rita Breuer told AFP.

 

The objects "tell a story not often told," she said, adding that she hoped the exhibition would prompt historians to do more research on the subject.

 

Ironically, some Nazi Christmas items, such as the wrapping paper emblazoned with twisted crosses, were later banned for fear that children would tear the beloved symbol of the Third Reich.

 

Unfortunately, explained Mueller, some of the Nazis' corruptions of Christmas have since been adopted by today's neo-Nazis in Germany.

 
Nazis re-wrote song

Among the memorabilia available is a CD of Christmas songs, with an innocent-looking sleeve of a snowy landscape, but with the songs rewritten by the Nazis and all references to Christianity expunged.

 

"Many visitors are amazed to discover that the version of the song they know is not the original but the way the Nazis re-wrote them," said Mueller.

 

Germans still buy so-called "Julleuchter" - Christmas lanterns - without knowing they were popularized by Hitler's sidekick Heinrich Himmler in 1938, with tens of thousands of them being manufactured by concentration camp prisoners.

 

Nevertheless, despite traces of the Nazis' Christmas corruption still remaining, the Third Reich generally failed to dampen the Christmas spirit in Germany.

 

"During this period, the Germans kept the link with the Christian festival, even if the symbols were no longer used," said Mueller.

 

The exhibition is hosted by the Cologne centre for Nazi research and runs until January 17.

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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #62 on: January 31, 2011, 05:15:41 PM »
There is a difference between disagreeing with the Vatican--even very strongly disagreeing with it--and attacking Catholics in general.

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« Reply #63 on: January 31, 2011, 09:43:18 PM »
Why did the Church never excommunicate him? Catholic Church has two forms of excommunication. One dictated by the Vatican and another one in which the sinner incurs automatically as soon as he commits certain sins (murder, obviuosly genocide, abortion... fall in tha latter category). In the case of nazis, if they were baptized and considered Catholics, they became automatically excommunicatted when they comitted or supported the first murder. However, the automatic excommunication can, and sometimes is, declared formally by the Vatican. (In such cases, the Vatican does not excommunicate. They simply declare that the sinner has already excommunicated himself). So, the question is why did the Vatican never formally declare that nazi criminals had excommunicated themselves? They answer is most likely fear! Nazis could have easily destroyed the Vatican or assasinated catholic priests elsewhere if their excommunication were formalised, and certainly it wouldn't have saved one single life. Why would the Pope take a meassure that could lead to more murders? Even more, some priests could secretly save people as far as the church had no evident confrontation with the regime.
Schindler did not only abstain from openly critizing the nazis, but even joined the party to be able to save many Jews. He could have cried out: Nazi criminals! and be executed. He would have become a martyr, but unable to save even one life! If we can understand Schindler and others, why not underdstanding the Vatican's attitude?
If the Church leaders may be guilty of something, it's rather the anti-Semitc teaching some of them had spread in different periods of history that may have contributed to people's passiveness during the Holocaust. But once nazism had taken power, the Vatican could do nothing better, whether they wanted or not.
Many good points Raul, The Pope was in no position to torment Hitler while he was alive and it was pointless for the church to address him after he was dead... If the Pope was not concerned for his own wellbeing he needed to be concerned for the thousands of clergy that were part of his church... Hitler may not have wanted the bad press of invading the Vatican however it would have been very easy for him to send hundreds of Germany's clergy off to the death camps... Excommunication is only a factor to the person being excommunicated... If the person really doesn't care as more then likely Hitler didn't. What would be the point of endangering countless lives to make such a point.
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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #64 on: January 31, 2011, 10:01:41 PM »
Boyana you certainly brought some interesting information here.

I did once read however a study that examined the place of nordic/pagan mythology and occult beliefs within hitler's and the nazi party's belief system.   Don't remember much about it though, but it does seem from what you cited that he considered himself a devoted Catholic.

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« Reply #65 on: January 31, 2011, 10:05:18 PM »
Yes it's strange but Hitler was actually a shavtza                    

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/world-war-2/7961211/Hitler-had-Jewish-and-African-roots-DNA-tests-show.html   






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I think you're misunderstanding the study.  Having "African roots" from generations ago doesn't make someone magically into  "a shvartza."     Otherwise, every single person on earth is a shvartza according to the out of africa hypothesis which is a predominant point of view to explain the human genetics like the ones you're describing (of course, recent news has challenged this theory because of ancient finds in the land of Israel, but you get my point - what you're saying is not congruent).

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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #66 on: January 31, 2011, 10:21:00 PM »

I think you're misunderstanding the study.  Having "African roots" from generations ago doesn't make someone magically into  "a shvartza."     Otherwise, every single person on earth is a shvartza according to the out of africa hypothesis which is a predominant point of view to explain the human genetics like the ones you're describing (of course, recent news has challenged this theory because of ancient finds in the land of Israel, but you get my point - what you're saying is not congruent).

So are you telling me that somewhere in a lab is Hitlers DNA????  Sounds like a plot for a really bad movie.  Fuhrersic Park???

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« Reply #67 on: January 31, 2011, 10:51:42 PM »
No need to be miserable if there's a drinking game made of it.

Get a bottle of your favorite liquor and play along as three or four of our members regularly do the following:

1 sip every time one of our members talks about "Christians" in a not nice way.

1 sip every time you see the above and then the person backtracks and says they just want to get along with everyone

2 sips every time you see "idol worship" mentioned in relation to Christians.

a whole shot every time you see "Jebus" mentioned

Bonus if there's some implication of hellfire of grievous bodily harm implied, you get two full shots for that.

Soon you might even be looking forward to such posts!


Why are you making fun of a decent person?It is NOT funny. Not in the least bit. It is annoying and pathetic.

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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #68 on: January 31, 2011, 10:54:15 PM »

Why are you making fun of a decent person?It is NOT funny. Not in the least bit. It is annoying and pathetic.

Do not worry about it. I was not offended...

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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #69 on: January 31, 2011, 10:58:24 PM »

Why are you making fun of a decent person?It is NOT funny. Not in the least bit. It is annoying and pathetic.
Did you forget what Serb Christians did to save Jews?

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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #70 on: January 31, 2011, 10:59:32 PM »

Why are you making fun of a decent person?It is NOT funny. Not in the least bit. It is annoying and pathetic.
There are a number of things posted on here that are pathetic if you catch my drift  but Ruby's post was actually kind of funny... Muman knows its nothing personal its only a difference of opinion.
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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #71 on: January 31, 2011, 11:02:24 PM »
Every bit as Christian as the Crusaders, the Inquisitions, and Martin Luther... or Jeremiah Wright, Fred Phelps, and Jimmy Carter.  Christianity is a big umbrella, there are a lot of camps under it [sometimes we get a Huckabee].
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Re: What religion do you honestly think Hitler believed in?
« Reply #72 on: January 31, 2011, 11:27:26 PM »
Did you forget what Serb Christians did to save Jews?

TBF, Boyana is a Serb. 

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« Reply #73 on: January 31, 2011, 11:32:38 PM »
I know that, which is why I asked her for clarification.

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« Reply #74 on: February 01, 2011, 03:09:01 AM »
No need to be miserable if there's a drinking game made of it.

Get a bottle of your favorite liquor and play along as three or four of our members regularly do the following:

1 sip every time one of our members talks about "Christians" in a not nice way.

1 sip every time you see the above and then the person backtracks and says they just want to get along with everyone

2 sips every time you see "idol worship" mentioned in relation to Christians.

a whole shot every time you see "Jebus" mentioned

Bonus if there's some implication of hellfire of grievous bodily harm implied, you get two full shots for that.

Soon you might even be looking forward to such posts!
Be very CAREFUL of people whose WORDS don't match their ACTIONS.