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Is a righteous gentile saved?
MarZutra:
Well your eyes are clear. According to the Torah and the realities on the ground the Jewish people were chosen at Sinai from all the other nations to accept the immense responsibility of the Torah way/laws. The fact that this occurred in front of a multitude of people is the validation of HaShem and Judaism itself unlike the single or the few that "witnessed" Mohammed to validate the murderous cult of Islam. There is no obligation for any gentile to study Torah but only to live by the basic moral laws of Noah. Jews on the other hand are obligated to study Torah and learn to live and be Jewish.
Perhaps Lubab can clearify that for me. I'm still a learning Jew...lol ;)
decimos:
while it is clear that Gentiles cannot understand the "YOKE" of the Talmud or Torah,it is clear that any Gentile may follow any mitzvah to become closer to God,and still be a Gentile.as Priests of the nations of God it is encumbant on Jews to teach us gods will ----perhaps not a total observence in the jewish sense but volantary understanding that this will bring you closer to god.
newman:
--- Quote from: decimos on September 07, 2007, 06:47:15 AM ---while it is clear that Gentiles cannot understand the "YOKE" of the Talmud or Torah,it is clear that any Gentile may follow any mitzvah to become closer to G-d,and still be a Gentile.as Priests of the nations of G-d it is encumbant on Jews to teach us gods will ----perhaps not a total observence in the jewish sense but volantary understanding that this will bring you closer to G-d.
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That's how it was explained to me. The 7 Laws of Noah are the mandatory minimum. All the other 613 are optional EXCEPT those which are strictly for Jews only such as the wearing of Teffelin, Tzit Tzit etc. Those extra laws we take on get us extra blessings.
It's like the minimum obligation of a man is to attend school 'til 16, get a basic job and pay his way. If he does extra, like attending college, works overtime, saves and invests, he has a better life than if he just did the minimum.
We can have Saturday off, too. We just can't not turn lights on and not cook or impersonate Jews in any way.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: decimos on September 07, 2007, 06:47:15 AM ---while it is clear that Gentiles cannot understand the "YOKE" of the Talmud or Torah,it is clear that any Gentile may follow any mitzvah to become closer to G-d,and still be a Gentile.as Priests of the nations of G-d it is encumbant on Jews to teach us gods will ----perhaps not a total observence in the jewish sense but volantary understanding that this will bring you closer to G-d.
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To answer a previous question as well gentiles are stictly forbidden from keeping the Sabbath the way that Jews do. The penalty for doing this is death :o.
Other than that gentiles can take on most other Mitvot (even Shabbat if they do it in another way) for the purpose of gaining reward, but not as fulfillment of an obligation.
Gentiles can even understand the secrets of the Torah, by the way, if they connect themselves to a learned Jew!
decimos:
sorry i made a typo,should read. JUST NOT the sabbeth
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