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DETROIT (WXYZ) - Controversial Quran-burning Pastor Terry Jones was ordered taken to the Wayne County Jail after refusing to post a $1 peace bond. However, someone posted the bond on his behalf not long after he was taken into custody.

The development came after a jury found a proposed protest by Jones and his associate Wayne Sapp outside the Islamic Center of America, the largest mosque in the United States, was likely to breach the peace and incite violence.

The jury began debating the case at around 3:30 p.m. Thursday. The main issue of the one day trial was whether or not Jones's main purpose was to say or do something that would incite violence. They came back with their verdict shortly after 6:30 p.m.

Based on the decision Jones was required to submit a peace bond. The judge set the bond at $1. He also ordered that neither Jones nor his associate could enter the property of the Islamic Center of America or the area surrounding it for 3 years.

The judge then asked both men if they were prepared to post their bonds. Both men refused and were taken into custody. They were due to be taken to the Wayne County Jail until their bond was posted. It is not known who posted the bonds.

At the start of Friday’s trial, prosecutors presented their arguments before the jury. They argued that a protest outside the mosque would pose a significant safety issue. They also argued that there is concern from authorities that someone may get hurt.

In addition to concerns of safety, prosecutors say the Florida pastor would not be following the law if he held a protest outside the mosque after he was denied a permit for that particular location. He was asked to hold his protest in a permit free zone, but insisted that they would still hold their protest outside of the mosque.

Jones spoke in court and argued that he has the First Amendment right to protest outside the mosque.

“I believe… they will try and show you many pictures of events trying to paint us into a [certain] light. There are possible things we did concerning Quran and the burning of the Quran which you possibly may not agree with. One thing I think we have to remember, this is to a certain extent a First Amendment issue,” said Jones.

During his opening statement before the jury, Jones talked about the charges they make against the Quran.

"“The burning of the Quran is obviously to some people offensive. We charge the Quran in three ways; the Quran is charged with the training and promoting of…activities around the world; the Quran is charged with the death, rape and torture of people worldwide whose only crime is not being Muslim; the Quran is charged with crimes against women…against minorities, against Christians with the promoting of prejudice and racism against anyone who is not a Muslim," said Jones.

The pastor's associate, Wayne Sapp, is also in court to testify about their intent to hold the protest. He told the court they have no intention of causing any violence. When questioned by prosecutors, Sapp said they planned to hold the protest regardless of the outcome of today's proceedings. Sapp was also questioned by Terry Jones, who is representing himself in the case.

Prosecutors also brought up safety concerns about Terry Jones carrying a firearm after his weapon accidentally discharged in the parking lot at Detroit TV State WJBK Thursday night. No one was injured.

Dearborn Police Chief Ronald Haddad also took the stand to testify. Chief Haddad denied the permit request that would allow the protest to take place outside of the mosque. He testified that there were concerns over safety.

Terry Jones also questioned Chief Haddad. He referred to a conversation he had with the Chief and asked him what his impression was after they had met. Chief Haddad responded that Jones was cordial and did not appear to be violent in nature.

The prosecutors wrapped up their case in the morning before the court’s lunch break.

Jones and Sapp called two witnesses after that break then rested their case. Their witnesses included a Texas Pastor who has protested with Jones before and a Rabbi who said he would join their protest at the Islamic Center of America.

After a short break closing arguments began.

During their closing arguments the lawyer for the Wayne County Prosecutor's Office argued, "Just because we have the first amendment doesn't mean you can say anything or do anything at any time." He then referenced the fact that you cannot yell "Fire" in a crowded theater because that poses a danger to the people inside.

Prosecutors then went on to describe the conditions in the area and the problems that they say would make Jones' protest dangerous. They include limited access for rescue personnel should something happen. They argue "It's a recipe for disaster."

The prosecutors also brought up Jones' and Sapp's intents saying that they have already said they will break the law by holding the protest, no matter what the court rules. It is not clear if he still intends to go through with the protest now that the jury has ruled against him.

In his closing arguments Pastor Jones rebutted the prosecutor’s claim that he and Sapp don't care, saying that they do care and that "that is why we do this."

Jones also said the reason he and Sapp would not protest at the court house is because they are not protesting American laws. He says he wants to protest at the Islamic Center of America because that is the right venue for his protest, which is against radical Islam.

Then, addressing arguments about the traffic problem, Jones asked is that a "good enough" reason to "deny someone' rights?"

After Jones wrapped up his closing argument, his associate Wayne Sapp gave his. He began by saying that the prosecution was arguing that their actions were intending to breach the peace. However, he said all of the evidence prosecutors have presented is about the actions of others. He sais the jury must judge the case on their actions and not those of others.

Sapp then referenced a video presented by prosecutors as evidence, saying it did not show any violence either by them or on their behalf.

Closing arguments wrapped up with the prosecutor's rebuttal. Then the judge gave the jury their instructions and they began deliberating. They were back with a verdict three hours later.

The courtroom drama began Thursday when, during his first court appearance, the judge ordered that Jones had to post a peace bond. That’s a court order that requires a person to submit money that would guarantee that they would not commit a breach of peace.

Jones refused to post the peace bond, which gave him the right to have a trial by jury to decide if the court was correct in imposing the bond. Jones chose to have a trial by jury instead of letting the judge decide. The main purpose of the trial was to determine what Jones's intent was in holding the protest.

Thursday’s hearing was ordered after prosecutors argued that the threat of violence was too great to allow the protest to go forward on the grounds of the Islamic Center of America. When Jones was ordered not to hold his protest on the grounds of the mosque, he was given the option to hold it in one of the city’s free speech zones.

Terry Jones is the primary speaker for 'Stand Up America Now.' The organization released the following statement to Action News Saturday morning:
"We posted the bond. We made it very, very clear that we posted this under the greatest protest!
The arrests, the whole proceedings, were a definite violation of our Constitutional rights. As a matter of fact, we were arrested and had not even committed a crime. It is a complete violation of our First Amendment Right of Freedom of Speech.
It was clearly influenced by the mosque. We were told that we were able to present our message in front of one of the "Free Speech Zones", but we were NOT allowed to present our message in the grassy area in front of the mosque. Thus making it very clear that this is not about our message, and not about us, but about the place. In other words, it is all about the location which is the Islamic Center.
Sharia is much closer than we thought. The judge even made a statement, that if the mosque elders and leadership would have desired the restraints placed on us of not going near the mosque be lifted, then he would have taken that into consideration.
Thus proving that this whole thing is a direct violation of Freedom of Speech and that they are favoring the religion of Islam.
The City of Dearborn used the court as an instrument to prevent our protest from taking place today as scheduled, and has now violated our civil liberties by preventing us from exercising our freedom of speech as planned. We will be in contact with legal representation and plan to protest next week in front of the Islamic Center."

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Re: Pastor Terry Jones released from custody after his bond is posted
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2011, 07:58:50 AM »
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/04/free-speech-victory-nj-transit-worker-fired-for-burning-koran-rehired-compensated-for-pain-and-suffe.html

FREE SPEECH VICTORY: N.J. TRANSIT WORKER FIRED FOR BURNING KORAN REHIRED, COMPENSATED FOR 'PAIN AND SUFFERING'

What should be rote, automatic, is now hard-fought. In a victory for free speech, the NJ transit worker who was fired for buring a page of the quran last Septmeber 11th has been reinstated and recompensed.

Here's the Atlas post back in Septmeber 2010:  NJ Transit Taliban Enforces the Strict Sharia: Fires Employee Who Burned Quran...

If he burned a flag or a bible, the left would have had a parade down Fifth Avenue, but in the continuing era of self-enforcing sharia, the infidel was punished.

Kudos to the ACLU for fianlly doing something right (even a broken clock is right twice a day.)

As for burning the quran, who gives a fig?

N.J. Transit Worker Fired for Burning Koran Rehired, Compensated for 'Pain and Suffering' FOX News

National Interest N.J. Transit Worker Fired for Burning Koran Rehired, Compensated for 'Pain and Suffering' FOX News A New Jersey Transit worker fired for burning a copy of the Koran near Ground Zero last Sept. 11 is getting his job back– and an extra $25,000 for his troubles.

Derek Fenton, 40, who was fired on Sept. 13, 2010 a day after torching the Muslim holy book at the site of a proposed Islamic center near the former site of the World Trade Center, is set to return to his $86,110-a-year job and receive $25,000 for pain and suffering as well as $331 in back pay for everyday since his dismissal, the Newark Star Ledger reported.

New Jersey Transit also has to pay the ACLU $25,000 in legal fees for bringing the suit on Fenton’s behalf, according to the settlement.

Fenton, who wasn't working that day, was there to mark the ninth anniversary of the attacks on the World Trade Center. His protest received national attention as well as criticism from New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie who supported his firing.

"Our government cannot pick and choose whose free speech rights are protected, based on whether or not they approve of the content of our statements or actions," Fenton said in a statement. "This is the very essence of the First Amendment."

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Re: Pastor Terry Jones released from custody after his bond is posted
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2011, 10:38:23 AM »
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Kudos to the ACLU for fianlly doing something right (even a broken clock is right twice a day.)

You know things have gone way far off the reservation when groups like the ACLU step in on a case like this... I think they see the writing on the wall that today's progressives are people that will marginalize even the ACLU.
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Re: Pastor Terry Jones released from custody after his bond is posted
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2011, 12:56:43 PM »
I wonder what the composition of dat jury done been mhmm

i bets yous it ben colooreds peoples

yemach shmum to them for doing that
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Re: Pastor Terry Jones released from custody after his bond is posted
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2011, 02:29:05 PM »
The ACLU is part of what causes a lot of these problems to begin with. They have been one of the biggest stiflers of free speech when it comes to talking about things like Christmas, God, the Bible, etc.

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« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2011, 11:38:12 PM »
The ACLU is part of what causes a lot of these problems to begin with. They have been one of the biggest stiflers of free speech when it comes to talking about things like Christmas, G-d, the Bible, etc.

They do deserve credit where credit is due though.

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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2011, 07:07:54 PM »
The ACLU is part of what causes a lot of these problems to begin with. They have been one of the biggest stiflers of free speech when it comes to talking about things like Christmas, G-d, the Bible, etc.
The ACLU is only doing this because they need to maintain some semblance of credibility.

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Re: Pastor Terry Jones released from custody after his bond is posted
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2011, 07:17:05 PM »
http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/wayne_county/quran-burning-pastor-terry-jones-to-arrive-in-metro-detroit-today

Pastor Terry Jones leaves Dearborn, vows to return for protest next week.

Controversial Quran-burning Pastor Terry Jones left Dearborn Saturday after unsuccessfully staging a protest outside of the Islamic American Center, but not before vowing to return the following week for another protest.

Jones and his associate Wayne Sapp left for Florida, but say they'll hold a protest at 5:00p.m. next Friday. This time, however, it will not be at the Islamic center, it will be at the courthouse. Jones says his constitutional rights were denied when he was arrested and unable to protest on Friday.

The development came after a jury found a proposed protest by Jones and his associate Wayne Sapp outside the Islamic Center of America, the largest mosque in the United States, was likely to breach the peace and incite violence.

The jury began debating the case at around 3:30 p.m. Thursday. The main issue of the one day trial was whether or not Jones's main purpose was to say or do something that would incite violence. They came back with their verdict shortly after 6:30 p.m.

Based on the decision Jones was required to submit a peace bond. The judge set the bond at $1. He also ordered that neither Jones nor his associate could enter the property of the Islamic Center of America or the area surrounding it for 3 years.

The judge then asked both men if they were prepared to post their bonds. Both men refused and were taken into custody. They were due to be taken to the Wayne County Jail until their bond was posted. It is not known who posted the bonds.

At the start of Friday’s trial, prosecutors presented their arguments before the jury. They argued that a protest outside the mosque would pose a significant safety issue. They also argued that there is concern from authorities that someone may get hurt.

In addition to concerns of safety, prosecutors say the Florida pastor would not be following the law if he held a protest outside the mosque after he was denied a permit for that particular location. He was asked to hold his protest in a permit free zone, but insisted that they would still hold their protest outside of the mosque.

Jones spoke in court and argued that he has the First Amendment right to protest outside the mosque.

“I believe… they will try and show you many pictures of events trying to paint us into a [certain] light. There are possible things we did concerning Quran and the burning of the Quran which you possibly may not agree with. One thing I think we have to remember, this is to a certain extent a First Amendment issue,” said Jones.

During his opening statement before the jury, Jones talked about the charges they make against the Quran.

"“The burning of the Quran is obviously to some people offensive. We charge the Quran in three ways; the Quran is charged with the training and promoting of…activities around the world; the Quran is charged with the death, rape and torture of people worldwide whose only crime is not being Muslim; the Quran is charged with crimes against women…against minorities, against Christians with the promoting of prejudice and racism against anyone who is not a Muslim," said Jones.

The pastor's associate, Wayne Sapp, is also in court to testify about their intent to hold the protest. He told the court they have no intention of causing any violence. When questioned by prosecutors, Sapp said they planned to hold the protest regardless of the outcome of today's proceedings. Sapp was also questioned by Terry Jones, who is representing himself in the case.

Prosecutors also brought up safety concerns about Terry Jones carrying a firearm after his weapon accidentally discharged in the parking lot at Detroit TV State WJBK Thursday night. No one was injured.

Dearborn Police Chief Ronald Haddad also took the stand to testify. Chief Haddad denied the permit request that would allow the protest to take place outside of the mosque. He testified that there were concerns over safety.

Terry Jones also questioned Chief Haddad. He referred to a conversation he had with the Chief and asked him what his impression was after they had met. Chief Haddad responded that Jones was cordial and did not appear to be violent in nature.

The prosecutors wrapped up their case in the morning before the court’s lunch break.

Jones and Sapp called two witnesses after that break then rested their case. Their witnesses included a Texas Pastor who has protested with Jones before and a Rabbi who said he would join their protest at the Islamic Center of America.

After a short break closing arguments began.

During their closing arguments the lawyer for the Wayne County Prosecutor's Office argued, "Just because we have the first amendment doesn't mean you can say anything or do anything at any time." He then referenced the fact that you cannot yell "Fire" in a crowded theater because that poses a danger to the people inside.

Prosecutors then went on to describe the conditions in the area and the problems that they say would make Jones' protest dangerous. They include limited access for rescue personnel should something happen. They argue "It's a recipe for disaster."

The prosecutors also brought up Jones' and Sapp's intents saying that they have already said they will break the law by holding the protest, no matter what the court rules. It is not clear if he still intends to go through with the protest now that the jury has ruled against him.

In his closing arguments Pastor Jones rebutted the prosecutor’s claim that he and Sapp don't care, saying that they do care and that "that is why we do this."

Jones also said the reason he and Sapp would not protest at the court house is because they are not protesting American laws. He says he wants to protest at the Islamic Center of America because that is the right venue for his protest, which is against radical Islam.

Then, addressing arguments about the traffic problem, Jones asked is that a "good enough" reason to "deny someone' rights?"

After Jones wrapped up his closing argument, his associate Wayne Sapp gave his. He began by saying that the prosecution was arguing that their actions were intending to breach the peace. However, he said all of the evidence prosecutors have presented is about the actions of others. He sais the jury must judge the case on their actions and not those of others.

Sapp then referenced a video presented by prosecutors as evidence, saying it did not show any violence either by them or on their behalf.

Closing arguments wrapped up with the prosecutor's rebuttal. Then the judge gave the jury their instructions and they began deliberating. They were back with a verdict three hours later.

The courtroom drama began Thursday when, during his first court appearance, the judge ordered that Jones had to post a peace bond. That’s a court order that requires a person to submit money that would guarantee that they would not commit a breach of peace.

Jones refused to post the peace bond, which gave him the right to have a trial by jury to decide if the court was correct in imposing the bond. Jones chose to have a trial by jury instead of letting the judge decide. The main purpose of the trial was to determine what Jones's intent was in holding the protest.

Thursday’s hearing was ordered after prosecutors argued that the threat of violence was too great to allow the protest to go forward on the grounds of the Islamic Center of America. When Jones was ordered not to hold his protest on the grounds of the mosque, he was given the option to hold it in one of the city’s free speech zones.

Terry Jones is the primary speaker for 'Stand Up America Now.' The organization released the following statement to Action News Saturday morning:
"We posted the bond. We made it very, very clear that we posted this under the greatest protest!
The arrests, the whole proceedings, were a definite violation of our Constitutional rights. As a matter of fact, we were arrested and had not even committed a crime. It is a complete violation of our First Amendment Right of Freedom of Speech.
It was clearly influenced by the mosque. We were told that we were able to present our message in front of one of the "Free Speech Zones", but we were NOT allowed to present our message in the grassy area in front of the mosque. Thus making it very clear that this is not about our message, and not about us, but about the place. In other words, it is all about the location which is the Islamic Center.
Sharia is much closer than we thought. The judge even made a statement, that if the mosque elders and leadership would have desired the restraints placed on us of not going near the mosque be lifted, then he would have taken that into consideration.
Thus proving that this whole thing is a direct violation of Freedom of Speech and that they are favoring the religion of Islam.
The City of Dearborn used the court as an instrument to prevent our protest from taking place today as scheduled, and has now violated our civil liberties by preventing us from exercising our freedom of speech as planned. We will be in contact with legal representation and plan to protest next week in front of the Islamic Center."

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« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2011, 07:20:20 PM »
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/137374/20110423/koran-burning-pastor-terry-jones-jailed-mosque-protests-michigan-terrorism-first-amendment-constitut.htm

Koran-burning pastor Terry Jones lands in jail for planned protest outside mosque

Terry Jones, the Florida pastor infamous for instigating burning of the Islam holy book Koran leading to a backlash across the globe, has reportedly landed in jail for planning a protest outside a mosque.

The pastor of of Gainesville, Florida recently sparked off an outrage after his anti-Islam crusade led to violent riots in Afghanistan in which as many as 20 people including United Nations personnel were killed.

Court ordered detention of Jones and his associate, Wayne Sapp, on finding that their planned protest outside the Islamic Centre of America in Dearborn, Michigan, could lead to violence.

The ruling came after Dearborn Police Chief Ronald Haddad testified that his department had received information about serious threats made against Jones from residents, arguing that his protest could lead to violence if allowed.

Sticking to his anti-Islam rhetoric even in court, Jones argued the Koran "promotes terrorist activities around the world."

He furthermore argued that he had right to protest against Islam as granted the First Amendment to the US Constitution.

The Pastor shot to popularity last September for proposing to burn Qurans in the memory of the 9/11 attacks. His proposed burning of the Quran prompted protests in countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Weeks ago, Jones yet again emerged in the negative light after a mob in Mazar-i-Sharif, Afghanistan went on a rampage against foreign workers twelve days after Jones burned a copy of the Islam holy book. The Koran was set on fire at the Dove World Outreach Center, a small church in Florida, after a mock trial on March 20.

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Re: Pastor Terry Jones released from custody after his bond is posted
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2011, 07:21:35 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_protest_mosque

Mosque protest barred by Michigan court

DEARBORN, Michigan (Reuters) – A controversial Florida pastor was barred from protesting outside the largest mosque in the United States on Friday after a Michigan jury found his appearance was likely to provoke violence.

Terry Jones, 59, was briefly jailed after refusing to pay a $1 bond as ordered by Judge Mark Somers, who also barred Jones from approaching the landmark mosque for three years.

Jones and a supporter were tried under an obscure Michigan law that dates back to 1846 requiring people judged to present a risk to public order to post a "peace bond."

Jones had planned a protest in this heavily Muslim suburb of Detroit that he said was aimed at "radical Islam." He criticized the legal moves by local officials to ban his demonstration as a violation of his free speech rights.

"The First Amendment is only valid if it allows us to say what other people may not like," said Jones, representing himself in court on Friday. "Otherwise, we do not need the First Amendment."

Jones was released from police custody in the evening about an hour after being escorted away from court after paying the token $1 bond, Dearborn police said.

Jones and a supporter, Wayne Sapp, were also both ordered to stay away from the Islamic Center of America for three years. Somers said he would consider lifting or modifying that restraining order if leaders of the mosque asked him to do so.

A six-person jury in the Dearborn court ruled earlier on Friday that the planned protest by Jones outside the mosque was "likely to breach the peace" in a city with a large Muslim American population.

Jones leads a tiny fundamentalist church in Gainesville, Florida, a fringe group unknown until he courted publicity and controversy with threats to burn the Koran last year.

Last month, Jones staged and videotaped a mock "trial" for the Koran and burned a copy of the holy book in a gesture that prompted riots in Afghanistan and widespread condemnation.

FREE SPEECH VERSUS PUBLIC SAFETY?

The one-day jury trial on Friday on the planned protest by Jones was streamed live on the Internet and attracted widespread notice for pitting issues of free speech on a highly charged issue against concerns about public safety.

Jones asked Dearborn officials for a permit to stand with Sapp on public land across from the mosque for a protest he said would be aimed at "the radical element" in Islam.

Dearborn police said the protest would have come at a time when the mosque and nearby churches would have been packed with thousands of worshipers because of prayers and the Christian holiday of Good Friday.

Another 10,000 people, including some young men bent on violence, could have descended on the area to protest the appearance by Jones, police told the court.

Police estimated it would cost over $46,000 to protect Jones and a handful of supporters from violence if they had protested outside the mosque, and denied the protest permit.

City officials had offered instead to allow Jones to demonstrate in one of a handful of designated "free speech zones" located outside city buildings.

But Jones, who wore a faded leather jacket, jeans, and a Harley Davidson T-shirt in the court, said the idea of a "free speech zone" was un-American.

"Freedom of speech does not have free zones," he said in court. "That free speech zone starts in California and goes all the way across the country."

Prosecutors painted Jones as a self-serving figure who practiced hate speech and did not care about the consequences.

"He wraps himself in the First Amendment," said Wayne county Assistant Prosecutor Robert Moran. "It's not that easy. Just because you have first amendment rights doesn't mean you can do whatever you want, whenever you want."

Moran called the planned protest "a recipe for disaster" and suggested Jones was a risk to himself and others because, as he had announced before arriving, he would be armed.

Jones accidentally fired his gun on Thursday night while trying to holster it after getting into his rented car after a television interview, police said.

"PEACE BOND"

Moran had asked the court for a "peace bond" of $25,000 from Jones and another $25,000 from Sapp.

But critics, including the American Civil Liberties Union, said officials had acted too aggressively.

An ACLU spokeswoman said Dearborn officials had violated free speech protections of the Constitution and given more publicity to a divisive and fringe figure.

"We vehemently disagree with Mr. Jones and his cohorts. However, this is a complete abuse of the court process and all those involved should be ashamed," said ACLU spokeswoman Rana Elmir.

"I believe that Rev. Jones came to Dearborn for his 15 minutes of fame," she added, "and the judge and prosecutors have now effectively given him hours of that."

Jones has not asked to be represented by the ACLU. It was not immediately clear if he would appeal or if he would hold his protest despite the ban, as he had earlier threatened.

Meanwhile, hundreds of people gathered in a light rain outside a Dearborn library on Friday night in a counter-protest against Jones that was attended by U.S. Rep. John Dingell, a Democrat from the Detroit area.

Dozens of police in riot gear had massed outside the Dearborn court during the trial. A small group of protesters gathered outside while some local Arab Americans attended the trial to register their concern.

"We're here to show Terry Jones that not all Muslims are terrorists," said 21-year-old Hussein Shukr of Dearborn who wore a T-shirt with the words "Arabs for Peace."

"No one here is trying to impose Sharia law. No one is stoning anybody," he said.

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Re: Pastor Terry Jones released from custody after his bond is posted
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2011, 04:55:52 AM »
http://www.citizens4freedom.com/Articles/tabid/1387/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/4594/Koran-burning-pastor-plans-armed-rally-at-US-mosque.aspx

Koran-burning pastor plans armed rally at US mosque

Fundamentalist Christian pastor Terry Jones who recently incited riots in Afghanistan following Koran-burning rumors is planning an armed rally at the largest mosque in the US.
The mosque, located in a Detroit suburb, sits in a heavy Muslim community in America. A Michigan prosecutor is now trying to block the rally, saying the call for arms and violence is too strong to allow the rally to take place.
Prosecutors argue the rally could provoke riots and cause intense violence. The Pastor has called for people to fight the Muslim threat in America, and has himself received a number of death threats.
Officials are hoping the court will order Jones move his rally away from the mosque in an attempt to avoid violence.
We have made it very clear that we are coming there with very, very peaceful intentions," Jones told a local Detroit television station. "We will be armed. We do have concealed weapons permits."

Jones said his rally will continue as planned, and that he comes in peace – with guns. He claims the protest is not against Islam, but radical Muslims. He claims his fight is not about hate, but about standing up for America.
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How is this guy a 'fundamentalist'?

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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2011, 02:16:14 AM »
I'd say he's right in line with the idiots at Westboro Baptist Church.  No good can come from what he's doing.  He's getting good people killed.

Burning a koran?  Is that going to help stop islam?  No, it only makes muslims more determined to destroy us because they are driven purely by hate towards Israel and the West.

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Re: Pastor Terry Jones released from custody after his bond is posted
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2011, 02:24:50 AM »
I'd say he's right in line with the idiots at Westboro Baptist Church.  No good can come from what he's doing.  He's getting good people killed.

Burning a koran?  Is that going to help stop islam?  No, it only makes muslims more determined to destroy us because they are driven purely by hate towards Israel and the West.

But there is more at stake than that. Intimidation by Islam, that their 'holy book' is somehow more sacred than our Torah or the Christian bible. How many Torah scrolls have been burned by Islam? And how many bibles destroyed? And yet they are so upset about one man expressing his freedom of speech, in America no less!

I am on the pastors side on this one. Although I generally don't believe burning a book is a good thing to do because it recalls the dark days of the inquisition and the crusades, when the Christians burned Jewish Talmuds and other holy books in the streets. But in this case it is just one man expressing his freedom, a freedom which I support as an American citizen. I am against flag burning also, but I believe that it is a form of expression, and should be protected.

I do not worry about what the muslims think about it. They hate us whether we burn korans or we don't. I know that because I am a proud Jew that there are people who hate me. I do not worry about it.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: Pastor Terry Jones released from custody after his bond is posted
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2011, 08:22:00 AM »
I see more attacks by Left-wing groups especially this year.