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High school kid named Osama
Imerica:
--- Quote from: Zvulun ben Moshe on June 13, 2007, 08:37:59 PM ---Have you ever hit another car or person, while driving?
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Thankfully I haven't. I had a close one a few weeks ago but there was no contact.
Imerica:
--- Quote from: Scriabin on June 13, 2007, 08:38:37 PM ---
--- Quote from: Zvulun ben Moshe on June 13, 2007, 08:35:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: Imerica on June 13, 2007, 08:25:58 PM ---
--- Quote from: Zvulun ben Moshe on June 13, 2007, 08:19:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: Scriabin on June 13, 2007, 07:12:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: Imerica on June 12, 2007, 09:48:20 AM ---
--- Quote from: Scriabin on June 12, 2007, 01:09:19 AM ---
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What??? and further ???...
First of all, Osama Bin Laden wasn't the FIRST OSAMA EVER BORN. Osama might have been the child's Grandfather's name. How would you feel if everytime someone name a child Chaim (of which I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands in the Jewish community)...but everytime said child went to school, people likened him to Chaim Ben Pechach (sp?) , a man who spent time in jail for something horrible. What would you say?
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What did Chaim do that was horrible?
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According to http://www.answers.com/topic/chaim-ben-pesach
In 1971, at the age of 14, he joined the Jewish Defense League. He eventually became the JDL National Chairman in September 1978. He had to step down in December 1978 after he went to jail for bombing Egyptian targets in an effort to stop the Israeli retreat from the Sinai Peninsula. After his release and upon the completion of his probation in July 1983, he rejoined JDL. In 1984, he eventually became Chairman again and, in an effort to influence the Soviet Union to allow Jewish emigration, in the 1980s, he bombed Soviet diplomatic targets in New York and tear-gassed a ballet performance at Lincoln Center that featured Soviet performers. He continued as JDL Chairman until his arrest in 1987. He pleaded guilty in connection with six bombings and was sentenced to ten years but served five and a half before being released on probation.
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I know. What did he do that was horrible?
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Scriabin, you gotta understand whom you are talking to.
For Erica (and she will agree with me. Right, Erica?) Chaim was wrong by not killing anyone, by not raping anyone, and by not robbing anyone. For her this is abnormal.
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No I don't agree with you. He helped to set off bombs. I don't see how that's a good thing at all. I never said he should have raped or killed anyone but his actions could very well have done so. He served his time.
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Do you drive, Erica?
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She almost killed some poor motorcyclist.
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That was uncalled for, really. I actually admitted that to Zvulun. It was an accident. I turned too widely and didn't see the cyclist in my blind spot. It was totally my fault and I owned up to it.
Zvulun Ben Moshe:
--- Quote from: Imerica on June 13, 2007, 08:41:08 PM ---
--- Quote from: Zvulun ben Moshe on June 13, 2007, 08:37:59 PM ---Have you ever hit another car or person, while driving?
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Thankfully I haven't. I had a close one a few weeks ago but there was no contact.
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There was no contact? Great. But it could have occurred, right?
Zvulun Ben Moshe:
You see? You are using the same hypothetical reasoning.
You may say that even if you killed the guy, you at least did not do that intentionally.
Then I would say, can you prove me that was the intent of Chaim. And the answer is no. He did his time for political protesting.
By the way, if you lived in Russia, you would have gone to jail for killing or even injuring someone on the road. There was no insurance there.
Now, what is the chance of a mass murder occurence when you crash a plane into a skyscraper?
99.99%. Right?
Osama is a bad guy. You and Chaim are good guys.
Imerica:
--- Quote from: Zvulun ben Moshe on June 13, 2007, 08:43:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: Imerica on June 13, 2007, 08:41:08 PM ---
--- Quote from: Zvulun ben Moshe on June 13, 2007, 08:37:59 PM ---Have you ever hit another car or person, while driving?
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Thankfully I haven't. I had a close one a few weeks ago but there was no contact.
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There was no contact? Great. But it could have occurred, right?
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You're right, but the difference between the accident and Chaim is that I didn't set out to hurt anyone. I went to pick my stepdaughter up from school and turned too widly out into the road. It was my fault. Chaim knew that there would be a possibility that someone could get hurt by his actions, and he did it anyway. The similarity though is that both Chaim and I owned up to what we'd done.
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