'Amerikan kabbalist' flays & filets R.Ovadiya Yosef over Lag b'Omer push-off

[wonga66]

The 'Amerikan Kabbalist' here heavily asperses R.Ovadiya Yosef in this instantly playing audio clip http://www.zshare.net/audio/90076299b87f16ff/
for controversially deigning to docheh the hadloko of this year's Lag b'Omer http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israeli-haredim-divided-after-top-sephardi-rabbi-postpones-lag-ba-omer-1.361163 and for "attempting to extinguish the light of the Rashbi's Zohar"!





Looks like Israel is going to get 2 whole days of bonfire smoke!

[muman613]

Is this the issue of postponing celebrating Lag B'Omer due to the concern of some Rabbis that it may lead to Shabbat desecration?

I thought that this has already been decided.

Could you please explain what the disagreement is about? I don't have the time now to listen to the audio clip.

[muman613]

Here is the article from haaretz..

Israeli Haredim divided after top Sephardi rabbi postpones Lag Ba'omer

Lag Ba'omer falls on Saturday night this year, and to avoid tempting people to begin their preparations before the Sabbath ends, Yosef ruled that it should be marked a day later.

By Yair Ettinger

A ruling by Shas spiritual leader Rabbi Ovadia Yosef that celebrations of the Lag Ba'omer holiday should be postponed by a day to prevent desecration of the Sabbath has caused an uproar in Haredi (ultra-Orthodox ) circles.

The eve of Lag Ba'omer is traditionally celebrated with bonfires. This year, it falls on Saturday night, and to avoid tempting people to begin their preparations before the Sabbath ends, Yosef ruled that it should be marked a day later.

Both Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi Yona Metzger and Sephardic Chief Rabbi Shlomo Amar issued similar rulings. But many other ultra-Orthodox rabbis object and are continuing to prepare for the main bonfire-lighting on Mount Meron Saturday night.

Among them is the head of the anti-Zionist Toldot Aharon sect, which rejects the authority of the chief rabbis - including Yosef, a former chief rabbi.

The Lag Ba'omer celebration on Mount Meron has become Israel's biggest annual event, with some 500,000 people attending. Thus if the Mount Meron ceremony goes ahead on Saturday night, many policemen will find themselves having to desecrate the Sabbath in order to help prepare and provide security.

A source in Yosef's household said it was this factor that led him to rule in favor of postponement.

To avoid the problem of Sabbath desecration by police, the head of the Boyan Hasidic sect, who traditionally lights the first fire at Mount Meron, said he would not begin until half past midnight.

Last week, senior religious Zionist rabbis asked Education Minister Gideon Sa'ar to move the Lag Ba'omer school vacation from Sunday, May 22 to Monday, May 23. But the math matriculation exam set for May 23 made that impossible.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

The opinion of the halachist would be relevant then, NOT that of the kabbalist.  He can "filet" all he wants, but he really has nothing to say about halacha.  Jews live by halacha, not kabbalist inventions.   Maybe he can filet some fish and with something to eat he will have less free time on his hands.

[wonga66]

Chayim himself in this immediately playing audio clip
http://www.zshare.net/audio/900919372f242e86/
is no admirer of Ovadiya Yosef, calling him "Ovadiya Kessef","degenerate", "mumbles like a moron", "completely insane", "senile" and "rambling"!

Don't forget that Yosef "Halachically" permits "Land for Peace", and instructed Shas to support Oslo in 1993.

Without Ovadiya Yosef, Oslo would never have passed.

[wonga66]

'Amerikan Kabbalist' is also a Halachist, as well as a Kabbalist. And if you listen to his clip, he actually brings out the Halachic kav from out of the Pnimiyus Hatorah (Kabbalah).

The opinion of the halachist would be relevant then, NOT that of the kabbalist.  

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Chayim himself in this immediately playing audio clip
http://www.zshare.net/audio/900919372f242e86/
is no admirer of Ovadiya Yosef, calling him "Ovadiya Kessef","degenerate", "mumbles like a moron", "completely insane", "senile" and "rambling"!

Irrelevant ad hominem attack.   Chaim had reasons for saying those things at the time - Rabbi Yosef behaved as a traitor when he supported Oslo.  But that doesn't make him into an incompetent vegetable and no longer a halachic authority, G-d forbid.

Don't forget that Yosef "Halachically" permits "Land for Peace", and instructed Shas to support Oslo in 1993.  

How could I ever forget that?   Problem for you is, it has nothing to do with Lag bOmer and the issue of Shabbat desecration.

Without Ovadiya Yosef, Oslo would never have passed.

True.  And yet that does NOT discredit every single thing he says... except in the mind of a buffoon.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

'Amerikan Kabbalist' is also a Halachist, as well as a Kabbalist. And if you listen to his clip, he actually brings out the Halachic kav from out of the Pnimiyus Hatorah (Kabbalah).

Halacha is determined from the Talmud, not kabbalah.  Desecration of Shabbat is forbidden by Torah and Talmudic law codifies it.   We have no right to disobey that, no matter what kabbala or other philosophy one claims to possess.