Hi, former white nationalist convert to christianity here.

[omnium]

Wow what a crazy couple days I've had!

I think I've finally figured out whats happening in the world. I just converted a couple days ago and for the first time I'm actually optimistic about our future.  About 2 years ago I became so cynical and jaded with what was happening in the world I completely stopped reading the news and went through a very negative period of complete hopelessness where I went back to my drug of choice Meth. Anyways a couple days ago I started reading the news because my sister said that there are some really crazy things going on in the world. So I go to all my fav sites expecting to see something that confirms my old suspicions that Obama is just a closeted zionist. Well what do I see but a whole load of stuff about Chrislam and all these new age religions and such claiming Obama is the messiah. All of the prophecy is being fulfilled its amazing! Israel will soon be very much alone in the world. The jews pretty much have no friends right now because of an elaborately crafted New World Order conspiracy. I'll try to explain what I think is going on and why I think loads of white nationalists are soon going to wake up too and support you guys.

"I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.  Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer . . . be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. . . . Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Revelation 2:9-10, 3:9."

Jews in positions of high power in federal reserve, financiers of Bolshevik revolution, hollywood, media are purposely trying to make all of you look bad! They get in these positions of power and do horrible things while openly proclaiming their Jewishness on purpose they are trying to get everyone to hate you. I sincerely believe they are satanists (it sounds weird to say that since I've been an atheist since I was 13 or so) They are trying to get everything blamed on the average normal jew. If I were the leader of a Jewish conspiracy and plotting to take over the whole world I would not put openly Jewish people where anyone who takes 2 minutes with google could be able to find them and point them out to the world. I would put up gentile puppets and pull their strings silently from behind the scenes so when the [censored] hits the fan it will be blamed on them. Not only that but the Jews in the media 

In the bible it says everything will be opposite towards the end of days. Its odd but now that I think about it. I've always believed opposite of what the main population believe. Right now most are liberal / anti zionist. Now I'm far right racialist / pro zionist.  More and more of everything I see around me just confirms the bible is true! Its amazingly accurate in predicting the world as we see it right now with end times prophecy.

These mostly black mega churches are just businesses who have made a pact with the satanist bankers to deceive their flock. The jews are pretty much universally hated like it says they will be. China has 200 million man army, Russia is Gog / Magog and allied with Turkish states. I think they will remain allied until Russia leads the attack on Israel and it pushed back at which time Russia will turn against the muslims. Russia's army is now 50% muslim. Then china will march toward Israel etc.

I gotta go but will get into Cain and Abel story of the bible and how Origen was a heretic and how he lied when he said that the line of Cain had died in the flood.

[mord]

Welcome

[briann]

Glad to see you have seen the light.  I came accross a few former nazi born-agains when I worked with an early-release convict program.  They really had NO interaction with Jews or Zionists, and learned everything from turn of the century propoganda and when they finally met a true Jewish or Christian zionist, they figured out it was all a lie.

How old are you?

Where did you get your WN info from?

Are your parents or any of your friends righteous Christians?

[muman613]

Revelations is not a part of Jewish scripture. There are many religious Jews here and we don't really enjoy discussing the non-Jewish scriptures...

WN have traditionally been the bread-and-butter of the Nazis...

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Revelations is not a part of Jewish scripture. There are many religious Jews here and we don't really enjoy discussing the non-Jewish scriptures...

WN have traditionally been the bread-and-butter of the Nazis...

Sorry, nice try, the rule is no missionizing, not no discussion of personal belief.

[muman613]

Sorry, nice try, the rule is no missionizing, not no discussion of personal belief.

Im not trying anything.... People are free to believe what they want... But it is treading into touchy areas when we try to discuss things for which our beliefs have huge differences...

What is odd is that the quote from revelations which he brings is the very reason which the Xtians have killed Jews through pogroms and crusades. That is the quote from which they say that the Jews are of Satan.

Maybe you can explain this:

"I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer . . . be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. . . . Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Revelation 2:9-10, 3:9."

But of course no 'real-Christians' have ever killed Jews... I forgot that one...

http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=93&Itemid=368

How does the Book of Revelation promote hatred of Jews?

Answer: In the Book of Revelation there are seven letters to seven churches supposedly written by the heavenly Jesus. They appear in Revelation 2:1 through 3:22. In each letter the angel (messenger) of the specific church is addressed and, in turn, the church members are told that Jesus knows who they are and the level of their spirituality. We are concerned here with letters two (2:8-11) and six (3:7-13).

In Revelation 2:9, Jesus is said to have written, "I know your works, tribulations and your poverty (but you are rich), and the blasphemy by those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan." In Revelation 3:9, Jesus is said to have written, "Behold, I will cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews, and are not, but lie--behold, I will make them to come and bow down at your feet, and to know that I have loved you." Jews who do not accept Christianity are characterized as worshipers of Satan, hence, the expression "synagogue of Satan."

According to Paul's definition of a "true" Jew, "he is not a Jew who is one outwardly; neither is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God" (Romans 2:28-29). That is, the Christian notion of a "true" Jew refers to Jews and Gentiles who follow Paul's concept of submission to belief in Jesus, not adherence to the Torah. Jews by birth or choice who do not believe in Jesus as Lord and Savior are classified as Jews of the "flesh" not "true" spiritual Jews. The author of Revelation declares that Jews of the "flesh" who do not become "true" Jews (that is, Christians) worship Satan and are destined to someday be subdued and come to bow down at the feet of Jesus' beloved church.

Is it any wonder that the expression "synagogue of Satan" in combination with John 8:44, where "the Jews" are characterized as descended from Satan, helped produce a portrait for faithful Christians of the "evil" Jew whose deeds on behalf of Satan took on ominous proportions? Is it any wonder that the church and its faithful followers sought to hasten the day when Jesus would fulfill his promise to "make them [the synagogue of Satan] come and bow down at your feet" (verse 9) by persecution of the Jews?

[Lisa]

Muman, I think Yimach Shemo to Weiner was addressing our newest member, the former w.n. 

[muman613]

BTW, YSTW...

I am not looking for any trouble... I tried to explain this issue in my first post in a nice way... But that quote stuck out to me as odd..

Lisa, if you look at YSTW reply it is in reply to what I posted... Because I said that we should avoid talking about non-Jewish scriptural sources he said that the rule is no missionising, not no talk about personal belief.

Once again... I am not trying to make waves. I tried to express this in a tactful manner..

[Lisa]

Just out of curiosity Omnium, did you harm any Jews while you were a w.n?  If so, what have you done to make it up to them?  

Now I have a hard time believing you are no longer a w.n., since you brought up Jews in power.  But anyway, what made you stop being a w.n?  

[Lisa]

YMTW, Muman was not missionizing.  So take it easy here.

[muman613]

Upon reading deeper into his post I must say that I agree with it somewhat. I agree that there are some Jews who are certainly giving all Jews a bad name. I hope that these Erev Rav will be dealt with eventually.

[briann]

YMTW, Muman was not missionizing.  So take it easy here.

YMTW was not saying that Muman was missionizing, and even if he was, I think thats ok in a Jewish Forum.  YMTW was simply saying that there are no rules against people including quotes from non-Jewish religions....   Its only wrong from those from other religions trying to convert Jews.

I personally dont want to scare away 'omnium' or ban him, because he offers a unique perspective of being blinded by Naziism at one point in time.  However, naziism is such a complete load of nonsense and lies, that It IS very common for those who followed it to reach a point where they say..... Wait, this is all a load of crap; especially when contrasted with righteousness.

But obviously, all former Nazis or former Muslims have to be treated with a HUGE amount of skepticism.  I have a feeling that omnium has a tough time separating fact from fiction at this point in time.  Especially since so much of his life may be based on lies.

[muman613]

YMTW was not saying that Muman was missionizing, and even if he was, I think thats ok in a Jewish Forum.  YMTW was simply saying that there are no rules against people including quotes from non-Jewish religions....   Its only wrong from those from other religions trying to convert Jews.

I personally dont want to scare away 'omnium' or ban him, because he offers a unique perspective of being blinded by Naziism at one point in time.  However, naziism is such a complete load of nonsense and lies, that It IS very common for those who followed it to reach a point where they say..... Wait, this is all a load of crap; especially when contrasted with righteousness.

But obviously, all former Nazis or former Muslims have to be treated with a HUGE amount of skepticism.  I have a feeling that omnium has a tough time separating fact from fiction at this point in time.  Especially since so much of his life may be based on lies.

I am not saying anything concerning his motives or making any judgement on his beliefs... I just wanted to say that because the particular quote has been used to harm Jews for centuries...

[omnium]

Well I'm still new to all of this so I'm still trying to figure out exactly what to make of things right now. I assure you all I'm saying is coming from a place of very well meaning.

My sister generally agrees with me.

No I've never hurt a Jew or anything like that. I think 99.9% of white nationalists on StørmFrønt haven't either, they only want the same thing that you want and that is survival of their people. In fact it was talking to a messianic Jew who worked at a gas station about the NWO and corrupt Jews in the media and agreed with me about race etc that sort of helped me wake up.

If it wasn't for Michael Savage and the two guys from JTF who post video's on youtube I probably wouldn't be here right now. The reason why I am is because they are more than willing to call out the corrupt and decadent jews of Hollywood and the Bolsheviks etc. You have to understand that covering up the crimes of these bad Jews only makes it look like you are all conspiring against us. I think this is how they have successfully isolated you. Also it works in their favor as it makes you side with the Jews in the media and dependent on them as any time a gentile white criticizes a decadent Jew they will say they are nazi's.

Just look at who the media is saying is responsible for the economic crisis. They are blaming bankers. Its not too long before Obama says it is the Jewish bankers who are too blame. Sure enough when people start googling the names of Bernanke and Greenspan that will be all the evidence that will be needed by the public. Its very important that you seperate yourselves from them. Honestly I'm only trying to help and explain how you are perceived. You are being set up guys! I think these are satanists pretending to be Jews so that Jews will be held accountable for all the financial problems.

[muman613]

Well I'm still new to all of this so I'm still trying to figure out exactly what to make of things right now. I assure you all I'm saying is coming from a place of very well meaning.

My sister generally agrees with me.

No I've never hurt a Jew or anything like that. I think 99.9% of white nationalists on StørmFrønt haven't either, they only want the same thing that you want and that is survival of their people. In fact it was talking to a messianic Jew who worked at a gas station about the NWO and corrupt Jews in the media and agreed with me about race etc that sort of helped me wake up.

If it wasn't for Michael Savage and the two guys from JTF who post video's on youtube I probably wouldn't be here right now. The reason why I am is because they are more than willing to call out the corrupt and decadent jews of Hollywood and the Bolsheviks etc. You have to understand that covering up the crimes of these bad Jews only makes it look like you are all conspiring against us. I think this is how they have successfully isolated you. Also it works in their favor as it makes you side with the Jews in the media and dependent on them as any time a gentile white criticizes a decadent Jew they will say they are nazi's.

I don't know what you are talking about 'covering up for Jews'.... Who are we covering up for?

And the only people we at JTF call Nazis are all Jew-Haters... We don't call anyone else a Nazi...

Heck, we {most everyone I know at JTF} considers Soros to be a Nazi and he was born Jewish {although he cooperated with the Nazis}...

BTW: 'messianic jews' are not Jewish.. They don't believe in the Jewish belief. J4J was invented by the Evangelical Christians..

[omnium]

I don't know what you are talking about 'covering up for Jews'.... Who are we covering up for

I'm speaking about ethnic / cultural jews rather than those who are religiously Jewish. From a white nationalists perspective it looks like the Bolshevik Jews just pretended to be atheists but really kept their Jewish religion in secret. (This is just how it looks from an outside perspective)

I wrote a bit more to that post above my friend in an edit to help explain myself better ^

This was mostly in response to Lisa's comment that implied that since I named some corrupt Jews that I must be a nazi. Soros is a Jew who I would call one 'of the Jews who claim to be Jews but are not, a member of the synagogue of satan." The problem from my perspective of calling Soros a Nazi is that he has marxist leftist ideology and by calling him a Nazi is a good way of distancing himself from you but it would work better if you called him a 'traitor bolshevik jew' or something like that. As it acknowledges that he is a Jew (therefore it doesn't look like he is being protected and his Jewish heritage hidden)

Just would work much better with gentile whites who acknowledge that there are a lot of Jews in the NWO is all I'm saying.

[muman613]

I'm speaking about ethnic / cultural jews rather than those who are religiously Jewish. From a white nationalists perspective it looks like the Bolshevik Jews just pretended to be atheists but really kept their Jewish religion in secret. (This is just how it looks from an outside perspective)

I wrote a bit more to that post above my friend in an edit to help explain myself better ^

This was mostly in response to Lisa's comment that implied that since I named some corrupt Jews that I must be a nazi. Soros is a Jew who I would call one 'of the Jews who claim to be Jews but are not, a member of the synagogue of satan." The problem from my perspective of calling Soros a Nazi is that he has marxist leftist ideology and by calling him a Nazi is a good way of distancing himself from you but it would work better if you called him a 'traitor bolshevik jew' or something like that. As it acknowledges that he is a Jew (therefore it doesn't look like he is being protected and his Jewish heritage hidden)

Just would work much better with gentile whites who acknowledge that there are a lot of Jews in the NWO is all I'm saying.

I don't know anyone who protects the wicked. And JTF surely is not a place where you will find that...

[Lisa]

I call Soros a Nazi because he posed as a non-Jew while going with a friend of his father's to confiscate the homes and property of Jews, knowing very well what would happen to those people.  

To this day, Soros has never expressed remorse for what he did.  In fact, he says it was one of the happiest times of his life.  So I don't care if he was born of a Jewish mother.  Soros collaborated with Nazis, so that makes him one in my book, as well as a traitor bolshevik Jew. 

Furthermore, Nazi was an acronym for National Socialist Workers Party.  When the Nazis took power, they confiscated gun rights and most property rights as well.  Doesn't sound right wing to me at all.  

[muman613]

Another 'theological' note to the new member...

Jews do not believe that there is a 'Satan' as you believe in him. You may have heard that Jews only believe that Satan is an angel who does the will of G-d himself. Satan is no different than any other angel and he even sings praises to G-d every day. We don't believe in Dualism, the concept that there is a good G-d and a bad G-d {G-d versus Satan}. We believe that everything in the world is in absolute control by Hashem, the master of Creation, and there is no power which can affect his will.

So to say that 'Jews' are Satans synagogue doesn't make any sense. All humanity is in the hand of G-d himself. The Prosecuting angel, HaSatan, is only able to tempt and sway a man to exercise his 'freewill' to go against the word of G-d. The degree to which the prosecuting angel has control is only within a mans free-will. Every Jew, and every human, has two forces which motivate him. These are the 'Yetzer Tov' and the 'Yetzer hara' the good inclination and the bad inclination. Every human has desires and lusts which he must reign in. This is the battle which the Satan wages, in the heart and mind of man...

http://www.beingjewish.com/basics/satan.html
http://www.torah.org/learning/kolhakollel/5763/vayishlach.html

[omnium]

I don't know anyone who protects the wicked. And JTF surely is not a place where you will find that...

I don't believe that any of you would knowingly protect the wicked. For the record I'm not accusing Lisa of protecting the wicked either. I used to be a liberal, I unknowingly protected the wicked because I was brainwashed. Now I think most people here can agree that the NWO controls the world. I think its safe to assume that we are all brainwashed in some ways which keep us from uniting. They've successfully turned the whole world against you, you guys need friends. Don't send those away who just want to make peace and help you out.

[muman613]

I don't believe that any of you would knowingly protect the wicked. For the record I'm not accusing Lisa of protecting the wicked either. I used to be a liberal, I unknowingly protected the wicked because I was brainwashed. Now I think most people here can agree that the NWO controls the world. I think its safe to assume that we are all brainwashed in some ways which keep us from uniting. They've successfully turned the whole world against you, you guys need friends. Don't send those away who just want to make peace and help you out.

I only have issues with beliefs which may muddy a Jews Emmunah/Faith and Bitachon/Trust in G-d.

http://www.torah.org/learning/kolhakollel/5763/vayishlach.html
Thus, the Yetzer Hara (the evil inclination: Satan's personal tampering with one's thoughts creating each individual's temptation to sin and do wrong) finds success in failure and failure in success. As a servant of the King of Kings, he serves with gusto, always trying to pull the Jew away from G-d. But his success in our failure ultimately serves to detract from G-d's glory, a phenomenon that pains him immensely. As relentless as he is to gain in his objective of stunting our spiritual growth, he wishes he would lose the battle. His true Divine objective is to challenge us to fail so that we may overcome him and grow from that challenge. Ultimately, when he loses, he wins.

And just how does Satan thrive with such a backward assignment? Because it is only through him that creation has purpose. Without him there is no "choice" in the world, no reason to want to do anything but fulfill G-d's will. But such service would be empty and devoid of meaning. G-d's essential expression of kindness in creation is His allowance for us to develop and grow in our "G-d consciousness", to actively foster a relationship with Him through fulfillment of the mitzvos (Divine commands) of His Torah while resisting the tug of the Yetzer Hara to do otherwise.

Intellectually, we know the Yetzer Hara would love nothing more than to fail. The least we can do is work to accommodate him.

[omnium]

Its a very interesting take on good and evil and one that makes a lot of sense. Also it makes me wonder even more about a theory I've had which is that those in power are just pretending to be evil, or being evil knowing that it serves gods divine plan, because you need very bad things to happen sometimes before any real change is possible. There must be enough of an emotional charge to a particular even to create enough of a reaction for any real change to be long lasting. Ultimately the ends justify the means etc.

Kind of like a kid who puts his hand above a stove and then pulls away when he feels it getting hot. He will just come back and do it again until he actually makes contact with it and gets a very painful burn. Only then will he learn.

[Dr. Dan]

Omnium, I first want to welcome you to the forum.  You do come with a unique perspective which had some good and bad in it.  While you are here we will try to sway you in the right and proper direction.  One thing that is great about this forum is that can debate with members and ask chaim lots of questions each week.

I'm going to sum up a few key points about us.

We are a jewish forum.  We follow the rules and make decisions based in the jewish bible. and torah.  All religions are welcome here, but those who are not jewish or are secular or athiest need to understand and accept how we make decisions.

Our goal is to save israel, america, and righteous nations.  We separate people by evil and righteous behavior and cultures; not by the color if their skin or genes.  We do not discriminate people with different genetics, but we discriminate by the culture they belong to. If their culture is evil and jew hating, they are guilty until proven innocent. And if their culture is good, innocent until proven guilty.

While we love our fellow jews and righteous non jews, we do not discriminate on their race if they are righteous.

To address one of your points of obsession, jews do not control the media and banks and whatever else. Their might be a lot of them higher up, and a lot if them might be evil and should be cursed.  However, they are not exclusively the problem.  It us evil behavior and encouragement if such deeds that needed to be stopped.

You have to remove your nazi racist mentality from this forum and look at things more clearly.  We have to stop evil no matter the color or religion someone might come from and encourage righteous behavior in all peoples.

[Chai]

Please tell us more how the enemy thinks and their perspective,

So far, it seems like they think like Hiter from his book Mien Kimph where Hitl r states That he worries most about the cultural Jews b/c they are inwardly hiding and secretly Zionists and religious .  Read the book of Ester, you should see a parallel.

By the way Omnium the biggest mistake  Jews ever did was to ask for help from the nations , we saw what happens when  Israel turned to Egypt , then Greece, Rome and now Ultimately Americans.
Even Joseph was punished for asking the Egyptian servant for help when he was in jail. We learn from this , Dont ask the nations for help!

If you ever learn one thing form the bible learn this, and  im paraphrasing from the 7-15th chapters here but in sum..

My people you say "peace peace"  but there will be no peace until you repent only terror.- Jeremiah

[Chai]

Omnium, I first want to welcome you to the forum.  You do come with a unique perspective which had some good and bad in it.  While you are here we will try to sway you in the right and proper direction.  One thing that is great about this forum is that can debate with members and ask chaim lots of questions each week.

I'm going to sum up a few key points about us.

We are a jewish forum.  We follow the rules and make decisions based in the jewish bible. and torah.  All religions are welcome here, but those who are not jewish or are secular or athiest need to understand and accept how we make decisions.

Our goal is to save israel, america, and righteous nations.  We separate people by evil and righteous behavior and cultures; not by the color if their skin or genes.  We do not discriminate people with different genetics, but we discriminate by the culture they belong to. If their culture is evil and jew hating, they are guilty until proven innocent. And if their culture is good, innocent until proven guilty.

While we love our fellow jews and righteous non jews, we do not discriminate on their race if they are righteous.

To address one of your points of obsession, jews do not control the media and banks and whatever else. Their might be a lot of them higher up, and a lot if them might be evil and should be cursed.  However, they are not exclusively the problem.  It us evil behavior and encouragement if such deeds that needed to be stopped.

You have to remove your nazi racist mentality from this forum and look at things more clearly.  We have to stop evil no matter the color or religion someone might come from and encourage righteous behavior in all peoples.

I think though in a way it is a compliment (even if its not meant to be)  we are less then 1% of the population yet we control a disproportional about even in the fields of medicine and law. God told the Jews be a light in to the nations not a Karl Marx , Spielberg , or Maadoff. Jews do have a special soul that drives them and thats why God said what he said so that Jews  channel this energy for for good , if not they become  spiritually cut off  turn into the ultimate monsters in history  The Jews themselves  suffer in the long run , as well as the rest of the world. How many Jews suffered from the rebellious Marx not following the torah ? and ultimately  the gentiles themselves?