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What Can We Learn from Disgraced Warren Jeffs?
« on: August 09, 2011, 12:52:59 AM »
Until recently I was sympathetic to what I had heard about Warren Jeffs, the spiritual leader of the Fundamentalist Church of JC of Latter Day Saints, because in general I believe that some religions {including Judaism} have some permissiveness of multiple wives. Judaism disallows this practice in todays age, but that custom could change if needed. We have discussed the Jewish view on this topic in the Torah section of JTF forum. But what I am learning at this time about what went on is making my skin crawl.

Coaching young girls to have sex with him and threatening their afterlife if they refused to do so is a very sick thing to do in the name of a religion. If these allegations are true then I hope that the Fundamentalist Mormon church distances itself from this kind of stuff (Apparently they have). There is nothing righteous about doing what is alleged in this article. And I believe it is sick to even contemplate having as many 'wives' (Allegedly he has 78 wives) as this Mr. Warrens critter.


http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/sns-rt-us-polgyamist-trialtre7776kf-20110808,0,1152013.story

KTXL
Jurors hear polygamist leader warn girls not to reject him
Jim Forsyth

SAN ANTONIO (Reuters) - Texas jurors heard polygamist leader Warren Jeffs, who heads a breakaway Mormon sect, warning underage girls in a tape played on Monday that G-d would reject them if they refused to have sex with him.

One juror broke down in tears as prosecutors in the punishment phase of Jeffs' child sex assault trial played explicit audio recordings detailing his sexual involvement with multiple young girls at his group's west Texas ranch.

In one tape, Jeffs is heard telling the girls they "need to be excited." Jurors also heard him tell the girls that if they refused him in what he has dubbed the "heavenly sessions", they would be "rejected by G-d."

Jeffs, 55, faces a maximum of 119 years in prison after he was convicted last week on charges of sexual assault of two girls whom he "married" when they were 12 and 14 years old at his sect's Yearning for Zion Ranch in rural Texas.

Jeffs fathered a child with the older girl.

Jeffs is considered the spiritual leader of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and has argued in loud outbursts that the Texas court was trampling on his religious rights by trying the case.

His polygamist sect, which experts estimate has 10,000 followers in North America, has been condemned by the mainstream Mormon Church and is accused of promoting marriages between older men and girls.

Prosecutors also showed the jury several photographs of Jeffs casually dressed in shorts, a T-shirt, and a cap with a beer logo on it, countering the image of Jeffs in the courtroom as a conservatively dressed religious man.

Also introduced into evidence were several written statements that Assistant Texas Attorney General Eric Nichols said Jeffs either wrote or dictated, including one in which he wrote, "If the world knew what I was doing, they would hang me from the highest tree."

POLYGAMIST COALITION DENOUNCES JEFFS

Jeffs has been "boycotting" the punishment phase of the trial since he walked out on proceedings on Friday, sitting instead under guard in another room of the Tom Green County Jail in San Angelo, where the trial is taking place.

As the Jeffs trial raised the profile of U.S. polygamists, a coalition of fundamentalist and polygamist groups in Utah denounced the FLDS leader and pledged that women who choose to participate in plural marriages wait until they are 18 years old to do so.

Jeffs, whose banned offshoot of Mormonism says men have to have three wives to be admitted into heaven, represented himself in his own defense and has repeatedly said he was the subject of religious persecution.

He introduced the Book of Mormon into evidence in his trial, and said the religion sanctions and protects polygamist relationships. The mainstream Mormon Church, which outlawed polygamy in the 19th century, considers the FLDS to be an outlaw cult.

The Utah-based Apostolic United Brethren, an umbrella group for several polygamist congregations, denounced what they called "despicable and unconscionable acts" by Jeffs, who Nichols says has 78 "wives," 24 of whom were under the age of 17 when the relationships began.

"We repudiate and denounce Warren Jeffs' inappropriate actions in linking his despicable and unconscionable acts to the Gospel of Jesus Christ and to (Mormon Church founder) Joseph Smith, Jr.," the group said.

The organization, which does not represent Jeffs' group, called his "spiritual marriages" with girls as young as 12 "radical religious deviations and abuses of power under the false pretense of priesthood authority."

Testimony was expected to resume on Tuesday.
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Re: What Can We Learn from Disgraced Warren Jeffs?
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2011, 03:15:25 AM »
What he did was sickening for sure.

But my position on polygamous marriage is that it is a re-defining of marriage, similar to Gay marriage. 

People have the freedom to follow their religions accordingly, but having a state recognize a re-defined variation of marriage is going too far.

I don't condone it, and I don't care if its acceptable in certain sects of LDS or other religions, or if its between consenting adults, it has no part in institution of marriage in the U.S.

I would also feel the same way, about a cults that legitimize marriage to 5 years olds (like Mohammadians).
 


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Re: What Can We Learn from Disgraced Warren Jeffs?
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2011, 04:28:54 AM »
What he did was sickening for sure.

But my position on polygamous marriage is that it is a re-defining of marriage, similar to Gay marriage. 

People have the freedom to follow their religions accordingly, but having a state recognize a re-defined variation of marriage is going too far.

I don't condone it, and I don't care if its acceptable in certain sects of LDS or other religions, or if its between consenting adults, it has no part in institution of marriage in the U.S.

I would also feel the same way, about a cults that legitimize marriage to 5 years olds (like Mohammadians).
 


Actually one wife could sometime be more problems then they are worth and yet some people are looking to have a few of them  :fright: ... Honestly the way society is today a good part of the population have multiple households where they father children and spend time... My problem is with the ones that do it but fail to support the situation... Most times support  of the offspring from situations like this lands on the taxpayers back...  The financial burden of 15 or 20 children is often more then even the best of intentioned  people can deal with... Even the Mormons have moved away from polygamous marriage for the most part... People have far to many worldly needs in todays times that make situations like that unworkable.
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