The Chordettes - Lollipop

[Confederate Kahanist]

Pretty cool song from the 50's I think:

[Aces High]

Good song!  They're all good looking, too.   But the one on the far right is the best looking of the bunch. 

[Utmager]

This site needs a "Favorite Shiktza" section for those who adulate lovely non-Jewesses.

But RMK would be scandalised to see a thread of this nature in the "General Discussion" section!

[Rubystars]

I think this is relevant to the forum because it shows how innocent and good America used to be. Now I just wish we could in some ways recapture that innocence, but it will be a long and difficult fight to undo all the harm that communists and socialists have done to the USA.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

This site needs a "Favorite Shiktza" section for those who adulate lovely non-Jewesses.

But RMK would be scandalised to see a thread of this nature in the "General Discussion" section!

I'm sorry that beautiful women make you want to puke, Nonny. How hard is it for you to wash your eyes out with a quick hit to the Chippendales'











I removed the photos.  Inappropriate for this forum

[muman613]

Is it required to constantly post images of immodest women? I don't know why some people seem to do this over and over... Some people, especially RELIGIOUS Jews, do not look at these kinds of images... Maybe find some good images of Tzniut women.

[Utmager]

If you absolutely insist on watching modern non-Jewesses singing "My Boy Lollipop", make them clean, slim, virginal Canuckettes!

[Sveta]

Yeah I hear about people reminiscing about how great and innocent the times were in the 40s and 50s etc... but quite honestly, if I lived in a time like that I would have jumped out the window. No offense, I'm certain many people love that era and would love to have the world like that but I'm more of a Boheminan Tim Burtonesque type of person. More like Addams. Hmmm then again if I lived back then I would be a beat. (Aka "beatnik"). Besides the Beats I do like Dean Martin though. I also love the Film Noir of the time. But I'm not partial to the poofy dresses, men are men, women cook, Mr. Sandman type thing. *shivers*

Here's to all those who like that era youtube.com/watch?v=Gj66KeIkOts

[Rubystars]

IsraeliHeart obviously if America was still good and innocent then culture still would have changed some to be more 'modern' but I think it would have been better if we could have avoided some of the more harmful changes that have occurred between then and now.

I think it's a good thing that women are allowed to get higher education and the career of their choice but I think that homemaking should be more valued than it is today. It's a perfectly wonderful and admirable profession that should hold a place of honor in society. Making a home feel like home makes family life better and raising moral, productive citizens helps all of society. There's another point that I should bring up too. A woman has choices, she can be a homemaker or she can have a career and bring home money, or she can try to do both, but a man has only this: He can work, he can work, or he can work (well if he's not on welfare). So I think for this reason it's important to allow him to have access to jobs and to get rid of the pro-female affirmative action that puts women into jobs they're not qualified for at the expense of men.

[Confederate Kahanist]

IsraeliHeart obviously if America was still good and innocent then culture still would have changed some to be more 'modern' but I think it would have been better if we could have avoided some of the more harmful changes that have occurred between then and now.

I think it's a good thing that women are allowed to get higher education and the career of their choice but I think that homemaking should be more valued than it is today. It's a perfectly wonderful and admirable profession that should hold a place of honor in society. Making a home feel like home makes family life better and raising moral, productive citizens helps all of society. There's another point that I should bring up too. A woman has choices, she can be a homemaker or she can have a career and bring home money, or she can try to do both, but a man has only this: He can work, he can work, or he can work (well if he's not on welfare). So I think for this reason it's important to allow him to have access to jobs and to get rid of the pro-female affirmative action that puts women into jobs they're not qualified for at the expense of men.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Sveta]

Heh, woman's rights I wasn't really even going that angle

I just don't like 50's innocent conformity is all, I don't think it was a very innocent society. I think it was a society that wanted to pretend they were innocent and peaceful while deep down you had Beat Generation writers expressing realism, Bettie Page, Tempest Storm and others were making snutt burlesque films for 50s men to ogle at with desire and lust (nothing against her, she was great but they did have bondage films), back alley abortions because back then it was frowned upon to have "bastards" out of wedlock, scientists had control over atomic bombs, Cold War, espionage, arms race,  people lynching (which I think fortunately stopped before the 50s) Japanese atrocious experiments of prisoners of wars in China in the 30s,40s, the Holocaust in the 30s and 40's. For me, the 50's as a period of innocence is overrated. I think fiends have always existed it's just that people didn't seem to talk about it much back then. Was it really an age of innocence, to me it wasn't. It was the age of conformity and all the bottled up emotions exploded in the decades to come. 50's Film Noir was an amazing representation of the era. Rather than showing birds chirping at women baking pies in windows they showed a society with every day problems and their struggle to over come them. One of the greatest things to come out of the 50s and before was the great cinema.

In short, I might be wrong and many may disagree with me and that's ok. It's just my perspective. Or I may be biased since I just don't like the 50s era that much myself but respect others that do.

[muman613]

Heh, woman's rights I wasn't really even going that angle

I just don't like 50's innocent conformity is all, I don't think it was a very innocent society. I think it was a society that wanted to pretend they were innocent and peaceful while deep down you had Beat Generation writers expressing realism, Bettie Page, Tempest Storm and others were making snutt burlesque films for 50s men to ogle at with desire and lust (nothing against her, she was great but they did have bondage films), back alley abortions because back then it was frowned upon to have "bastards" out of wedlock, scientists had control over atomic bombs, Cold War, espionage, arms race,  people lynching (which I think fortunately stopped before the 50s) Japanese atrocious experiments of prisoners of wars in China in the 30s,40s, the Holocaust in the 30s and 40's. For me, the 50's as a period of innocence is overrated. I think fiends have always existed it's just that people didn't seem to talk about it much back then. Was it really an age of innocence, to me it wasn't. It was the age of conformity and all the bottled up emotions exploded in the decades to come. 50's Film Noir was an amazing representation of the era. Rather than showing birds chirping at women baking pies in windows they showed a society with every day problems and their struggle to over come them. One of the greatest things to come out of the 50s and before was the great cinema.

In short, I might be wrong and many may disagree with me and that's ok. It's just my perspective. I just don't like the 50s era that much myself but respect others that do.

Compared to today the 50s & 60s were much more innocent. I was alive during that period and even the 80s were much more innocent than today...

[Sveta]

I think criminals have always done atrocious things and when I say fiends I refer to them but also regular society fiends etc...People have always been fiendish and there was plenty of freaks back them too. I just think when something that didn't quite fit with societal norms back then happened, people were more reluctant to talk about it. Like homosexuals. Back then Rock Hudson was a massive star in Hollywood and everyone thought he was straight, he even married a woman but when the passed away in the 80s it was revealed that he was gay and had passed away from aids. I saw a documentary about him and he had intimate relations with males. One of them started to blackmail him and in turn Hudson sent a private eye to take care of it. Which he did, he gave the male a beating and took away all his evidence. Consequently, this happened during the age of innocence. People just didn't talk about it back then. I love the late 60s though. My favorite time.

But yes people were a lot more innocent back then compared to us now. Back then if robbers wanted to mug you they would, now that's not enough now it's mug and kill. Criminals have wised up and have have become more fearless. More willing to attack, more willing to kill.  Also people talk about it more.

By the way, Muman,  I saw that you mentioned about posting about immodest women. Do you avoid Kol isha? I know some religious men who say it's ok to listen to it if it's recorded, others say there is no prohibition against it and others who will not listen to it at all.

[muman613]

I think criminals have always done atrocious things and when I say fiends I refer to them but also regular society fiends etc...People have always been fiendish and there was plenty of freaks back them too. I just think when something that didn't quite fit with societal norms back them happened, people were more reluctant to talk about it. Like homosexuasl. Back then Rock Hudson was a massive star in Hollywood but when the passed away in the 80s it was revealed that he was gay and had passed away from aids. I saw a documentary about him and he had intimate relations with male prostitutes. One of them started to blackmail him and in turn Hudson sent a private eye to take care of it. Which he did, he gave the male a beating and took away all his evidence. Consequently, this happened during the age of innocence. People just didn't talk about it back then.

But yes people were a lot more innocent back then compared to us now. Back then if robbers wanted to mug you they would, now that's not enough now it's mug and kill. Criminals have wised up and have have become more fearless. More willing to attack, more willing to kill.  Also people talk about it more

By the way, Muman,  I saw that you mentioned about posting about immodest women. Do you avoid Kol isha? I know some religious men who say it's ok to listen to it if it's recorded, others say there is no prohibition against it and others who will not listen to it at all.

Regarding your question about Kol Isha.... I am not very stringent in that area and will occasionally listen to a woman singing but most of the time I do not. I do believe that it is a good thing to avoid that because I know that a womans voice can be very attractive. I think that live singing by women is more of an issue because it is not realistic to think you would be tempted to do something illicit from just listening to  recording.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Umm... maybe a monastery is in order.

[muman613]

Umm... maybe a monastery is in order.

No... Jews don't have 'monasteries'... In a proper environment there is no problem with this. Separation of the sexes is still observed by the Orthodox. We do not have women Rabbis and a Jewish man does not shake hands with a Jewish woman. There are also laws concerning seclusion of a man and a woman and people to this day observe those laws. Just because some of us have been told that we don't have to observe commandments and we still can be 'saved' doesn't mean that the Jewish people are not obligated to keep the commandments..

Read about Yichud/Seclusion:

http://www.jewishwomenshealth.org/article.php?article=80

Abstract: Jewish Law prohibits men and women from being alone together in a secluded location unless they are married to each other or are close family members. This applies to a patient being alone in a closed room with a physician. Halacha provides provisions to allow for privacy for clinical examinations.

Discussion: Within Jewish Law there is a prohibition agains yichud (seclusion). The word encompasses a prohibition for a woman to be alone with a man who is not her husband or immediate family member. (It also prohibits a man from being alone with any number of women unless one is his wife or other adult immediate family member). This principle has repercussions in the context of medical care in that a male physician should not be alone with a female patient or a female physician with a male patient unless certain conditions are met. This is one of the reasons that halacha observing patients will, at times, prefer a physician of the same gender.

http://www.vbm-torah.org/talmud6/21.htm

http://www.aishdas.org/student/kolisha.html

There are two main talmudic passages that deal with kol isha.

1. Berachos 24a

Rav Yitzchak said: A tefach of a woman is nakedness ('ervah).

For what? If you say for looking at it, Rav Sheshes said: Why did the Torah count outer ornaments with inner ornaments? To tell you that anyone who looks at the small finger of a woman is as if he looked at the obscene place. Rather, [Rav Yitzchak is talking about] one's wife an kerias shema.

Rav Chisda said: The thigh of a woman is nakedness as it says (Isaiah 47:2) "expose a thigh to cross a river" and it says (ibid. 3) "your nakedness will be exposed and your embarrassment will be seen."

Shmuel said: The voice of a woman is nakedness as it says (Song of Songs 2:14) "for your voice is sweet and your countenance comely."

Rav Sheshes said: The hair of a woman is nakedness as it says (ibid. 4:1) "you hair is like a flock of goats."

2. Kiddushin 70a

[Rav Nachman said to Rav Yehudah]: Would you like to send regards to Yalta [Rav Nachman's wife]?

He [Rav Yehudah] said: Shmuel said: The voice of a woman is nakedness.

3. It is important to note that the Rif omits this halachah of Shmuel altogether.

Some rishonim understand the Gemara in Berachos as referring to kerias shema; one cannot recite kerias shema while hearing a woman sing. Presumably, this Gemara does not teach anything about whether a man is allowed to listen to a woman sing.

4. Rav Hai Gaon (Otzar HaGeonim, Berachos, Peirushim 102)

"One may also not recite [kerias shema] while a woman is singing because a woman's voice is nakedness... However, if one can focus on one's prayers while she is singing in a manner that one does not hear her and does not pay attention to her, it is permissible [to recite kerias shema]."