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Dear Christianity,
Lisa:
Jbeige, I just saw your dig at Muman, which was totally uncalled for.
Yes he had his problems in the past, but he worked them out and made something good of his life. What's your point? I have a hard time believing you have been the model of virtue your entire life. So I think you owe Muman an apology.
muman613:
--- Quote from: Lisa on August 29, 2011, 01:11:31 PM ---Muman, I read the original post.
Of course I'm against misisionizing, and I'm well aware of the anti-semitism against Jews committed in the name of Christianity. We don't allow missionizing here. Anyone who tries it is banned immediately, as are anti-Semite trolls.
Now from my experience as an administrator on this forum, I've seen how these types of threads morph into a Judaism vs. Christianity thing, and they always end up getting locked because of people bickering. I don't want to see that again here.
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Certainly... I am sorry if what I wrote causes any bickering. I explained why I offered my opinion on the topic and otherwise I don't want to keep this going.
But how about Lashon Hara? jbeige has obviously attacked my character. I know that many here at JTF are supportive of me and I don't need to be validated by jbeige.
What I did almost 10 years ago was bad but it was something I needed to go through in order to end up where I am today. The Sages wrote that 'A Baal Teshuva stands where no person born Righteous can stand'. The Torah is full of the concept of repentance. Look at the story of Adam & Eve, the episode of the sin of the golden calf, and even King David... The prototype of repentance is the sin of the golden calf for which Hashem spared the entire Jewish people despite them having committed the gravest offense of idolatry. This is the major theme of Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur...
Lisa:
Jbeige, we've all done things in the past we haven't been proud of. But you chose to throw that in Muman's face. You owe him an apology.
muman613:
--- Quote ---http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/137090/jewish/Tzaddik-The-Baal-Teshuvah.htm
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G-d puts tzaddikim in this world to testify to the fact that He exists.13 By virtue of our connection to these righteous people and our belief in them, we are provided with a channel to connect with G-d.
The letter tzaddik has two forms. There is the bent tzaddik which occurs at the beginning or middle of a word. Then there is the straight tzaddik which occurs at the end of a word. What is the significance of each? The straight tzaddik represents the baal teshuvah, one who has worked to improve his connection to G-d and returned to his essential holy nature. The bent tzaddik is born righteous, but has not yet reached the level of a baal teshuvah. As we are told, even a complete tzaddik cannot stand in the place of a baal teshuvah.14 A baal teshuvah stands higher.
What does this mean? How is it possible that a baal teshuvah—one who has sinned all his life and then decides to change—stands higher than a tzaddik? There are two reasons. The first is that the one who has transgressed has already tasted cheeseburgers and lobster, and relished them. Now he must wrest himself from their grip. It is similar to the difficulty experienced by a long-time smoker who now wants to quit. There might be a certain temptation on the part of one who has never smoked to try a cigarette. But having never smoked, it is much easier for him to control the temptation. One who has already experienced its physical pleasure, however, might be hooked. It is very difficult to extirpate that aspect from his life, and it requires tremendous strength and commitment. Thus a baal teshuvah who was born to a non-religious home, who never learned anything about Judaism, and lives according to the secular ways of the world creates an elevated connection to G-d when he decides to change. G-d says, “You, My dear child, stand higher than the tzaddik.”
The second reason the baal teshuvah stands higher than the tzaddik is that the wrongdoings of the baal teshuvah are converted into mitzvos. Once his past sins have been renounced, they are actually credited as positive commandments.15
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13. See Sefer HaIkarim, book 3, chs. 8, 12.
14. Rambam’s Code of Jewish Law: Laws of Teshuvah 7:4.
15. There are three basic ways to acquire merit through the commandments: The first comprises the 248 positive, or active, commandments (i.e., doing something that has been commanded). The second includes the 365 negative, or passive, commandments (i.e., refraining from doing something prohibited). The third is the transformation of a negative commandment into a positive one (through the process of teshuvah or repentance).
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nessuno:
Dear Christiandom
--- Quote from: muman613 on August 29, 2011, 12:52:08 PM ---Lisa,
Did you read the original post. It did not say that Christians are enemies. I do not see that... It asks for Christian missionaries to leave us alone. It says that we are just fine worshiping G-d. I don't understand why anyone would be opposed to that? The fact that we have been on the sharp end of the sword so many times in history is very sad. But the original post did not even exhibit any anger.
Honestly I think some people are just too sensitive. It is essential for Jews to be proud to be Jews and not be ashamed of it. Rabbi Kahane was intimately aware of this and he was 100% against intermarriage. Do our non-Jewish members consider that too to be anti-Christian? It is not anti-Christian, it is 100% pro-Jewish. In order to remain Jewish we need strong Jewish youth...I believe Rabbi Kahane was right.
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What does this have to do with anything or that original post?
Why would I want a Jewish person not to be proud of being Jewish?
Ashamed? Why would they be ashamed?
On that note...Why should I be ashamed to be Catholic?
You Muman are a foolish man. I agree with JBeige. You want respect. Yet, you never stop being derogatory to the Christian members of this forum. Who do not missioninze or do anything but support the Jewish people. So you lead a good and decent life now. Great for you. Some of us have tried to do that our whole lives. Do we ask to be patted on the back for it. You are driving good and decent people from wishing to work with JTF. Especially touting posts like the original in this thread.
I'm sorry Lisa. I agree with JBeige.
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