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Dear Christianity,
muman613:
--- Quote from: bullcat3 on August 30, 2011, 01:37:44 PM ---Dear ChristiandomWhat does this have to do with anything or that original post?
Why would I want a Jewish person not to be proud of being Jewish?
Ashamed? Why would they be ashamed?
On that note...Why should I be ashamed to be Catholic?
You Muman are a foolish man. I agree with JBeige. You want respect. Yet, you never stop being derogatory to the Christian members of this forum. Who do not missioninze or do anything but support the Jewish people. So you lead a good and decent life now. Great for you. Some of us have tried to do that our whole lives. Do we ask to be patted on the back for it. You are driving good and decent people from wishing to work with JTF. Especially touting posts like the original in this thread.
I'm sorry Lisa. I agree with JBeige.
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Bullcat, what BS...
I was not derogatory to anyone... If anything you are constantly speaking of me in a derogatory manner. In this thread, or in any other thread, I have never called a Christian a bad name, have I said they are going to hell, or otherwise disparaged them. You on the other hand take every opportunity you can to attack me. I don't know what the heck your problem is... But look at the history of the messages and figure out what your problem is.
What have I said which 'drives people away from JTF'? Are you offended when a Jew says 'Its OK to be Jewish?'. It seems that you do. Every time I have expressed the idea that Jews have suffered at the hands of the Christian you, instead of feeling compassion you seek to justify or minimize it.
You really seem to want to have an issue with me.. That is really not my problem. My opinion of the original post stands.
Here is a reproduction of the post which Bullcat has issue with:
--- Quote ---I dont see anything which is offensive in this post. It is 100% true... It is not a secret that Jews do not believe in the Christian 'messiah'... And maybe a gentile reader can understand that Jews are G-ds chosen people and do not deserve the disrespect we have been shown.
For those who find it offensive I am sorry... But the Jewish people found it offensive for 1000s of years to be subjected to the forced conversions, pogroms, crusades, and inquisitions. Rabbi Kahane was not shy to talk about these events nor should any Jew worth his world to come..
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cjd:
--- Quote from: jbeige on August 29, 2011, 10:36:47 AM ---Maybe I didn't use the right word, So I will say what I meant by that and you can label it.
I'm talking about some people on here who went to town drinking and smoking everything under the sun and taking drugs and never following the Torah and suddenly they follow it for a few years and suddenly they become these holy rollers that can preach about religion and the Big Bad Christians.
This goes for any religion, I don't believe in this born again and becoming a preacher stuff.
Sorry but anyone like that from any religion I can not take serious and their word and preaching should just be ignored.
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I have to agree here... There is nothing worse than listening to stuff like this from a person who by their own word tell of how they spent a good part of their life doing things people just shouldn't do... It's all well and fine to warn people of living that sort of life style but to stand on a pedestal like some sort of rabbinic sage or clergy just rubs me wrong... muman you really need to stop your nonsense.... You have cause untold division here on this forum with your piling on to threads like this... If you wanted to preach you should have kept your past dealings a secret... The storm had me off the forum for a few days however I saw this thread tonight and it's just more of the same... Sorry if my post offends but this sort of nonsense causes our movement to loose ground.
cjd:
--- Quote from: Lisa on August 29, 2011, 02:24:16 PM ---Jbeige, we've all done things in the past we haven't been proud of. But you chose to throw that in Muman's face. You owe him an apology.
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No... I respectfully have to disagree here... Yes we have all done things we might not be proud of but that person should try to lead by example not preach from the pulpit like a TV missionary.... If we can't call a spade a spade here we may have drifted away from one of the policies that made JTF unique... Our forum use to attract a wide target of different people... It's threads like this that have caused many non Jewish people to loose interest in our movement.
muman613:
--- Quote from: cjd on August 30, 2011, 09:06:33 PM ---No... I respectfully have to disagree here... Yes we have all done things we might not be proud of but that person should try to lead by example not preach from the pulpit like a TV missionary.... If we can't call a spade a spade here we may have drifted away from one of the policies that made JTF unique... Our forum use to attract a wide target of different people... It's threads like this that have caused many non Jewish people to loose interest in our movement.
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What have you been smoking mr cjd? I do not preach... Please show me where I have preached anything. I bring to the table what I have learned. What I have learned is Orthodox Judaism straight from the Torah, Tanakh, and Talmud. I study the scriptures at least 2 hours a day, and if you have any questions about what I am talking about concerning Judaism you have had every opportunity to chime in, but you have not.
Please show me what it is you think I am 'preaching'? As I said before we have no such concept in Judaism. You learn from the sources, what Rabbi A said concerning Halacha, what argument Rabbi B had with Rabbi A, etc. I have brought abundant sources concerning my posts regarding Jewish law and faith. What exactly is it you have a problem with? I have never suggested I am a rabbi, and I learn from other Jews who are Torah scholars.
And my past was only revealed in order to show others that a person CAN change if he wishes himself to. I never was completely fallen, and I always was employed in my profession {over 26 years in my software engineering profession}. I have no regrets about what happened in my life because everything happened for a reason and I am currently living a good life and support my family and my community. I try to set an example to everyone around me, and I have succeeded in affecting people and I see the results.
You also did not say what exactly it is about this thread which is offensive. Would you mind exposing what the problem is instead of just attacking me?
I am very disappointed in you cjd... Why you find a need to denigrate me. I sure hope you are not Jewish.
cjd:
Sad to say for me I do smoke a few hand made cigars and a pipe now and then... I don't see them as causing what I wrote here to be any different then what it would normally be unless the pro pot people are sneaking something into my tobacco supply :::D muman it seems we have grown up in places that were quite different... Here in New York, the New York I grew up in anyway we never had this so called proselytizing situation that you folks outside of New York seem to deal with... Arguments, disagreements, seeing things from different angles yes, but for the most part Jew's and Gentiles here in New York got along quite well... It was sort of a Macy's, Gimbels thing of who had the better religion however nobody was trying to convert anybody... It's all well and fine that you were able to pull yourself back from the path your were on however it was not Gentiles that put you on that path and if there was temptation out there it was the same temptation that everyone else in the world has to deal with... The temptation was not designed to lure only Jews away from their religion... Look, The brass tacks of the issue is that you never fail to hop on the band wagon when it comes to this sort of thread... The original poster made a point and you true to form had to bring it to the next level... All I am going to say is the old Kahane Forum was a very boring place to spend time at... I only hope that is not the business model you have in mind for our forum... It's not enough to only shield our good members from being called proselytizers you need to name the names of the groups doing the proselytizing so we can all see them in action... Gentiles coming to our forum for the first time will be put off by all this blanket talk of proselytizing... It seems at times your even to much for the Jewish membership to deal with with some of the positions you take on things and yes you do alway back yourself up with Rabbinic opinions but there is a limit of how much of the so called "clip and post" people are willing to read... The political season for the presidential campaigns here in America are starting and I was wishing that JTF could play a big part in that online... That can never happen if we are going to run threads that drive people away with their fist visit to our forum.
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