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613+7=620 : What is the meaning of this?
muman613:
--- Quote from: Zelhar on November 16, 2011, 04:35:23 AM ---I say it's not very sensible. You see 7 and 613 are relatively prime (in fact both are prime numbers), so you can create any integer from them by addition and subtraction.
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So what if they are prime. There are 620 letters in the 10 commandments, there are 613 mitzvot and 7 rabbinic laws, add them together and you get 620... The number which is equal to keter... what is the difference if they are prime..
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: muman613 on November 16, 2011, 12:16:26 PM ---If you read it you would learn that the 7 rabbinic laws are the noachide laws. and 620 is the # of letters in the 10 commandments and also the gematria of the word keter... The point of posting is to teach and to learn...
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7 Rabbinic laws are different then the 7 Noahide laws. I dont know of any Noahide obligated in celebrating Hannukah or Purim, or lighting candles for shabbouss.
"1. Washing the hands for bread.
2. Laws of Eruv.
3. Reciting a blesing before partaking of food or any other pleasure.
4. Lighting Shabbat Candles.
5. Celebration of Purim.
6. Celebration of Chanukah.
7. Recitation of the prayer of praise called Hallel on certain occasions.
http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/411,429/What-are-the-seven-rabbinic-mitzvahs.html
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7 Noaide laws are
Prohibition of Idolatry
Prohibition of Murder
Prohibition of Theft
Prohibition of Sexual immorality
Prohibition of Blasphemy
Prohibition of eating flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive
Establishment of courts of law
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Noah
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Clearly different?
Zelhar:
--- Quote from: muman613 on November 16, 2011, 12:18:50 PM ---So what if they are prime. There are 620 letters in the 10 commandments, there are 613 mitzvot and 7 rabbinic laws, add them together and you get 620... The number which is equal to keter... what is the difference if they are prime..
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You can get any number from 7,613 using addition and substraction.
muman613:
--- Quote from: Tag-MahirTzedek on November 16, 2011, 12:47:27 PM --- 7 Rabbinic laws are different then the 7 Noahide laws. I dont know of any Noahide obligated in celebrating Hannukah or Purim, or lighting candles for shabbouss.
"1. Washing the hands for bread.
2. Laws of Eruv.
3. Reciting a blesing before partaking of food or any other pleasure.
4. Lighting Shabbat Candles.
5. Celebration of Purim.
6. Celebration of Chanukah.
7. Recitation of the prayer of praise called Hallel on certain occasions.
http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/411,429/What-are-the-seven-rabbinic-mitzvahs.html
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7 Noaide laws are
Prohibition of Idolatry
Prohibition of Murder
Prohibition of Theft
Prohibition of Sexual immorality
Prohibition of Blasphemy
Prohibition of eating flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive
Establishment of courts of law
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Noah
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Clearly different?
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yes they are different... Nobody claimed otherwise...
But the 7 in the 613+7 are the Noachide laws... As several sources I brought also support...
The 'big idea' of this is that Hashems will encompasses both the Jewish 613 commandments and the 7 Noachide laws...
You are the one who suggested that it is the 7 Rabbinic mitzvahs.... That is your interpretation, but it is not the interpretation of the sages...
muman613:
--- Quote from: Zelhar on November 16, 2011, 01:26:52 PM ---You can get any number from 7,613 using addition and substraction.
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Yes 620 is EQUAL TO 613 PLUS 7.... There is no other answer to 613+7, is there?
620 is EQUAL to the NUMBER OF LETTERS in the 10 Commandments... This is not debatable...
620 is EQUAL to the Gematria of Keter/Crown.... That is not debatable...
Your trying to inject 'prime numbers' into this has no use in trying to understand the concept...
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