European Roma - Indian Gypsies in Europe

[JustaGypsy]

Proto-Type Gypsies. Barefoot, Nomadic Aryan Tribe, Riding the Horse and Playing the Balalaika.

Eugene Pittard did the biggest anthropometric survey on balkan gypsies ever done....He was fascinated by them and placed them high in human aesthetics

"The typical Gypsy Population was slightly taller than the European Average with legs comparatively long in relation to the torso; their heads tended strongly towards dolicephalic (i.e long headed, relatively long and narrow) skulls, with black hair smallish ears, wide eyes with heavily pigmented irises and long, narrow, straight noses. Pittard awarded them a highly honourable place in human aesthetics. Very fine men and very beautiful women are often found among them. Their swarthy complexion, jet black hair, straight well-formed nose, white teeth, dark brown wide open eyes, the general suppleness of their deportment and the harmony of their movements place them high above many European people as regards physical beauty."

A good description of the Gypsies of Bosnia is given by Tissot who says: Their complexion is as brown as old leather. They have keen black eyes and oval faces and their long curly hair falls in masses of their long shoulders, their figures are athletic and muscular. They lead an vagabond and wandering life, braving carelessly the inclenerncy of the seasons under their tents of ragged cloth and too often excersising the calling of brigands and thieves. I must tell you that Bosnian Gypsy Woman are of a rare beauty and know how to make the most of their charms. As dancing woman and ballet-girls they enter the harems distracting the hearts of the beys and pashas and they are often met in public places dancing in picturescque costums on a piece of carpet. The Tziganes were for long the only people who worked the rich mines of Bosnia but they contended themselfes with dragging a fleece of wool in the bed of the torrents and picking out the spangles of gold which in some streams are found in abundance.

http ://www.youtube. com/watch?v=U-WxkwmlIUQ&feature=player_embedded

http: //www.youtube. com/watch?v=gkdkyHOWehA&feature=player_embedded[/url]


Seven Yellow Gypsies
2011
04.16

Jon admits that this is “Another of the big ballads that I’ve only just got around to learning. I’m not sure about the verse where she sounds like she’s regretting it – sort of takes some of the power away. On the other hand it maybe makes her a more rounded character?”

Another in the Child collection, this one is #200. I do find it interesting that the various recorded versions transcribed at Mainly Norfolk of this all seem to have notes alluding to this being based in fact, before dismissing that as entirely unlikely. As far as I can see this may stem from a myth propagated by Child himself that names a Lady Cassilis as having been abducted in the early C17th, but this is almost certainly dubious to say the least. The song has many alternative titles and variants, including The Gypsy Laddie, The Raggle Taggle Gypsies and Black Jack Davy amongst them. Have a look at Wiki here for the wealth of title variants and recordings. The song is also very common and widespread, which probably says more about its popularity as a fantasy amongst the travelling and Gypsy communities than anything else. I can’t help but feel that the rejection of wealthy trappings for the basic life will have sat well with the alternative lifestyle ethos of the 60s, which may explain its popularity today. While we’re at it, I was also curious as to why the Gypsies are yellow. Any thoughts?

Response: The English term ‘gypsy’ originates from the Greek word for Egyptian, so the term’ yellow gypsies’ most likely refers to skin-tone being golden, light-brown or sun-tanned, either through nature &/or living and working outdoors.

It would also be in contrast to the fairness of the lady’s white skin. Fair skin was an indicator of higher birth/wealth, as in not having to do any manual, dirty or outdoor work, which would lead to more common tanning!

One of the curiosities in this song is why a lady fair should want to go off with the raggle-taggle gypsies-o! The fantasy ROMAnce of the travelling life… or in 60’s speak – turn on, tune in and drop out…

http://http ://www.afolksongaday. co...ellow-gypsies/

Gypsies are Indo-Aryan people closely related with the northindian warrior castes (rajputs, jats). they are of medittaranean stock according to coon. The europid indian races are of medittaranean stock.


Dr. A.E. Mourant,'The ABO Blood Groups',Blackwell Scientific Publications,Oxford,1954.

"
Roma(of Europe) : O – 31.0, A –26.2 , B –33.9, AB-8.9

Indian warrior castes

Sikh soldiers: O-32.36,A-22.28,B-34.63,AB-10.73

Hindus(soldiers) in Rajasthan: O-33.33,A-21.26,B-35.14,Ab-9.91

Rajputs(near Quetta): O-28.81,A-27.97,B-33.05,AB-10.71
(Malone 1928-29)

Jats(Punjab): O -33.21,A-25.25,B-33.30,AB-11.11 "

A.E. Mourant,”Warrior castes of Rajasthan,Delhi and the Punjab as also the Roma are good representatives of the Indian Mediterranean race and are macroskels.It means that they have legs,a bit longer than the trunk.All of them have straight and thin noses,oval,well-bred faces.The Rajputs are dolycephals as are the majority of the European Roma.Rajput average stature is about 1 inch. higher than the Roma.This difference is almost certainly explained by the fact that Rajputs have better life than the persecuted gypsies of Europe.”

The ABO blood groups (Open Library)

An international collaboration led by Dr Manir Ali of the Leeds Institute of Molecular Medicine, first identified the 'Jatt' mutation in one of four Pakistani families. Further study amongst Roma populations in Europe showed that the same mutation accounted for nearly half of all cases of PCG in that community.

Dr Ali's research also confirms the widely accepted view that the Roma originated from the Jatt clan of Northern India and Pakistan and not from Eastern Europe as previously believed.
New Glaucoma Research Solves Anthropological And Medical Puzzle

Gypsy Homeland found to be Northwestern India


Gypsies kept their blood relatively pure, closer to Indians than to Europeans

[cjd]

Proto-Type Gypsies. Barefoot, Nomadic Aryan Tribe, Riding the Horse and Playing the Balalaika.

Eugene Pittard did the biggest anthropometric survey on balkan gypsies ever done....He was fascinated by them and placed them high in human aesthetics

"The typical Gypsy Population was slightly taller than the European Average with legs comparatively long in relation to the torso; their heads tended strongly towards dolicephalic (i.e long headed, relatively long and narrow) skulls, with black hair smallish ears, wide eyes with heavily pigmented irises and long, narrow, straight noses. Pittard awarded them a highly honourable place in human aesthetics. Very fine men and very beautiful women are often found among them. Their swarthy complexion, jet black hair, straight well-formed nose, white teeth, dark brown wide open eyes, the general suppleness of their deportment and the harmony of their movements place them high above many European people as regards physical beauty."

A good description of the Gypsies of Bosnia is given by Tissot who says: Their complexion is as brown as old leather. They have keen black eyes and oval faces and their long curly hair falls in masses of their long shoulders, their figures are athletic and muscular. They lead an vagabond and wandering life, braving carelessly the inclenerncy of the seasons under their tents of ragged cloth and too often excersising the calling of brigands and thieves. I must tell you that Bosnian Gypsy Woman are of a rare beauty and know how to make the most of their charms. As dancing woman and ballet-girls they enter the harems distracting the hearts of the beys and pashas and they are often met in public places dancing in picturescque costums on a piece of carpet. The Tziganes were for long the only people who worked the rich mines of Bosnia but they contended themselfes with dragging a fleece of wool in the bed of the torrents and picking out the spangles of gold which in some streams are found in abundance.

http ://www.youtube. com/watch?v=U-WxkwmlIUQ&feature=player_embedded

http: //www.youtube. com/watch?v=gkdkyHOWehA&feature=player_embedded[/url]


Seven Yellow Gypsies
2011
04.16

Jon admits that this is “Another of the big ballads that I’ve only just got around to learning. I’m not sure about the verse where she sounds like she’s regretting it – sort of takes some of the power away. On the other hand it maybe makes her a more rounded character?”

Another in the Child collection, this one is #200. I do find it interesting that the various recorded versions transcribed at Mainly Norfolk of this all seem to have notes alluding to this being based in fact, before dismissing that as entirely unlikely. As far as I can see this may stem from a myth propagated by Child himself that names a Lady Cassilis as having been abducted in the early C17th, but this is almost certainly dubious to say the least. The song has many alternative titles and variants, including The Gypsy Laddie, The Raggle Taggle Gypsies and Black Jack Davy amongst them. Have a look at Wiki here for the wealth of title variants and recordings. The song is also very common and widespread, which probably says more about its popularity as a fantasy amongst the travelling and Gypsy communities than anything else. I can’t help but feel that the rejection of wealthy trappings for the basic life will have sat well with the alternative lifestyle ethos of the 60s, which may explain its popularity today. While we’re at it, I was also curious as to why the Gypsies are yellow. Any thoughts?

Response: The English term ‘gypsy’ originates from the Greek word for Egyptian, so the term’ yellow gypsies’ most likely refers to skin-tone being golden, light-brown or sun-tanned, either through nature &/or living and working outdoors.

It would also be in contrast to the fairness of the lady’s white skin. Fair skin was an indicator of higher birth/wealth, as in not having to do any manual, dirty or outdoor work, which would lead to more common tanning!

One of the curiosities in this song is why a lady fair should want to go off with the raggle-taggle gypsies-o! The fantasy ROMAnce of the travelling life… or in 60’s speak – turn on, tune in and drop out…

http://http ://www.afolksongaday. co...ellow-gypsies/

Gypsies are Indo-Aryan people closely related with the northindian warrior castes (rajputs, jats). they are of medittaranean stock according to coon. The europid indian races are of medittaranean stock.


Dr. A.E. Mourant,'The ABO Blood Groups',Blackwell Scientific Publications,Oxford,1954.

"
Roma(of Europe) : O – 31.0, A –26.2 , B –33.9, AB-8.9

Indian warrior castes

Sikh soldiers: O-32.36,A-22.28,B-34.63,AB-10.73

Hindus(soldiers) in Rajasthan: O-33.33,A-21.26,B-35.14,Ab-9.91

Rajputs(near Quetta): O-28.81,A-27.97,B-33.05,AB-10.71
(Malone 1928-29)

Jats(Punjab): O -33.21,A-25.25,B-33.30,AB-11.11 "

A.E. Mourant,”Warrior castes of Rajasthan,Delhi and the Punjab as also the Roma are good representatives of the Indian Mediterranean race and are macroskels.It means that they have legs,a bit longer than the trunk.All of them have straight and thin noses,oval,well-bred faces.The Rajputs are dolycephals as are the majority of the European Roma.Rajput average stature is about 1 inch. higher than the Roma.This difference is almost certainly explained by the fact that Rajputs have better life than the persecuted gypsies of Europe.”

The ABO blood groups (Open Library)

An international collaboration led by Dr Manir Ali of the Leeds Institute of Molecular Medicine, first identified the 'Jatt' mutation in one of four Pakistani families. Further study amongst Roma populations in Europe showed that the same mutation accounted for nearly half of all cases of PCG in that community.

Dr Ali's research also confirms the widely accepted view that the Roma originated from the Jatt clan of Northern India and Pakistan and not from Eastern Europe as previously believed.
New Glaucoma Research Solves Anthropological And Medical Puzzle

Gypsy Homeland found to be Northwestern India


Gypsies kept their blood relatively pure, closer to Indians than to Europeans

The people in most countries of Europe dislike having Gypsies around... The are associated with petty crime such as purse snatching and the like... My many years ago  grandparents always associated them with kidnapping.... To this day it seems that even under the new so called banner of "Roma" their reputation has not improved... I was surprised when a cousin of mine returned from a trip to Europe and complained about the marauding groups of Gypsies wandering around in the various tourist cities.

[JustaGypsy]

The people in most countries of Europe dislike having Gypsies around... The are associated with petty crime such as purse snatching and the like... My many years ago  grandparents always associated them with kidnapping.... To this day it seems that even under the new so called banner of "Roma" their reputation has not improved... I was surprised when a cousin of mine returned from a trip to Europe and complained about the marauding groups of Gypsies wandering around in the various tourist cities.

Gypsies are hated.... They are persecuted by the Mob, but often they are innocent.

Gypsies burnd down over FALSE rape claim
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/8949325/Italian-gipsy-camp-burned-down-by-vigilantes-after-false-rape-claim.html

Gypsies in the UK: the new blacks

[Zelhar]

Gypsies do allot of inbreeding don't they ?

[JustaGypsy]

Gypsies do allot of inbreeding don't they ?

The Gypsies i know and who are in my family look down upon cousin marriage

[Zelhar]

The Gypsies i know and who are in my family look down upon cousin marriage

Have you heard of muslim Gypsies ?

[JustaGypsy]

Of course! They are called also turkish gypsies or xorohane!

-Muslim Gypsies were never equall to other muslims
-Muslim Gypsies were beheaded while other muslims hanged and burried with head
-Muslim Gypsies were higher taxed than other muslims
-Muslim Gypsies were counted according to their ethnicity not to their religion like other Muslims
-Gypsy Women were made street dancers/belly dancers
-They say Gypsy and mean a thieve or bandit

[Zelhar]

Of course! They are called also turkish gypsies or xorohane!

-Muslim Gypsies were never equall to other muslims
-Muslim Gypsies were beheaded while other muslims hanged and burried with head
-Muslim Gypsies were higher taxed than other muslims
-Muslim Gypsies were counted according to their ethnicity not to their religion like other Muslims
-Gypsy Women were made street dancers/belly dancers
-They say Gypsy and mean a thieve or bandit

But why do they profess Islam then ?! They have a small community in Jerusalem and they identify as "Palestinians" even though the Arabs despise them.

[JustaGypsy]

I dont talk about middle eastern gypsies, im not even sure if they are the same as european roma or romani [adjective] because gypsy tribes are often from local low class people or outcasts. Example: Irish Travellers, Ethnically Irish but named Gypsies/Pikeys. The local Israeli Gypsies could as well be arab outcasts

[JustaGypsy]

Ok they are indians but they left india earlier than romani people

Initially it was considered that they are a branch of the Romani people, but recent studies of the Domari language suggest that they departed earlier from the Indian subcontinent,[1] probably around the 6th century.

Wikipedia