Gender separation is sexist? The news media and the Erev Rav are the sexists!

[Chaim Ben Pesach]

בס''ד

In some Orthodox Jewish sections of Israel, men and women were travelling separately on buses in order to avoid the temptation to think about or commit sinful acts. This has led to a campaign of anti-Torah hysteria and persecution by the self-hating Israeli Bolshevik news media. Now Bibi Netanyahu and the government are joining the anti-religious feminist lynch mob. This video explains that the real sexists are the media and the Erev Rav establishment who promote pornography, prostitution and immorality, and who exploit Jewish women who are treated like cheap pieces of flesh. The ultimate hypocrite Netanyahu speaks about defending women's rights when he cheated on his first wife and abandoned her for another woman. Torah Judaism honors, respects, loves and reveres Jewish women whose bodies and souls are sacred. It is Torah Judaism that truly treats women with the respect that they deserve.

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[Dr. Dan]

I hope that the dotee Jews join our ranks.  They will eventuality outnumber the secular self hating left.

Even as we speak those left wing kapos are attempting to change the ultra orthodox Jews and even tempt them away from their ways.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

  Actually some of the "modesty police" are actually making things against Judaism and are trying to make extreme things. I don't agree with the secular on this, but more "religious" does not mean more correct as well.
   Some of these extremists are actually fighting what they call "immodesty" and target Religious girls schools! http://www.rationalistjudaism.com/2011/09/terrorism-in-bet-shemesh.html
 Soo definitly their is a war on extremism of both sides (Hilonim and some Haredim)

[The proud Jew]

i disagree, the ultra religious are making women feel uncomfortable by a man she doesn't know telling her what to do. These modesty police in my opinion should mind there own business and stop their religious coercion.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Mingling of Men and Women: an Issue of Social Norms
Does the Torah mandate separate seating on buses or at weddings?  Separate hours at supermarkets?  Clearly not.  Men and women sat mixed at the wedding of Rav Moshe Feinstein's daughter.  A mehissa is, however, required during prayer.

http://machonshilo.org/en/eng/list-audio-shiurim/41-audiohalakha/322-mingling-of-men-and-women-an-issue-of-social-norms

[The proud Jew]

Mingling of Men and Women: an Issue of Social Norms
Does the Torah mandate separate seating on buses or at weddings?  Separate hours at supermarkets?  Clearly not.  Men and women sat mixed at the wedding of Rav Moshe Feinstein's daughter.  A mehissa is, however, required during prayer.

http://machonshilo.org/en/eng/list-audio-shiurim/41-audiohalakha/322-mingling-of-men-and-women-an-issue-of-social-norms

absolutely correct, the only time we need a mechiza is during prayers.hashem is giving these jews a challenge to concur their own impure thoughts and desires. We cant run away from tests that hashem brings to us. We must confront it.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

absolutely correct, the only time we need a mechiza is during prayers.hashem is giving these jews a challenge to concur their own impure thoughts and desires. We cant run away from tests that hashem brings to us. We must confront it.

 Not exactly. The point is that people just socializing is normal and legit by Halacha (or according to Rav Bar-Hayim in this case, as well as Rav Moshe Feinstein and others) in places like weddings when people are sitting having a meal. Or just shopping in stores, this is NOT a green card for sins or anything like that (or tests). Everything has to be normal and not extreme (not to the left nor the right as the Torah says) that is what is taught.
 Also this is talking about things like sitting and eating together, or just traveling in a bus together, obviously not going to clubs, or dancing together, or having women dress completely open with tank tops or things like that.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

These are the jackbooted stormtroopers that rape dissident Jewish girls when they are arresting them.

[Meerkat]

im in the "mind your own business" crowd

[The proud Jew]

im in the "mind your own business" crowd

I agree. How i view modesty, is that their is a place for everything at the appropriate places and times. Tag mechir, who are we as jews to tell jewish women how to dress? Isnt that their own decission?

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

These communists aren't bothered by women in Sh*tlamic nations being forced to wear burqas.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

I agree. How i view modesty, is that their is a place for everything at the appropriate places and times. Tag mechir, who are we as jews to tell jewish women how to dress? Isnt that their own decission?

 Like I said and posted, the middle ground is the correct path. Their are extremists on one side and the other as well. I didnt suggest this with my post, but since you bring this up, yes their is always a standard in society. For example the same can be asked- who are the police to arrest people walking nude on the streets? This is just a lower standard. I'm not saying nor advocating the extreme or strictest enforced standard in society, but never the less Jewish women should know that wearing things like tight jeans and tank-tops is inappropriate. If they feel a little uncomfortable, then soo be it, they are supposed to.
 And about telling- the main job should be left to the educators (Rabbis, teachers, parents etc.) but they should be telling them these things and not shy away.

[Dr. Dan]

Not exactly. The point is that people just socializing is normal and legit by Halacha (or according to Rav Bar-Hayim in this case, as well as Rav Moshe Feinstein and others) in places like weddings when people are sitting having a meal. Or just shopping in stores, this is NOT a green card for sins or anything like that (or tests). Everything has to be normal and not extreme (not to the left nor the right as the Torah says) that is what is taught.
 Also this is talking about things like sitting and eating together, or just traveling in a bus together, obviously not going to clubs, or dancing together, or having women dress completely open with tank tops or things like that.

Great points, tag.  You are 100% right.

Somebody told me this was initiated because a young religious Jew spit at a woman sitting in the front if the public bus when the religious required that she sit in the back with the other women.

If this were true, I don't think the spitting was out of sexism.  It would wrong and a type of assault. This being labeled as a sexist issue is inaccurate.

[The proud Jew]

Like I said and posted, the middle ground is the correct path. Their are extremists on one side and the other as well. I didnt suggest this with my post, but since you bring this up, yes their is always a standard in society. For example the same can be asked- who are the police to arrest people walking nude on the streets? This is just a lower standard. I'm not saying nor advocating the extreme or strictest enforced standard in society, but never the less Jewish women should know that wearing things like tight jeans and tank-tops is inappropriate. If they feel a little uncomfortable, then soo be it, they are supposed to.
 And about telling- the main job should be left to the educators (Rabbis, teachers, parents etc.) but they should be telling them these things and not shy away.

You are correct in your theisis that telling is the job up for the parents rabbi's etc, end of the day she still has free will to do whatever she wants, thats how hashem created us to be. There is a definite need to maintain a sense of society standard, but thats up to society and majority rule in general. Personally I have no problem with women wearing not modest clothing{thats if hashem gave her beauty} lol.

[Meerkat]

Like I said and posted, the middle ground is the correct path. Their are extremists on one side and the other as well. I didnt suggest this with my post, but since you bring this up, yes their is always a standard in society. For example the same can be asked- who are the police to arrest people walking nude on the streets? This is just a lower standard. I'm not saying nor advocating the extreme or strictest enforced standard in society, but never the less Jewish women should know that wearing things like tight jeans and tank-tops is inappropriate. If they feel a little uncomfortable, then soo be it, they are supposed to.
 And about telling- the main job should be left to the educators (Rabbis, teachers, parents etc.) but they should be telling them these things and not shy away.

you are spot on correct, im probably gonna quote this on the hebrew forum.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Great points, tag.  You are 100% right.

Somebody told me this was initiated because a young religious Jew spit at a woman sitting in the front if the public bus when the religious required that she sit in the back with the other women.

If this were true, I don't think the spitting was out of sexism.  It would wrong and a type of assault. This being labeled as a sexist issue is inaccurate.

 thanks. Their is a problem with some "siccarim" who are doing things in the name of Halacha or Judaism, but what they represent and do is the antithesis of Judaism and Halacha.
 Examples of these include like you said spitt at people (women) for not going to the back of the bus. Harass little Jewish girls for supposedly not being "modest", (and these are religious girls) with screaming of names such as "shiksa" and other vulgar words. The harassment and intimidation of Jewish owned stores, with them also breaking glass and damaging property.
 These are sick people who do not represent Torah Judaism, but are using the word "Judaism" as if its representing them. and most of their targets are religious Jews and Haredim as well.

[Meerkat]

I remember hearing a story of a group of the type of people you're describing spitting on an 8yo girl.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

I remember hearing a story of a group of the type of people you're describing spitting on an 8yo girl.

 Maybe I'll make a new thread with these types of things, soo perhaps people can see what is NOT correct and not according to Halacha. Also something by the way that the leftist use to bash all religious Jews with. Exposing these types of things is good to get ride of in society as a whole and to show and contrast how we are against these type of things and what Judaism actually promotes and does not.

[Chaim Ben Pesach]

בס''ד

1. If religious Jews in Israel want to have separate buses in their neighborhoods, that should be their right. The government, the news media and the secularists have no right to dictate to them how to run buses in their communities.

2. The sole purpose of this giant media story in Israel is to attack the Torah and to attack religious Jews. This is pure propaganda. The thousands of Jewish girls and women who are raped and sexually assaulted every year by Arab Muslim Nazis don't get any attention from the evil media and the corrupt politicians. But separate seating on a bus is turned into a national scandal.

3. The fact that one Jew spit on one Jewish girl has been made into a national scandal. While it obviously is wrong to spit on a Jewish girl, to blame all religious Jews for this one act by one person is absurd. This is the only physical incident the media could find. There is a saying in Hebrew: the exception proves the rule. The fact that this is the only incident they could find proves how extremely rare it is for religious Jews to do anything even remotely physical to Jewish women - unlike the Arabs who brutally attack Jewish women every day without any media condemnation.

4. The same self-hating traitors in the media who are responsible for the mass murder of thousands of Jews by Arab terrorists are the ones who are demagogically screaming the loudest about this one incident. Meanwhile these same traitors are deliberately encouraging Jewish girls to go with Arab Nazis through movies and television programs that glorify such disgusting relationships.

5. The goal of the media is to destroy all Torah Jewish values and morals. I am amazed at how quickly people fall for this. If the media succeeds, Israel will face a catastrophe, G-d forbid.

[The One and Only Mo]

It seems to me that this is another case of religion vs. state. The state is a hypocrite because religion is the sole reason for its existence; that is, everything we know about Israel comes straight from the Torah.

[muman613]

I have noticed a rash of stories like these in the media recently. It seems like an all out attack on Torah values similar to the Greeks attempting to outlaw Torah during the story of Chanukah. When we light our Chanukakiahs we should remember to stand strong against these Hellenistic edicts. These too will pass...

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

They are just like the leftists and feminazis in America that call asking a woman out on a date "sexual harassment" and opposing abortion "patriarchal", but worship the schvartzes who are responsible for 98% of rapes.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

2. The sole purpose of this giant media story in Israel is to attack the Torah and to attack religious Jews. This is pure propaganda. The thousands of Jewish girls and women who are raped and sexually assaulted every year by Arab Muslim Nazis don't get any attention from the evil media and the corrupt politicians. But separate seating on a bus is turned into a national scandal.

Also don't forget that women are more likely to be pro-Arab than men, as insane as it is.

[Rubystars]

I wish they had separate seating for women in the USA, it would be a much safer environment. Maybe some one way and some another way, depending on people's preferences.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I wish they had separate seating for women in the USA, it would be a much safer environment. Maybe some one way and some another way, depending on people's preferences.

Only if there were no negroes in the general vicinity.