Anyone familiar with Yair Davidiy?

[Johnthewitness]

He is a Jew that argues that the Lost Tribes of Israel are the European peoples. This would make sense because Eastern Europeans have the same genetic type as the Levitical Jews (R1A).


122 Biblical proofs white people are the Lost Tribes of Israel.
http://www.britam.org/ListofProofs2.html
BRIT-AM LIST OF 122 BIBLICAL PROOFS with their verses quoted. [A group of peoples all related to each othermust be located that fit ALL of the criteria].

Were Scythians Israelites?
http://www.british-israel.us/21.html
"When Jacob built shelters for his cattle in Jordan, he called the place "SUCCOTH" (Heb. "Cottages" or "Huts") (Gen. 33:17). When Israel dwelt in Egypt, she named a town "SUCCOTH" (Ex. 12:37). In Palestine, the city of "SUCCOTH" was given to the tribe of Gad (Josh. 13:27). Later, Israel was deported to Media (2 Ki. 18:11) which is the same place that Diodorus Siculus says the "SCYTHIANS" had their origin "on the Araxes" River (2:3). Herodotus then says the SCYTHIANS moved "across the Araxes into Cimmeria" (the Crimea) (4:11). In 2 Esdras 13:40-46 we read that Israelites traveled this same route. Herodotus defines SCYTHIA as "On the south the coast of the Black Sea, from the mouth of the Danube to the Palus Meotus; on the east, to the Don or Tanais, to its rise out of the Lake Ivan; on the north, a line drawn from this lake to that out of which the Tyras or Dniester flows; and on the west, a line from thence to the Danube." (Herodotus Book 4). Later, Germany was known as "SCYTHIA" (Nennius' History of the Britons 31,37 & 50). Then Scandinavia was anciently called "SCATHAnavia." Ireland was known as "SCOTIA Major" and Scotland was called "SCOTIA Minor" (Venerable Bede & Nennius). Strabo says, "All the nations toward the northern parts, the ancient Greek writers call SCYTHIANS" (11:507)."

Also of interest...
Where did the 12 apostles go?
http://www.friendsofsabbath.org/ABC/HL%20Hoeh%20papers/Where_did_the_twelve_apostles_go_Hoeh.htm
Jesus commanded his apostles to preach only unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. His apostles went to Spain, France, Great Britain, Ireland, Macedonia, Romania etc.

[mord]

Yes of course

[Rubystars]

Everybody thinks they're the lost tribes of Israel.

[mord]

Everybody thinks they're the lost tribes of Israel.

Here's his whole site with video's                  http://www.britam.org/

[Zelhar]

bopkiss

[Rubystars]

I mean everyone thinks that their own group are the lost tribes. The Japanese think they're the lost tribes, Europeans think they're the lost tribes, some groups in India think they're the lost tribes, others say the Taliban are the lost tribes. It's something unknowable in my opinion at this time.

[muman613]

One thing is clear... The Edomites who are the nations of Europe did not treat their Jewish populations properly. Throughout the last 2000 years these European Edomites were massacring Jews left and right, remember the Inquisitions, the Pogroms, and the Holocaust...

If they were lost tribes, they are truly lost and will never be saved....

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Wasn't the Northern Tribes supposed to be in conflict with Judah? But then they stop idol worship, follow the Torah, observe the Jewish holidays, and join the Jews in the end?

Or am I way off here?

[muman613]

Its some lost memory, but I heard the lost tribe was the danites and the became the greeks after the demons came down from Hermon. I can't remember, but it was justified with (dan-pan-panthenon) and (hermon-hermes) and some other nonsense that sounds silly when I say it out loud. I'm at unknowable anyways, I'd have remembered that if I though it was true. Still seems to make sense until you hit "buyer's-remorse".

According to Jewish tradition there are 10 Lost Tribes.... Only 2 are known today...

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1679684/jewish/The-Exile-of-the-Ten-Lost-Tribes.htm

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The Ten Tribes

In the year 3154, one hundred and ninety years after the two kingdoms had split, Menahem ben Gadi seized the throne by assassinating Shallum—who had ruled for a mere month—and became the sixteenth king of Israel. It was during his reign that the Assyrians invaded the land of Israel.12 King Menahem, a brutal monarch who at the slightest hint of rebellion would destroy entire cities, had to contend both with his rapidly decreasing popularity and with the Assyrian invasion. As such, rather than resist the invaders, he preferred to levy a heavy tax on his subjects in order to pay tribute to the Assyrians in exchange for a promise to support his rule.13

The weight of Assyria’s dominion over the land of Israel began to bear down more heavily. King Pekah seized the throne after assassinating King Pekahiah, Menahem’s son. Seeing that there was no escape from complete subjugation by Assyria, he joined the revolt which King Rezin of Syria had organized against Assyria, in the hope of enlisting Egypt in an effort to stem the tide of the Assyrian conquest.

After King Jotham (and later his son King Ahaz) of Judea refused to join the revolt against the Assyrians, Pekah and Rezin invaded Judea, killing scores of its inhabitants. King Achaz then appealed to King Tiglath-Pileser of Assyria to come to his rescue. King Tiglath-Pileser jumped at the opportunity and marched into Syria, defeated King Rezin and annexed his land, making it one of Assyria’s provinces. He then turned against Israel and annexed part of the land, taking the tribes of Naphtali14 and Zebulun15 captive. Thus it was, in the year 3187, that the first of the ten tribes of the northern kingdom were exiled.16

That very same year, the Assyrian king organized a revolt against King Pekah under the leadership of Hoshea son of Elah, who assassinated the king and was then appointed as a vassal of Assyria.

It was in the year 3195, the eighth year of Hoshea’s service as a vassal to Assyria, that the Assyrians captured the Reubenites, the Gadites, and half the tribe of Manasseh,17 and exiled them to Halah, Habor, Hara, and the Gozan River.18 taking with them the idol that King Jeroboam had set up in Bethel to replace the Holy Temple.19

Seeing this, Hoshea rebelled against the Assyrians and sent messengers to the king of Egypt for support. He then appointed himself as an independent king over the remnants of the northern kingdom.20 Additionally, he removed the blockade which had stood for hundreds of years on the road to Jerusalem, finally giving the Israelites the choice of either serving G‑d in the Holy Temple or continuing to practice idolatry.21 This is the meaning of what the verse describes with regards to Hoshea: “And he did what was evil in the eyes of the L‑rd, though not like the kings of Israel who had preceded him.”22 Nevertheless, although the sentries were removed, the Jews continued in their idolatrous ways and did not go up to the Holy Temple in Jerusalem.23 When Shalmaneser, who had succeeded Tiglath-Pileser as king of Assyria, heard of Hoshea’s rebellion, he ravaged what was left of the land of Israel and laid siege to the capital city of Samaria. After three years, the city finally fell, and they razed the city to the ground, not even leaving any of its foundations standing.24 They then took all of its inhabitants, including the remaining inhabitants of the northern kingdom and their king, as captives.25

Thus it was in the year 3205, at the end of the reign of King Hoshea, the nineteenth king of the northern tribes—coinciding with the sixth year of the reign of King Hezekiah of Judea—that the northern kingdom fell and the rest of the ten tribes were exiled.
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[Rubystars]

One thing is clear... The Edomites who are the nations of Europe did not treat their Jewish populations properly. Throughout the last 2000 years these European Edomites were massacring Jews left and right, remember the Inquisitions, the Pogroms, and the Holocaust...

If they were lost tribes, they are truly lost and will never be saved....

They also murdered many of their own populations, way more than they did Jews. The wars between different European nations plus the many Christians who were tortured and murdered outnumber the Jews that were killed, not to diminish the significance of anyone's death. The vast majority of the world has always been a brutal, nasty place.

[Dr. Dan]

How can the aryan nation and black hebros both be lost tribes.  I say we have those two groups duke it out.

BTW the original poster was banned

[Rubystars]

Except when the Christians were murdered it was usually a means to an end, but when the Jews were murdered it was the end in itself.

I don't think the religious or government hierarchy necessarily had any greater hatred for a Jew than they did anyone else they considered to be a "heretic", or an enemy in war that was killed and/or tortured, but dead is dead and it was all very bad. It's true that Jews were hated as a group specifically but so were people who practiced other religions such as native paganisms/witchcraft, etc. or anyone who followed what would have been considered nonstandard/rival versions of Christianity at the time. People back then in general didn't view religion as a personal, free will choice at all but saw rival religions as subversive and treasonous to the leadership and/or entire society at best.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I don't think the religious or government hierarchy necessarily had any greater hatred for a Jew than they did anyone else they considered to be a "heretic", or an enemy in war that was killed and/or tortured, but dead is dead and it was all very bad. It's true that Jews were hated as a group specifically but so were people who practiced other religions such as native paganisms/witchcraft, etc. or anyone who followed what would have been considered nonstandard/rival versions of Christianity at the time. People back then in general didn't view religion as a personal, free will choice at all but saw rival religions as subversive and treasonous to the leadership and/or entire society at best.

It's like Nazism or Islamic jihad--yes Nazism and jihad have killed millions throughout Europe and fellow Muslims (respectively), but Jews were the only specific, premeditated target that a plan was in place against from the beginning. That is why the Holocaust and the various jihads throughout the Middle East are uniquely Jewish incidents even if ultimately Sh*tler wouldn't have minded killing all non-Aryans and non-Germans and Islamic leaders would like to kill all Muslims that differ in any way from them as well.

[Rubystars]

It's like Nazism or Islamic jihad--yes Nazism and jihad have killed millions throughout Europe and fellow Muslims (respectively), but Jews were the only specific, premeditated target that a plan was in place against from the beginning. That is why the Holocaust and the various jihads throughout the Middle East are uniquely Jewish incidents even if ultimately Sh*tler wouldn't have minded killing all non-Aryans and non-Germans and Islamic leaders would like to kill all Muslims that differ in any way from them as well.

I don't see one person dying as being necessarily worse than another person dying. Girls in China who died because their feet became gangrenous after having them mutilated didn't count any less than a protestant in Europe burnt at the stake for following what was considered to be the "wrong" form of Christianity by the RCC. This is true of most of human history, of how people were treated and too often still are treated. Much of the third world still has horrors like this occuring, such as innocent people in Africa being murdered for magical ritual purposes. I don't think Europe has ever had the monopoly on evil, as evil as many things were that occurred there during the last several centuries.

I think the Nazis stood out as particularly evil because they weren't some centuries-ago ignorant fools, but they deliberately did what they did in a relatively modern world, with modern technology and supposedly previous to this had a modern civilization in the first world. In spite of all this they STILL chose to be purely evil and they did focus specific hatred on Jews. That was absolutely demonic and the most extreme example of evil I know of. You definitely have a point when it comes to them and their pure hatred/evil.

[muman613]

Both Rubystars and Brennanfan are missing the point here...

The Jews have uniformly been mistreated on every continent we have lived in. The Jews are a convenient 'scapegoat' whether it is in the east or in the west, whether in Europe or the Middle East. Jew hatred cannot be compared to misogyny as Rubystars is implying. Jew hatred has been a blight on both Christianity and Islam... Jew hatred also is an affliction of those who hate G-d, or don't believe in G-d. Jews are hated whether we are rich, or whether we are poor, whether we are insular or even when we assimilate.

Jew hatred is not like any other racism or hatred in the world. In order to understand it you must attempt to understand the Jews mission in the world...

http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/HistoryJewishPersecution/

[Rubystars]

Both Rubystars and Brennanfan are missing the point here...

The Jews have uniformly been mistreated on every continent we have lived in. The Jews are a convenient 'scapegoat' whether it is in the east or in the west, whether in Europe or the Middle East. Jew hatred cannot be compared to misogyny as Rubystars is implying. Jew hatred has been a blight on both Christianity and Islam... Jew hatred also is an affliction of those who hate G-d, or don't believe in G-d. Jews are hated whether we are rich, or whether we are poor, whether we are insular or even when we assimilate.

Jew hatred is not like any other racism or hatred in the world. In order to understand it you must attempt to understand the Jews mission in the world...

http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/HistoryJewishPersecution/

Your original post seemed to imply that Europe was somehow fundamentally more evil  than other continents so that's why I thought that you meant that. I brought up the other people dying from cruelty because I don't see them as being more or less worthy than someone who dies in Europe.

In our modern society we tend to think of religion as a personal free will choice that everyone has a right to decide for themselves. Back a few centuries ago, this was simply not the mindset at all. Muslim countries still have the older mindset, punishing/murdering "apostates", witches, atheists, members of other religions, etc.

[muman613]

Your original post seemed to imply that Europe was somehow fundamentally more evil  than other continents so that's why I thought that you meant that. I brought up the other people dying from cruelty because I don't see them as being more or less worthy than someone who dies in Europe.

In our modern society we tend to think of religion as a personal free will choice that everyone has a right to decide for themselves. Back a few centuries ago, this was simply not the mindset at all. Muslim countries still have the older mindset, punishing/murdering "apostates", witches, atheists, members of other religions, etc.

According to Jewish belief we have several eternal opponents...

1) The descendants of Ishmael (The arabs)
2) The descendants of Essau (The Europeans, descended of Rome)
3) The descendants of Amalek (Who is related to both Ishmael and Essau)

http://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/380582/jewish/Heal-Israel.htm

[Rubystars]

According to Jewish belief we have several eternal opponents...

1) The descendants of Ishmael (The arabs)
2) The descendants of Essau (The Europeans, descended of Rome)
3) The descendants of Amalek (Who is related to both Ishmael and Essau)

Originally Rome considered most of the rest of Europe to be a bunch of barbarians, so how can you say that Europe= descendants of Rome? Granted they did rule over much of the continent at one time or another.

[muman613]

Originally Rome considered most of the rest of Europe to be a bunch of barbarians, so how can you say that Europe= descendants of Rome? Granted they did rule over much of the continent at one time or another.

From Chabads page:

Let's now see what the Torah says about the source of our affliction. According to the Arizal, Rabbi Isaac Luria, Israel is passing through seven exiles among the nations. Until the final redemption, we feel the effects of all of these seven exiles. The last two exiles, which we are most strongly experiencing, are that of Edom and Ishmael.

The Arizal teaches that each exile corresponds to a limb of the shadow side of humanity (see "Israel and the Seventy Dimensions of the World: a Kabbalistic approach to an enduring world peace", p. 44). "Edom" corresponds to the shadow side of the right leg of humanity.

Edom inherited by Esau, Jacob's (Israel's) brother originally settled the land south of Judah's inheritance, adjacent to the south of Gaza. Esau has since dispersed and infiltrated the Western culture of Europe and America. Because of Israel's present unconscious state and her subsequent malfunctions, the right foot of humanity's shadow side is exerting its influence and handing Israel over to her enemies. Translated to the political arena, America and Europe are pressing for Israel's amputation.

Although we experience all exiles in varying degrees until the final redemption, we are presently dominated by the last two exiles, that of Edom and Ishmael. Ishmael, the last and most dominating exile, corresponds to the left leg of the shadow side of humanity.
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[Rubystars]

The Chabad author seems to be saying that Judaism considers America and Europe to be its mortal enemies. This is almost identical to what neo nazis say.

So as an American of European descent, I'm automatically considered to be an enemy regardless of the fact I don't want to be? Is it like blacks who will always hate me even if I were to go and work in a homeless shelter then? I don't know if you really want to go this route Muman.

[muman613]

The Chabad author seems to be saying that Judaism considers America and Europe to be its mortal enemies. This is almost identical to what neo nazis say.

So as an American of European descent, I'm automatically considered to be an enemy regardless of the fact I don't want to be? Is it like blacks who will always hate me even if I were to go and work in a homeless shelter then? I don't know if you really want to go this route Muman.

These are not physical attributes but spiritual attributes. Indeed the American system is not the Torah mandated system of government, and as Rabbi Kahane has said many times Democracy is not a Torah ideal.

It is possible for descendants of Esau or of Ishmael to convert to Judaism and then they are ideologically on the same page as the Children of Israel. But the ideology of Europe is described as the Descendants of Edom, as are the arabs called Ishmael and Amalek...

http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/isaac_and_his_sons/

Esau, who embodies the power of might and sword, will, through his descendants, give rise to the Roman Empire or “Edom” as the Bible calls it. The power or Rome clearly lay its ability to conquer, dominate and build and Empire. Even after the decline and fall of the Roman Empire, the spirit and power of Rome will perpetuate itself through the rise of the West and the Empires of Europe. And, of course, it is the Romans (as in Roman Catholic Church) that converted the world to Christianity, the other great monotheistic faith.
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As intense as the rivalry is between Isaac and Ishmael (the Jews and the Arabs) they are only half brothers. Jacob and Esau are twins with the same genetic material. This rivalry (Israel and Rome/The West) is understood to be the ultimate rivalry in history. This is nothing less than a cosmic struggle. These two—Jacob and Esau—started fighting in utero, and they’re going to be fighting throughout history. The battle continues until today and does not end until the final showdown during the messianic era. It’s not an even battle ever. Esau will always be stronger in the physical sense, but the Jewish people have inner strengths, resources and a destiny that will ultimately lead to their triumph and humanity’s return to God.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I have to agree with Rubystars. The continents are equally evil, both when it comes to abusing and brutalizing fellow humans in general and anti-Semitism in particular.

I remind all of my thread of a few weeks ago, "Yimach shemo to the world".

[Rubystars]

These are not physical attributes but spiritual attributes. Indeed the American system is not the Torah mandated system of government, and as Rabbi Kahane has said many times Democracy is not a Torah ideal.

I don't want a theocratic government. I want a technically secular government that allows for free expression of religion in the society and public arena and for individual choice of faith.

It is possible for descendants of Esau or of Ishmael to convert to Judaism and then they are ideologically on the same page as the Children of Israel. But the ideology of Europe is described as the Descendants of Edom, as are the arabs called Ishmael and Amalek...

Judaism discourages converts, right?  Is that the only way someone can be 'good' in your eyes? If they believe in your religion as the right one? Sounds an awful lot like the ancient mindset I was talking about earlier in some ways.

I support Israel, but I also think there's some very good things to be preserved in Western nations. I think Judaism should concern itself with Israel.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

You two need to calm down for a moment! Before the tread is taken down. And I can't say much right now. But you two are fighting over the same culprit.

[Rubystars]

You two need to calm down for a moment! Before the tread is taken down. And I can't say much right now.But you to are fighting over the some culprit.

I'm not really intending to fight. I'm trying to understand the mindset. Sorry if my posts seemed 'intense'.