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Dan Ben Noah:
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muman613:
--- Quote from: Dan Ben Noah on March 21, 2012, 04:01:36 PM ---http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/235416
The Zomet Institute has unveiled a new telephone which can be dialed on the Sabbath without breaking the Jewish laws of the day of rest. The phone can be dialed without technically connecting thus avoiding Shabbat prohibitions. The Zomet Institute is located in Jerusalem headed by a team of twenty-five rabbis who work with engineers to create Torah friendly solutions for hospitals, the army and other institutions that may need to break Shabbat for emergency reasons
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Yes this phone is not intended for general use... Using the phone on Shabbat violates the 'spirit of Shabbat' even if it doesn't violate a Melachot {forbidden labors} of Shabbat...
Of course in a life threatening situation using the Phone is permitted due to the concept of "Pikuach Nefesh"...
But it is great that they are working to reduce the amount of aveirah {transgression} which the IDF commit.
Israel Chai:
--- Quote from: muman613 on March 21, 2012, 04:16:20 PM ---Yes this phone is not intended for general use... Using the phone on Shabbat violates the 'spirit of Shabbat' even if it doesn't violate a Melachot {forbidden labors} of Shabbat...
Of course in a life threatening situation using the Phone is permitted due to the concept of "Pikuach Nefesh"...
But it is great that they are working to reduce the amount of aveirah {transgression} which the IDF commit.
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Pardon me if I am ignorant to certain facts on the matter, but isn't it only servile work, not using electricity forbidden on sabbath? I don't understand how this counts as servile work. Is this tradition? There's no way electricity could be forbidden in Torah anyways. As I see it, collecting wood is forbidden, but lighting logs already sitting there for some tea isn't (I may be wrong), so if that logic holds, pluging a generator into a manual treadmill is forbidden, but not using the electricity that's already there.
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: LocustKillingZealot on March 21, 2012, 04:25:52 PM ---Pardon me if I am ignorant to certain facts on the matter, but isn't it only servile work, not using electricity forbidden on sabbath? I don't understand how this counts as servile work. Is this tradition? There's no way electricity could be forbidden in Torah anyways. As I see it, collecting wood is forbidden, but lighting logs already sitting there for some tea isn't (I may be wrong), so if that logic holds, pluging a generator into a manual treadmill is forbidden, but not using the electricity that's already there.
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Their was an opinion that felt that way about Yom Tov, but not for Shabbath, but after investogation the vast majority of Poskim see that it is forbidden for both.
You say their is no way.... Please bring the proof why not. Actually the lighting itself is forbidden. Their are 39 Melachot and lighting is one of them.
Israel Chai:
Oh. Do you have a source for this? I'd love to read it. My sincere thanks and blessing for sharing.
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