Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan

[Rubystars]

I think that "Sieg Heil" actually means Praise the Sun. The Nazi salute is actually a "Roman salute", where the arm is extended toward the sun. And people try to say that Hitler was a devout Catholic.

I think he used the RCC for his own purposes and used that religion as a tool, but that his true beliefs were not any form of Christianity but an ancient form of sun worship. 

The RCC leadership and some priests have also often been corrupt or evil although I believe many individual Catholics are sincere Christians. I'm not a Catholic myself but I'm a non-denominational Christian so I have no reason to defend them as a denomination. I don't think it's fair to them to classify Hitler as being truly one of them though because his pagan beliefs differed so greatly from official RCC doctrines even if evil priests and an evil pope did take his side.

I think his true religious influences were people like Blavatsky and List and possibly Aleister Crowley who may or may not have met with Hitler at some point.

Statues of Apollo (a Greco-Roman sun god) sometimes show the same arm pose. Also Sieg is a rune that was also called "Sol" sometimes, which means sun.

Some say Sieg means victory and Sieg Heil means Hail the Victory. Even this plays into the sun worship aspect because "the unconquered sun" or "invincible sun" is called Sol Invictus, implying that the sun god is all powerful and unconquerable.

Hitler's attempt at creating an Axis alliance was one of the earlier modern attempts at a one-world system. He wanted the entire world to turn about the axis, not just Europe. He also put into practice the NWO doctrine of depopulation by murdering millions of people, both Jewish and others.

One thing that I was having a hard time wrapping my head around was how could Hitler be nationalistic? Nationalism is a right wing concept, while socialism is a left wing concept. You don't mix oil and water. So I got to thinking about it and concluded that Hitler only used nationalistic feelings and gave lip service to nationalism as a tool, much like he used the RCC's religion as a tool.

If he were truly nationalist, he would not have wanted the entire world to be one under his control. True nationalism calls for separation, borders, and distinct peoples. If there was a one-world system, even a Nazi one, there would be no individual nations anymore. Therefore, the nationalism that scholars use to try to portray the Nazis as right wing, was a farce. The left wing aspect, the socialism, was a true part of Nazi-ism.

[Rubystars]

Yes, he believed that Christianity was a form of Jewish influence, and belief-wise he associated more with the occult.  He was essentially an Amalekite spiritually speaking (or lack thereof).  This is why you will see a bunch of neo-Nazis worshipping Odin.

Thanks for your post Dan! I remember reading something about how they had marked some graves with death runes in preference to crosses too at one point but I don't remember the exact reference at the moment.

I also think that Odin and Thor and other Norse deities have almost exact matches in Greco-Roman mythology which is one reason why probably that Nazis mixed these different things together. They all basically had their origins in sun worship which could explain many of the commonalities. I think most ancient and pagan peoples venerated the sun because it was the biggest, brightest thing they could perceive with their natural eyes. Any Bible-based belief would oppose worshipping a creation like the sun and focus on worshipping the Creator.

[mord]

True Hitler looked like Odin 

[Rubystars]

True Hitler looked like Odin 

Too bad nobody got to gouge his eyes out.

[Rubystars]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sowilo_rune#Nazi_usage

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Who do you guys consider the occult? The reason I ask, is because Masons are accused of that, and Hitler killed them too.

I also agree about Hitler and the Norse beliefs. And I have heard first hand about odin worship from nazis.

[Rubystars]

Who do you guys consider the occult? The reason I ask, is because Masons are accused of that, and Hitler killed them too.

They use occult symbols. No wonder they are 'accused' of it. Worldy "gnosis" or knowledge is inferior to the true knowledge you can get from the Bible.

Greek and Roman and Egyptian mythology was occultic, pagan, not Biblical.

In the masonic search for "ancient knowledge", they delve into many pagan sources.

Alesteir Crowley was a mason, Albert Pike was, Eliphas Levi was also a mason and occultist. The search for "light" or "enlightenment" should begin with the Bible, not any other kind of ancient sources. Would God want you to look to the sorcerors of Egypt for knowledge and enlightenment, or would He want  you to look to the Biblical writers?

I also agree about Hitler and the Norse beliefs. And I have heard first hand about odin worship from nazis.

Helius/Io/XAO/Ra/Horus/Apollo and the other names this entity is referred to by is also the same evil. It's wrong to honor in any way any type of sun deity. The sun is a creation, God is the creator.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

I meant Hitler worshiped norse gods! I don't agree with their beliefs.

[Rubystars]

I meant Hitler worshiped norse gods! I don't agree with their beliefs.

Good

[muman613]

What must be mentioned is that Hitler was able to harness Christian antisemitism in a way which no other could harness. A lot of the basis for German Jew hatred stemmed from the teaching of Martin Luther and without this foundation of Jew hatred it is doubtful whether Hitler would have been able to seize power on a platform of nullifying European Jewry and promising the extermination of world Jewry.

All righteous non-Jews are worthy of praise but there were a lot of European Christians who were supporting Hitler because of his Jew hatred. Those who fed the flame of Jew hatred are worthy of scorn.

[Rubystars]

What must be mentioned is that Hitler was able to harness Christian antisemitism in a way which no other could harness. A lot of the basis for German Jew hatred stemmed from the teaching of Martin Luther and without this foundation of Jew hatred it is doubtful whether Hitler would have been able to seize power on a platform of nullifying European Jewry and promising the extermination of world Jewry.

That's a good point Muman. Evil people had for a long time taken control of the RCC church leadership and taught evil things through this power. The general populace believed it in earlier times because they had no viable alternative to Catholicism unless they wanted to be killed. Most people were also not able to read the Bible for themselves and were forced to rely on priests to read it for them, and could not verify in any way whether the knowledge that was passed on to them was accurate or inaccurate.

The governments were theocratic in nature, carrying out the will of evil church leadership by killing or persecuting what the RCC perceived to be its enemies.

Martin Luther came from this religious tradition, and even though he had grievances with some aspects of the church, and I think he was right to want to make some of his reformations, but as you pointed out, he was still unfortunately very evil in the way he viewed Jewish people.

European anti-semitism has its basis in these warped beliefs of both the RCC and some Protestant sources. However the Greco-Roman and Egyptian paganism was also very anti-Jewish and these too had influences within the RCC itself.  There was a lot of pagan infiltration and manipulation going on within the church power. It was far removed from the first Christians and their beliefs.

All righteous non-Jews are worthy of praise but there were a lot of European Christians who were supporting Hitler because of his Jew hatred. Those who fed the flame of Jew hatred are worthy of scorn.

I agree with you completely on that.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Alesteir Crowley was a mason, Albert Pike was, Eliphas Levi was also a mason and occultist. The search for "light" or "enlightenment" should begin with the Bible, not any other kind of ancient sources. Would G-d want you to look to the sorcerors of Egypt for knowledge and enlightenment, or would He want  you to look to the Biblical writers?


  Sorry Ruby, but that is like saying Soro's is a Jew!

[USAReturn2GodNow1776]

Yep, that pretty much sums up Shitler, the anti-nationalist

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I agree Martin Lucifer inspired Shitler a lot, but where did he get his Nazism from? German culture has been anti-Semitic from time immemorial.

[Rubystars]

Alesteir Crowley was a mason, Albert Pike was, Eliphas Levi was also a mason and occultist. The search for "light" or "enlightenment" should begin with the Bible, not any other kind of ancient sources. Would G-d want you to look to the sorcerors of Egypt for knowledge and enlightenment, or would He want  you to look to the Biblical writers?


  Sorry Ruby, but that is like saying Soro's is a Jew!

No, it's not like that. Soros is technically Jewish although many on this board might believe he was "cut off" from the Jewish people because of his evil actions. It's not really my place to say whether he was or wasn't though.

Masonry teaches men to seek gnosis (worldly knowledge) and seek "light" or enlightenment. One way in which they pursue this is to look into esoteric symbols and knowledge from ancient cultures, such as the Greeks, Romans, and Egyptians. They believe that these cultures had wisdom that would be useful for someone today. What ends up happening when they go down this path is that they are turning to pagans for wisdom rather than the Bible.

It's true there's a Bible in American lodges, but it's used as a non-exclusive source of "ancient knowledge" which they often have very different interpretations of than the standard understandings. For example Hiram Abiff is elevated to a much more important role than he ever had in the Bible itself.

The G stands for many things including Grand Architect (not the God of the Bible), Gnosis, Geometry, among other meanings I haven't quite worked out yet. I think there are probably six meanings but those are the three I know. 

[Rubystars]

Yep, that pretty much sums up Shitler, the anti-nationalist

I have a feeling you're being facetious here but if you have a better explanation then please go into it. Right wing and left wing concepts are like oil and water. Nationalism is a right wing concept. Socialism is a left wing concept. The idea of a Nationalist Socialist party doesn't make sense. Something, somewhere, has to give.

In Hitler's case, he wanted to rule the entire world.

Think of what that means in practical terms. Yes, nationalists may want their borders to expand and for them to control more resources/area, etc. and for their own nation's power to be supreme. However what he was proposing was to do away with all borders and rule the entire world.

This means the dissolving of all nations or the blending of all nations into one (minus those peoples he would consider inferior stock). Considering that he was friendly with both Muslims and Japanese this wasn't even a racial priority as much as it's made out to be. Whatever the world would have looked like had the Nazi dream come true, it certainly wouldn't have looked like a world full of Germans/Austrians. It would have been a multicultural empire rather than a monocultural nation.

[USAReturn2GodNow1776]

I have a feeling you're being facetious here but if you have a better explanation then please go into it. Right wing and left wing concepts are like oil and water. Nationalism is a right wing concept. Socialism is a left wing concept. The idea of a Nationalist Socialist party doesn't make sense. Something, somewhere, has to give.

In Hitler's case, he wanted to rule the entire world.

Think of what that means in practical terms. Yes, nationalists may want their borders to expand and for them to control more resources/area, etc. and for their own nation's power to be supreme. However what he was proposing was to do away with all borders and rule the entire world.

This means the dissolving of all nations or the blending of all nations into one (minus those peoples he would consider inferior stock). Considering that he was friendly with both Muslims and Japanese this wasn't even a racial priority as much as it's made out to be. Whatever the world would have looked like had the Nazi dream come true, it certainly wouldn't have looked like a world full of Germans/Austrians. It would have been a multicultural empire rather than a monocultural nation.

No, really. What you say makes sense.

[Rubystars]

No, really. What you say makes sense.

Thanks

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Thanks Ruby! For your point of view. 

[mord]

I agree Martin Lucifer inspired Shitler a lot, but where did he get his Nazism from? German culture has been anti-Semitic from time immemorial.

Actually the original Germanic tribes where very accepting of Jews                 http://www.sullivan-county.com/religion/arians_jews.htm

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Actually the original Germanic tribes where very accepting of Jews                 http://www.sullivan-county.com/religion/arians_jews.htm

You make a good point. If you really go back far enough the ancient Germanic tribes were like the heroic Serbs of their day in their resistance of the Roman Nazis. But as soon as they got any kind of national identity they became Nazis.

[Israel Chai]

Whoa wait you guys like masons? I met some who were muslim and tried to tell me that everything in torah is fake and really muslims know the truth crap, and other ones who I ended up councelling who were Jews and were completely taken in by little half-useful pieces of knowedge that didn't tell the full story anyways, so they just mislead you. They were like ultimately loyal and these people didn't really tell them much anyways, and they were saying that Justin Trudeau, a liberal politician in Canada, was really the one backing them. I went to his site and they were all sympathizing about muslims being sent to Guantanamo, and generally every story I hear about masons is ignoramuses or very messed up people joining up, except for some old people who think its cool.

They will never have the fellowship or brotherhood that a Jewish community can. Their knowledge and spirituality will always be shallow and deformed in comparison.

[muman613]

Whoa wait you guys like masons? I met some who were muslim and tried to tell me that everything in torah is fake and really muslims know the truth crap, and other ones who I ended up councelling who were Jews and were completely taken in by little half-useful pieces of knowedge that didn't tell the full story anyways, so they just mislead you. They were like ultimately loyal and these people didn't really tell them much anyways, and they were saying that Justin Trudeau, a liberal politician in Canada, was really the one backing them. I went to his site and they were all sympathizing about muslims being sent to Guantanamo, and generally every story I hear about masons is ignoramuses or very messed up people joining up, except for some old people who think its cool.

They will never have the fellowship or brotherhood that a Jewish community can. Their knowledge and spirituality will always be shallow and deformed in comparison.

I agree that Freemasonry should never be considered a religion. Religiously it is lacking from a Jewish perspective. But as a fraternal professional organization it may have its use.

[Rubystars]

Whoa wait you guys like masons?

I'm 100% against them.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

I'm 100% against them.

Ruby,I want to let you know, that I'm not a Mason, or do I worship satan. I just find them interesting!(not satan!) And yes! I was influenced by Gnostic Christianity, and not Trinitarian. And I would never push that on you.

  I would like to add Hitler was not a Mason! He hated them, and killed them second to the Jews. He did take things from them, symbols, etc. Hitler and the Russians both accused Masons and Jews of working together to take over the World! An example would be" The Elders of Zion".

  Do you think the Freemason are behind the NWO?

  P.s. I greatly appreciate your point of view.