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muman613:
--- Quote from: Zelhar on April 11, 2012, 05:56:03 AM ---I would like to think that there is a soul that survives.
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Is this just your opinion or do you have sources to back it up? Sometimes it seems to me like you are a Karaite, one who accepts only the Written Torah yet rejects the Oral Tradition.
Zelhar:
--- Quote from: muman613 on April 11, 2012, 11:30:39 PM ---Is this just your opinion or do you have sources to back it up? Sometimes it seems to me like you are a Karaite, one who accepts only the Written Torah yet rejects the Oral Tradition.
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I am a skeptic secular Jew. So I don't actually accept the Torah as absolute truth either. I try to analyze information logically both in terms of absolute truth as well as in relation to premises. So, in my arguments here I took for the sake of the argument the Torah as premiss as Judaism does. I also accept as premiss, for the scope of this discussion at least, the oral Torah that was given to Moses. BUT, to me the Oral Torah means:
A. Halacha that is specifically said to be "halacha lemoshe mesinai".
B. Halacha that is logically derived from the Torah (including oral Torah of type A).
There is another type which I hold on a lesser category of "truth" and that is:
C. Halacha that is derived by "extended" logic such as remez, drash, metaphors and agadah. Obviously such derivation is significantly weaker then pure logic.
So far all the proofs I see regarding resurrection, eternal souls etc fall into category C.
edu:
I will present to you Zelhar the proof I once used to convince a secular "Jewish Studies" professor, that the Torah believes in an afterlife and resurrection.
There are various overt sentences in the Torah which state that G-d is just in his ways and rewards the good and punishes the bad.
For centuries though, from the very writing of the Torah, however, one might witness instances where it would not be so apparent the connection between good deeds getting reward and bad deeds getting punishment.
So as mere logic you should already assume that built into the system of reward and punishment and G-d's justice is an afterlife, where those that did not get for the good or the bad what was due to them during their lifetime, would be paid back what was owed them.
This logical conclusion would not take a thousand years or more to come upon the scene until having met with some Gentile culture, that also believed in an afterlife.
Zelhar:
The belief in reward and punishment certainly gives a strong motivation to believe in afterlife. I don't think it's a a logical proof.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: muman613 on April 09, 2012, 07:28:15 PM ---Chabad studies Rambam more than most...
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Still no.
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