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Shalom
Ephraim Ben Noach:
I hate it that you all fight so much, but all of you teach so much when you do. Thank you! I pray one day all Chirstians, Noachides, and Jews can come together! And come back to Hashem, and the Torah!
P.S. I'm not meaning to sound like a Homo! :::D
edu:
For the benefit of Zelhar who has questions about where the resurrection of the dead and the world to come are found in the Bible I am repeating what I wrote on an earlier thread.
--- Quote ---I will restate what I have written above as an introduction
There are 2 types of reward after death for the righteous Jew or righteous Gentile.
1 The Spiritual resting place of the soul - called Gan {Garden} Eden, where the soul experiences spiritual delights in accordance to the merit it earned directly or indirectly.
2 According to Rabbis, such as Rabbi Ovadia of Bartenura, [and I believe this is the majority viewpoint], some time in the future, the soul will be reunited with an improved body and the soul and body will continue to exist eternally in a world that is much more satisfying than it is today.
Given my contention that resurrection of the dead is describing the World to Come, there are many references in the Tanakh. The source that the Sages cite in tractate Sanhedrin is Dvarim/Deuteronomy 32:39 "I will make them die and bring to life". The Talmud asks perhaps, the verse is talking about making one individual die and a different one alive. The Talmud answers, since the verse continues on by talking about the healing of an injured individual, just like in that instance it is talking about the same individual, so too at the beginning of the verse, when talking about bringing to life, it is talking about the same individual that was put to death.
Indication #2, Yaakov/Jacob makes a big fuss about not burying him in Egypt, but rather to bury him in Israel. Why all the fuss? One of the reasons is that as far as the afterlife is concerned it makes a big difference. There is an element of atonement plus one comes to back life earlier if one is buried in Israel.
The prophets Eliyahu and Elijah bring the dead back to life (although only temporarily)
Many (but not all) understand Yechezkel's/Ezekiel's vision of the bones of killed people coming back to life as referring to resurrection of the dead (see chapter 37)
see Daniel 12:2 "And many that sleep in the dust of the earth will awaken, these for a life of eternity", etc.
There are other examples, but I think I have provided more than enough.
I will also bring up one more point. If man had eaten from the tree of life, it says in the Tanakh, he would have lived forever. So again we see, the concept of eternal life is not alien to the Tanakh and from the other verses that I brought, we see that after man has gained atonement through death, he regains his access to eternal life, if he was righteous.
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Zelhar:
--- Quote from: edu on April 10, 2012, 04:41:00 AM ---For the benefit of Zelhar who has questions about where the resurrection of the dead and the world to come are found in the Bible I am repeating what I wrote on an earlier thread.
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Thank you for bringing this and as far as I comprehend this is not a valid proof that the Tanakh states there is an after life and resurrection. Yes there are verses that may be a hint of such things in the Tanakh, but apparently only because the Talmudist seem to be sure that such concepts exists. Moreover all the detailed description given in later sources about the world to come, the resurrection, and some other fantastic concepts must be based at best on some oral traditions, it cannot be based on the tanakh.
Ephraim Ben Noach:
--- Quote from: Zelhar on April 10, 2012, 02:32:39 PM ---Thank you for bringing this and as far as I comprehend this is not a valid proof that the Tanakh states there is an after life and resurrection.
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Just curious, what do you think happens when you die? Do you not believe there is anything outside this life?
Zelhar:
--- Quote from: Ephraim on April 11, 2012, 12:15:50 AM --- Just curious, what do you think happens when you die? Do you not believe there is anything outside this life?
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I would like to think that there is a soul that survives.
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