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Jewish Astrology? Some Jewish sources.
muman613:
http://www.naaleh.com/viewclass/505/single/
Rabbi Avishai David analyzes the position of the goyim and of Klal Yisrael regarding astrology,and explains the significance of 'Tamim T'hiyeh Im Hashem Elokecha.' This Torah class is available online in streaming video and for download in mp3 and ipod formats.
Tag-MehirTzedek:
This is what abolished our kingdom, destroyed our Beit HaMikdash, prolonged our exile, and brought us to our present predicament. Our fathers sinned and are no more.
For they found many astrology books, followed them, and went astray. They imagined that these wisdoms were glorious and greatly beneficial, and they did not study warfare and land conquest. Instead, they imagined that these wisdoms would help them. Therefore, the prophets called them fools; and they certainly were fools, for they followed vanities which cannot avail nor rescue, for they are vain. (Iggrot U'Teshuvot LeRambam, Iggrot Shonot, p. 21. 204)
Israel613.com
See also
http://people.bu.edu/dklepper/RN242/rambam2.html
muman613:
--- Quote from: Tag-MahirTzedek on April 22, 2012, 09:25:52 PM ---This is what abolished our kingdom, destroyed our Beit HaMikdash, prolonged our exile, and brought us to our present predicament. Our fathers sinned and are no more.
For they found many astrology books, followed them, and went astray. They imagined that these wisdoms were glorious and greatly beneficial, and they did not study warfare and land conquest. Instead, they imagined that these wisdoms would help them. Therefore, the prophets called them fools; and they certainly were fools, for they followed vanities which cannot avail nor rescue, for they are vain. (Iggrot U'Teshuvot LeRambam, Iggrot Shonot, p. 21. 204)
Israel613.com
See also
http://people.bu.edu/dklepper/RN242/rambam2.html
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Yes, I saw this in Dan's thread on Rambam... And several sources I have brought have acknowledged the Rambams position. I stated initially I am bringing sources other than Rambam which support the belief that there is a power of nature, which is expressed in the stars, and yet a Jew must not look to these things in order to determine the future.
Every source I bring says clearly that we should not attempt to use this kind of knowledge in order to control the future, or to foresee the future, but that we should know in our EMMUNAH and BITACHON in Hashem that even if it seems that nature is against us, that we can be above nature, as our father Abraham was shown by Hashem in the desert.
I have stated many times that I am against anyone trying to foretell the date of the final redemption. I am content just knowing that it will come, when Hashem thinks it is the correct time.
Ephraim Ben Noach:
--- Quote from: Tag-MahirTzedek on April 22, 2012, 09:25:52 PM ---This is what abolished our kingdom, destroyed our Beit HaMikdash, prolonged our exile, and brought us to our present predicament. Our fathers sinned and are no more.
For they found many astrology books, followed them, and went astray. They imagined that these wisdoms were glorious and greatly beneficial, and they did not study warfare and land conquest. Instead, they imagined that these wisdoms would help them. Therefore, the prophets called them fools; and they certainly were fools, for they followed vanities which cannot avail nor rescue, for they are vain. (Iggrot U'Teshuvot LeRambam, Iggrot Shonot, p. 21. 204)
Israel613.com
See also
http://people.bu.edu/dklepper/RN242/rambam2.html
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Which kingdom?
Tag-MehirTzedek:
http://www.rationalistjudaism.com/2012/04/review-of-secrets-of-stars.html
(and to Ephraim- the Jewish one before the galut).
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