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Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Dan Ben Noah on May 16, 2012, 04:51:51 AM ---The same thing could be said about Satmar rabbis which I also don't have much use for. If you're doing something that's leading people astray, that's nothing to be respected for.
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So does it make sense to make up conspiracy theories like that the Satmar rebbi was working for the Pope or he secretly murdered the rebbe of such and such etc chas veshalom Oh yeah, and then got murdered himself because the vatican conspiracies always defame a person and then say they "lost their usefulness" and that's why they didn't live long.
Having no use for someone's views is perfectly fine. Making up insane tales that defame the person and wrongfully accuse them is NOT FINE.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Dan Ben Noah on May 16, 2012, 12:50:04 AM ---You must beware of sharing the error of those who write amulets (kameot). Whatever you hear from them, or read in their works, especially in reference to the names which they form by combination, is utterly senseless; they call these combinations shemot (names) and believe that their pronunciation demands sanctification and purification, and that by using them they are enabled to work miracles. Rational persons ought not to listen to such men, nor in any way believe their assertions.
--Rambam, Guide for the Perplexed, Part 1, chapter 61.
Source: http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/gfp/gfp071.htm
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I don't disagree with one word of this.
And at the same time, I don't slander and make up stories about people who think differently about amulets.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: edu on May 16, 2012, 02:09:20 PM ---
But even Rambam allows (Hilchot Shabbat 19:14) for people to go out on Shabbat with an Amulet that was made by an expert with a proven record of healing 3 people or made by an expert, who is known to have cured 3 people with his amulet.
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That just shows he was ahead of his time by having an empirical mindset.
Placebo effect is a real thing. If something has PROVEN track record of healing, fine, it's a medical device. (Even if that healing was done thru placebo effect). The whole point of being against amulets was that it was superstition and a phony type of miracle-working. But the rational approach to Judaism would assert that if something is proven to work in a certain way, it can be used for that thing. Keep in mind medicine was not very advanced in those days.
Tag-MehirTzedek:
http://www.rationalistjudaism.com/2010/10/you-dont-mess-with-zohar.html
You Don't Mess With The Zohar
muman613:
--- Quote from: Dan Ben Noah on May 17, 2012, 05:07:27 PM ---I didn't make up anything and I didn't slander anyone.
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What the original video you posted was is Slander...
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