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To Whom Qabala May Concern — The Authenticity of the Zohar –Update 02
muman613:
--- Quote from: LocustKillingZealot on May 22, 2012, 12:36:41 AM ---He keeps accusing me of things, since I came. He implied I was in league with secularnazist, and here he implies that I seek to do something bad or another. I'm not actually offended, I don't speak when I'm mad. I just like it when people express emotion, because its so easy to know exactly how they'll react and play with them (well fun for me), and I was once told that if you give an idiot enough rope, they hang themselves. I tried that a couple times, but no, Ephraim is not dumb, but emotional yes, so I drag that lease around until he realizes that he's holding his own collar on. Tough love, I don't take sides with personal development, and its why all my friends love me.
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Well, I don't think you have any bad intention here. And I believe Ephraim also is here for good reasons. We all need to be able to express our thoughts and beliefs in a way which others can understand. This is a challenge in a forum where we don't see or hear each other, and sometimes what we write doesn't exactly fit what we are trying to say.
I believe both LKZ and Ephraim are supportive of the ideas of Kabbalah whether or not the Zohar is 100% authentic as suggested {concerning complete authorship by R. Simon Bar Yochai}. I too feel this way, and I believe Tag is also lenient concerning belief in Kabbalistic ideas... We all are on the same page, although we all have differing understanding, and this is fine according to me.
Ephraim Ben Noach:
He just admitted to saying things to get under my skin. He also makes statements that can be interpreted two different ways. And sometimes even backwards.
That being said... If he is here to help the JTF and worship Hashem then I will back off!
My apologies LKZ.
Israel Chai:
--- Quote from: Ephraim on May 22, 2012, 08:49:54 PM ---He just admitted to saying things to get under my skin. He also makes statements that can be interpreted two different ways. And sometimes even backwards.
That being said... If he is here to help the JTF and worship Hashem then I will back off!
My apologies LKZ.
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If it gets under your skin, then there are words that can be said to initiate an expected response in you. Man up, nobody can afford a weak link. Your emotions make you easy to control, if you do not control them.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
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--- Quote from: LocustKillingZealot on May 22, 2012, 12:01:14 AM ---I think Ephraim hates me. Anyways, nobody here suggested the kaballah is witchcraft, and neither did I make such an accusation, only that in Spain that's what they said, and indeed to an ignorant person a temple falling from the sky is all too mystical.
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Call it names if you like, but to me that is indeed far too mystical and quite frankly not how the world works (not how G-d made it). I think it is foolish to believe the temple will fall from the sky nowadays and blind to think that "inspiring pure bitachon" will do more to bring about a Jewish temple than say "encouraging fulfillment of the mitzvah of aliyah/settling the land of israel" would. Logic dictates that a jewish presence in the land of israel lends itself to the possibility of building a temple, while pure bitachon in borough park does not (although, good for them if they achieve some high level of bitachon, but guess what, part of bitachon is trusting in G-d by settling His land).
Israel Chai:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on May 24, 2012, 11:14:58 PM ---D
Call it names if you like, but to me that is indeed far too mystical and quite frankly not how the world works (not how G-d made it). I think it is foolish to believe the temple will fall from the sky nowadays and blind to think that "inspiring pure bitachon" will do more to bring about a Jewish temple than say "encouraging fulfillment of the mitzvah of aliyah/settling the land of israel" would. Logic dictates that a jewish presence in the land of israel lends itself to the possibility of building a temple, while pure bitachon in borough park does not (although, good for them if they achieve some high level of bitachon, but guess what, part of bitachon is trusting in G-d by settling His land).
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... sometimes prophesy is metaphors. If it is G-d's word than if it doesn't make sense you have to try and understand it.
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