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« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2012, 08:24:40 PM »


And who said anything about the first settlers being evil? I did not see anyone suggest this.
I was not saying any of us said this! The left says that! And they try to erase our history. And say that we were the one's that did all of the damage. When it really was the left over time!
Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

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« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2012, 08:33:55 PM »
I was not attacking you!
Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

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« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2012, 09:43:52 PM »
Here is an article from 2009 which explored this issue...

http://www.closetotorah.com/2009/04/was-christopher-columbus-jewish/

Was Columbus Jewish?

You Decide!

This question is famous and grabs our attention. If you heard some alleged proofs but never had the time to examine them for yourself, this article is for you! I will try to show you the proofs and allow you to answer the question yourself once and for all.

Throughout his life, Christopher Columbus never discussed his parents or relatives. We only know from a reference to Genoa that this was most likely his city of birth. He spoke Spanish eloquently. His family name was Columbo, the Italianized form of Colón. Colón was a Jewish name. A baptized Jew name Colón was reported to have been put on trial in 1250 in Southern France for performing Jewish religious rights. A Joseph Colón was among the leading rabbinical authorities of the fifteenth century. In Spain, the earliest trials of morranos (or conversos [a Spanish Jew who publicly converted to Christianity]) in 1461 ended in the burning of Thome Colón, his wife and his son. The list continues, causing us to suspect something based upon his name.

Columbus asked the King of Portugal to entrust him with a fleet to search for a sea route to India by sailing westward since the earth was round. The King refused and so Colón went to Spain to try his luck with King Ferdinand of Aragon and Queen Isabel of Castille. In the summer of 1485 he arrived in Palos where he met a famous astronomer named Antonio De Marchena. Antonio became a strong supporter of Colón’s plans. It should be noted that Antonio was himself a morrano, and his own brother had been burned at the stake for becoming a relapsing Jew. Colón next moved to Salamana where he succeeded in getting the support of Diego De Deza, the powerful bishop who was personal tutor to Prince Juan, the Heir to the Spanish throne. Diego was also a morrano. He introduced Colón to the Jewish astronomer Abraham Zacuto, whose Tables and Almanac were to aid Colón greatly on his many voyages.

In the same year, Colón approached Don Luis de la Cerda, Duke of Medinalceli, one of the wealthiest nobles of Andalusia. The Duke, who had a Jewish grandmother, was so impressed with Colón’s idea that he declared he would pay for the expedition from his own pocket. However, in order to build ships, the King’s permission was required, and it was not forthcoming. The Duke then wrote a personal letter to Queen Isabel and Colón was invited to present himself before the King and Queen. The audience took place at Cordova in May 1486. Colón stressed the possibility that his voyage would be useful in spreading the Christian faith and obtaining gold. Not thoroughly convinced, they appointed a commission of scientists to examine his plan. In 1490, the commission issued an unfavorable report. In despair, Colón went back to Palos, planning to leave Spain for England or France in order to offer his plan to the kings of those countries.

Queen Isabel had not fully decided against Colón’s plans and her hesitancy led to the intervention of a group of influential Jews and morranos. Of all the names of the eight people involved, it must be noted that every one of them had a relative killed for performing Jewish rituals. In fact, two of them had the “Sanbenito” done to them. (The Sanbenito was a punishment where one was forced to appear publicly in a Sanbenito cloak and humiliatingly forced to swear never to practice the Jewish faith again.) They all saw the inquisition moving in. It is quite intriguing that Jews and morranos were the only people in Spain who came out in support of an undertaking whose object was to earn glory and wealth for the Spanish crown and to spread Christianity. Three of the men were Juan Cabrero, Luis de Santangel, and Gabriel Sanchez. Aside from their being conversos, these were not ordinary Spaniards. Santangel was a member of one of the wealthiest and most influential families in Spain, as well as the King’s personal advisor. Juan Cabrero was Ferdinand’s intimate friend who had fought by the King against the Muslims. Gabriel Sanchez was the Chief Treasurer of Spain. They offered to finance Columbus’ project and it was accepted. Some scholars believe that Santangel and his associates were willing to finance Columbus in the hope of finding a new Promised Land to which they might emigrate and escape the pressure of the church.

Based on the fact that Colón had first taken his plan to Portugal, then to Spain, and when Spain turned down his proposals, he was ready to turn to England or France, one must question the notion that he was moved by the desire to serve his country and the Christian religion! He obviously had an ulterior motive, a secret aim, which he revealed to none but a small number of morranos with whom he needed to convince the king. This all seems quite thought provoking. But there is more!

On April 17, 1492 the king of Spain signed an agreement known as The Capitulations. It granted Colón the title which he so stubbornly fought for: “Grand Admiral of the Ocean Sea”. Why did he want this title so badly? Perhaps it was because he did not want to be remembered by his Christian first name. We will discuss this further when we talk about his signature.

In his writings, speeches and daily conversations, Colón often quoted the views of rabbis and other Jewish learned men. In a letter to the King and Queen in 1501, he wrote, “I maintained relations and have spoken with Jewish and other men of science.” This leads one to ask, if he was such a devout Christian, why was he so fond of the company of Jews, and especially rabbis!

He would often compare himself to King David and Moses the Jewish leader. In many of his penned letters, his sentences and statements seem to be taken directly from Tanach, especially from Isaiah and Ezekiel. This leads one to ask, did Colón know the Bible in translation or the Hebrew as well? In 1499, the secretary of the King discussed a letter which Colón wrote to his brother which contained some “unknown characters”. The problem is, Colón supposedly only knew Spanish!

He boasted that he was even related to King David. Some of his letters were described as written in an “unknown script” (perhaps Hebrew?), and it has been suggested that his unique triangular signature is similar to inscriptions found on gravestones of ancient Jewish cemeteries in Spain and Southern France.

Colón was more driven by prophecy than astronomy. He compiled a collection of Biblical passages in his Libro de las Profecias, Book of Prophecies. It contained Proverbs 8:27, which speaks of the earth’s surface as being curved; Isaiah 40:22, the spherical earth; and the ocean currents in Isaiah 43:16. He would later describe his discovery of the New World as “the fulfillment of what Isaiah prophesied, from Isaiah 24:15, “Isles beyond the sea,” (and Isaiah 60:9)”.

A famous Columbus researcher, Jane Frances Amler, stated that her research concluded that Columbus was a converso. In Spain, even some converted Jews were forced to leave after much persecution; it is known that many conversos were still practicing Judaism in secret. The correlation between the Alhambra Decree, which called for the expulsion of all of the Jews from Spain and its territories and possessions by July 31, 1492, and Columbus’ embarking on his first voyage on August 3, 1492, (Interestingly, according to the Hebrew calendar, August 2 was Tisha’ah B’Av.) has been offered as support for this claim. Colón rushed to set sail as soon as he received permission. Perhaps he rushed because he wanted to find a new home for the exiled Jews. (Parenthetically, Columbus writes in his personal journal that his embarking was delayed for a few days as there was too much traffic of Jews being evicted to allow for him to set sail!)

Discovery Channel‘s Columbus: Secrets from the Grave purports that Columbus could not have been of Jewish descent because certain genetic markers characteristic of people with converso descent were not present in Columbus’ DNA. Many scholars have stated that this is inconclusive.

Columbus employed peculiar dates and phrases unique to the Hebrew people. Instead of referring to the “destruction” or “fall of Jerusalem”, he used the phrase “the destruction of the second house”. He also employed the Hebrew reckoning of 68 A.D., instead of 70 A.D to date the event. A marginal note dated 1481 is immediately given its Hebrew equivalent of 5241, etc.

Colón’s signature proves that he knew Hebrew prayers. His signature is found in two variants. Both are made of seven Latin characters arranged to form an equilateral triangle and below it, in one line, three letters and one word.



The difference between the two is only on the lowest line. In one it reads “Xpo FERENS”, while the other reads “El Admirante”. Many attempts have been made to decipher this strange cryptogram (including some supposed talk of kabbalistic basis, but I could not find anything on this). None proved satisfactory until M.B. Amzalak of Lisbon succeeded in 1927 to unravel the mystery of the seven letter triangle. Maurice Davis of New York, managed to discover the hidden meaning of “Xpo FERENS” in 1933. In Colón’s time, in prayer books, they would abbreviate recurring words as an initial between two dots. Thus for example, the symbol .A. would be Hashem‘s name of Ad’nus. In light of this, Amzalak suggests that .S.S.A.S. stands for: “Santo Santo Santo Ado-noy S’baot” – “Holy Holy Holy is the Lord of Hosts” (Isaiah 6:3). These are the words that the angels on high say about Hashem and we recite in the prayers Uva Li’tzion and Kedusha.

As for the XMY, they are the Spanish letters which resemble three Hebrew letters. X equals Shin (both look similar). M equals Mem. Y equals Ayin. Handwritten they appear quite similar as you can see in the copy of his signature. He slanted the Y very much so that it looks like an Ayin without requiring much imagination. There are no dots because these letters represent nothing, rather they spell out a specific word, a word which begins a very fundamental Jewish phrase: Shin-Mem-Ayin – Shema. This is the first word of the affirmation of the Jews monotheistic faith: Shema Yisra’el Hashem Elokeinu Hashem Echad, Hear O Israel that Hashem our G-d is One. Together, the seven letters stand for the Jews ultimate expression of faith.
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Re: Interesting Article on CNN was Christopher Columbus a Jew
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2012, 10:12:49 PM »
I was not saying any of us said this! The left says that! And they try to erase our history. And say that we were the one's that did all of the damage. When it really was the left over time!

 We were not talking about the settlers (to the Americas). We were talking about the crusaders- different people.
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4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

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Re: Interesting Article on CNN was Christopher Columbus a Jew
« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2012, 10:14:58 PM »
Yes! I agree! But Ashedina was talking about the founders of America!
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« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2012, 10:37:43 PM »
10 million Native Americans perished after the greedy Europeans set foot on this soil :o 80% of population in Mexico was murdered, not to even touch upon events in South America...

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« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2012, 11:13:46 PM »
10 million Native Americans perished after the greedy Europeans set foot on this soil :o 80% of population in Mexico was murdered, not to even touch upon events in South America...

80 percent of the population of Mexico was not murdered, the majority of Mexico are mestizos which means they are mixed with European and Mayan or Aztec, etc. the majority by DNA are the original descendants but have basically inherited Spanish as their language and some of the hispanic culture mixing it with their own. Most of south America is still primarily indigenous too unless you go to Uruguay, Argentina or the falkland islands.

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« Reply #32 on: May 24, 2012, 03:04:12 AM »
Some of the early sea explorers were from Jewish origin !   :dance:

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« Reply #33 on: May 24, 2012, 06:56:47 AM »
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Discovery Channel‘s Columbus: Secrets from the Grave purports that Columbus could not have been of Jewish descent because certain genetic markers characteristic of people with converso descent were not present in Columbus’ DNA.
I saw that program they said it was inconclusive either way 
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« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2012, 07:00:19 AM »
80 percent of the population of Mexico was not murdered, the majority of Mexico are mestizos which means they are mixed with European and Mayan or Aztec, etc. the majority by DNA are the original descendants but have basically inherited Spanish as their language and some of the hispanic culture mixing it with their own. Most of south America is still primarily indigenous too unless you go to Uruguay, Argentina or the falkland islands.
In the mid 1600 population of present day Mexico dropped to 1 million....It took 350-400 years for population in conquered lands to recover and reach levels as they were before Spanish conquest.
Natives in North America still live in concentration camps.
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« Reply #35 on: May 24, 2012, 09:02:11 AM »
In the mid 1600 population of present day Mexico dropped to 1 million....It took 350-400 years for population in conquered lands to recover and reach levels as they were before Spanish conquest.
Natives in North America still live in concentration camps.
You think Indian reservations, where the natives have the right to live according to their own laws are concentration camps ?

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« Reply #36 on: May 24, 2012, 10:41:35 AM »
You think Indian reservations, where the natives have the right to live according to their own laws are concentration camps ?
Yes.

I do not think that Columbus was a Jew. Even if he was given the money by Jewish community we must understand that every time any ruler had a money problem he turned to robbing Jews. It is very likely that financiers had been forced to finance this voyage. This whole article is total hoax. As for Jewish holiday, it could just be a coincidence, nothing more.
Let’s say Jews were in trouble and were looking for another land to settle. He had found this New World. Why then Jews did not settle there if sole purpose of financing was to find new promised land and escape persecution? No sense at all. He was hard core Catholic and we all know this.
But problem is that true history about genocide committed against the Native Americans is coming to surface. Catholic Church is one of main perpetrators. Why not shift all this genocide to Jews and label explorer Columbus to be of Jewish origin? Nice try.
 
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« Reply #37 on: May 24, 2012, 10:42:08 AM »
In the mid 1600 population of present day Mexico dropped to 1 million....It took 350-400 years for population in conquered lands to recover and reach levels as they were before Spanish conquest.
Natives in North America still live in concentration camps.

My Mother is a Portuguese/Marrano Jew.  My father is Seneca Iroquois/Christian.

 My father TOTALLY embraces his Indian heritage (Which probably turned my mother off of him, completely, which is why they are divorced for 40 years) 
My Dad is a skilled hunter, he lives off of his OWN LAND. NOT Govt land, his OWN land.

You are mistaken, Serbian Army.  Many Indians in America are flaming Commies. I dont know why.  I know America is very evil, now, but the facts are; Indians CHOOSE to live under the US Govt.

Also, they FOUGHT the whites. But, they *NEVER* believed the land belonged to them. That is how the Indians are.  They are *NOT* Mexican, either.

 Many assimilated with the whites and many Americans are partial Indian.
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« Reply #38 on: May 24, 2012, 10:43:11 AM »
AsheDina is not whitewashing the crusades. She is purely stating that the first settlers and our founders were not evil like the left would like you to believe. The first settlers were coming back to Judah, But over time the church has been slowly sucked back to the left.

 And if we're going to survive christians and jews have to join together!

I didnt white wash. I CHOOSE to live in the HERE and NOW.
I am not a liberal. Liberals concentrate on crap that happened 400-600 years ago. NOT me.
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« Reply #39 on: May 24, 2012, 10:47:17 AM »
Yes.

I do not think that Columbus was a Jew. Even if he was given the money by Jewish community we must understand that every time any ruler had a money problem he turned to robbing Jews. It is very likely that financiers had been forced to finance this voyage. This whole article is total hoax. As for Jewish holiday, it could just be a coincidence, nothing more.
Let’s say Jews were in trouble and were looking for another land to settle. He had found this New World. Why then Jews did not settle there if sole purpose of financing was to find new promised land and escape persecution? No sense at all. He was hard core Catholic and we all know this.
But problem is that true history about genocide committed against the Native Americans is coming to surface. Catholic Church is one of main perpetrators. Why not shift all this genocide to Jews and label explorer Columbus to be of Jewish origin? Nice try.

Columbus was a Portuguese/Marrano Jew. His Mother was a Jew. Makes him a Jew. His father was Catholic/Spaniard.

There was no 'genocide' against the Indians, I am here to disprove you. I am alive and Iroquois by my Dad, an you are brainwashed from somewhere.

The Native Americans FOUGHT whites.
In genocide, they do NOT allow 'fighting back.'

Indians then, assimilated.
The Catholics are not to blame, either. Christopher Columbus was a whole army of approx 140 plus, he ended up with SEVENTY. There is NO way that SEVENTY murdered off over 7 million Indians.

And, also, with all due respect, what you say is a Communist-leftist talking point. I reject it, completely. 
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« Reply #40 on: May 24, 2012, 10:49:35 AM »
Indians CHOOSE to live under the US Govt.

But, they *NEVER* believed the land belonged to them. That is how the Indians are.  They are *NOT* Mexican, either.
They never believed land belongs to them?  :o I guess they realized that this land always belonged to white Europeans.
What happened to those Indians who did not choose to live under the US Gov.? They were placed in concentration camps.
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« Reply #41 on: May 24, 2012, 10:53:05 AM »
There is no 'genocide' against the Indians, I am here to disprove you.

Ok. Maybe in history books you studied from. That genocide must be conspiracy against America.
Native Americans lived in harmony with conquerors.
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« Reply #42 on: May 24, 2012, 10:53:11 AM »
They never believed land belongs to them?  :o I guess they realized that this land always belonged to white Europeans.
What happened to those Indians who did not choose to live under the US Gov.? They were placed in concentration camps.

What in the hell are you talking about? My Dad does NOT live in a concentration camp. There was NO US Govt enforcing their ways on people back then!

My Dad lives on his OWN land.  NO, Indians not believe that *ANY* land belonged to ANYONE. That is the way Indians are.

They believe that land belongs to the 'great spirit'. Meaning G-D.

You understand now?
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« Reply #43 on: May 24, 2012, 10:55:45 AM »
Ok. Maybe in history books you studied from. That genocide must be conspiracy against America.
Native Americans lived in harmony with conquerors.

Jeezzzzzzzzz, how old are you?

Whites were NOT 'conquerors.' 

The Indians TAUGHT the whites how to till the land here.  The Indians, b/c of their beliefs EMBRACED the white people.  They thought whites were angelic.
The history I learned of was from my FATHER, a NATIVE AMERICAN IROQUOIS INDIAN.
READ for crying out loud
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« Reply #44 on: May 24, 2012, 10:57:51 AM »
The Native Americans FOUGHT whites. (In the 1800's, it started in 1850's)
In genocide, they do NOT allow 'fighting back.'
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« Reply #45 on: May 24, 2012, 11:00:38 AM »
Ok. Maybe in history books you studied from. That genocide must be conspiracy against America.
Native Americans lived in harmony with conquerors.

Read this:

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It would be very good to say that this friendship lasted a long time; but, unfortunately, that was not to be. More English people came to America, and they were not in need of help from the Indians as were the original Pilgrims. Many of the newcomers forgot the help the Indians had given them. Mistrust started to grow and the friendship weakened. The Pilgrims started telling their Indian neighbors that their Indian religion and Indian customs were wrong.

This time of friendship and peace did not last. Before too long the clashes of culture, and the differences in beliefs, surfaced, creating a hostile environment for both cultures. The Pilgrims could not have survived without the aid and teachings of the Native Americans. The importance of the Indian's help soon became forgotten in the clashes that occured. Let us today be forever Thankful that the Native Americans that befriended the Pilgrims lived by their own beliefs and teachings of helping those in need. For without their aid, what would have become of the Pilgrims at Plymouth?

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« Reply #46 on: May 24, 2012, 11:01:58 AM »
Anyway, I apologize to the rest of you.
Columbus was a Marrano Jew. His Mother was a Jew-Portuguese. His Dad was Spaniard/Catholic.

Saying that Columbus was not a Jew is wrong, he was.
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« Reply #47 on: May 24, 2012, 11:05:00 AM »
You are stating the obvious. I was saying that it is important to learn history in order to not repeat it.

And who said anything about the first settlers being evil? I did not see anyone suggest this.

We here in America, are repeating history, only it is Stalinist history being repeated. Which is seriously UNFRIENDLY to Jews and Christians. So, the crusades are not something I worry about or distress over. (The SAME case scenario  is happening in Israel with the left. It is NOT christians that are persecuting Jews in Israel. It is the LEFTISTS/Stalinists)

IF it was Christians that were murdering Jews in America, I would fight it.
But, frankly, I just live in the here and now.
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« Reply #48 on: May 24, 2012, 11:06:25 AM »
Jeezzzzzzzzz, how old are you?

Whites were NOT 'conquerors.' 

The Indians, b/c of their beliefs EMBRACED the white people.  They thought whites were angelic.
You must be kidding? 
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« Reply #49 on: May 24, 2012, 11:08:00 AM »
Read this:

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It would be very good to say that this friendship lasted a long time; but, unfortunately, that was not to be. More English people came to America, and they were not in need of help from the Indians as were the original Pilgrims. Many of the newcomers forgot the help the Indians had given them. Mistrust started to grow and the friendship weakened. The Pilgrims started telling their Indian neighbors that their Indian religion and Indian customs were wrong.

This time of friendship and peace did not last. Before too long the clashes of culture, and the differences in beliefs, surfaced, creating a hostile environment for both cultures. The Pilgrims could not have survived without the aid and teachings of the Native Americans. The importance of the Indian's help soon became forgotten in the clashes that occured. Let us today be forever Thankful that the Native Americans that befriended the Pilgrims lived by their own beliefs and teachings of helping those in need. For without their aid, what would have become of the Pilgrims at Plymouth?

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