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Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: muman613 on June 05, 2012, 05:01:08 PM ---Oh... I didn't read the entire piece you linked to. You know what I think about Rabbi Ba-Chayim and I will not repeat it.
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Lol what kind of comment is this?
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on June 05, 2012, 10:51:35 PM ---Lol what kind of comment is this?
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He is saying he wants to attack Rav Bar-Haim to get back at him apparently for being offended by something he said, but doesn't know what to say yett soo...
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Dan Ben Noah on June 05, 2012, 05:28:20 PM ---I read all that and listened to the audios before. But I still think that there is no purer halachic code out of the ones available today than the Mishneh Torah, and Rabbi Bar Hayim hasn't brought one into existence, has he? Also the way he was talking about "hasiba" reminded me of the way Conservative Jews think about changing halacha.
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No matter how "pure" or relatively pure a given code is, a posek is not obligated to follow some "code" ! Read the Rambam's own words about how we arrive at psak halacha for example. Because he describes this process. The posek has to consider all the sources and is bound to the talmud bavli, yerushalmi, sifre sifra, mechilta etc to arrive at a decision.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Dan Ben Noah on June 05, 2012, 05:28:20 PM ---Also the way he was talking about "hasiba" reminded me of the way Conservative Jews think about changing halacha.
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WHAT?! There is no connection to conservative judaism. It is slander to associate someone with that fraud without basis. I really have no clue what you're talking about.
It is known how people reclined to eat in those days. They did so on couches. Literally lying down. It was called the roman "triclinium" how roman citizens reclined while eating. Only luxurious style eating for citizens, not the peons that served them their meals.
It is fact that chazal refer to this when they tell us to recline like kings at the seder table and it is also fact that almost NO ONE does this today, and the whole leaning on a side elbow while chomping matzah and sitting in a chair is not really fulfilling reclining. And Rabbi Bar Hayim when he speaks of this brings sources from tosfos and others who note that they do not recline anymore and don't have that style of eating since people dine in chairs in france for instance.
There are many who are ignorant of these facts but that doesn't make them any less true.
As to getting people to change what they do, there is no reason for there to be a "movement" based around what people do or don't do (allwithin halacha) at their seder table! Knowledge is power, and knowing the reality of Jewish law enables a Jew like me to run his seder as he sees fit, to be in line with what chazal prescribe. In fact, I know a guy that knows a guy, who because of these facts, sets up couches and does true reclining at his seder! To that I would say its unnecessary because the whole point is to eat in a luxurious way and that style is not common and not culturally associated with luxury, but God bless him, its definitely more correct reclining than when we lean our elbow over.
Ephraim Ben Noach:
--- Quote from: Tag-MehirTzedek on June 05, 2012, 10:54:12 PM --- He is saying he wants to attack Rav Bar-Haim to get back at him apparently for being offended by something he said, but doesn't know what to say yett soo...
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Tag! Come on!
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