Quote from Jewishwarrior:Not correct!
In Kol Hator, written by a disciple of the Gra (and so affirmed the world's biggest expert on the Gra, Rabbi Yitzchak Shlomo Zilberman, z"l that it is from the Gra) the disciple talks about a conversation that he had with the Gra (Vilna Gaon). For those, who might raise a question, by the standards of the ancients, airplanes are a miracle. Rambam in his Shmoneh Prakim says that one of things that is impossible is a ship of iron that flies in the air. Something that in our times happens all the time.
The truth is there was no interdependent "deal" between us and the nations - all of the Oaths were made for our sake, not the sake of the nations. There was no mutual agreement, and so no reciprocality. This is the simplest Zionist falsification to dispute, since the Poskim and Gedolim who applied the Oaths throughout history, did so despite the fact that the gentiles violated theirs. The Gemora itself applies the Oaths to the Evil Empire of Bavel, which certainly violated the Oaths.
Those "opinions" are just the Zionists trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. They are proven wrong from the fact that Egypt surely violated the Oath when they tortured and killed us for centuries. Yet the Bnei Efriam were killed in the desert as a punishment for violating the Oath by leaving Egypt before Hashem said to.
The Medrash Aichah says clearly that the Romans violated their Oath, yet the generation of Bar Kochba was punished and Chazal say because they violated the Oaths.
The Maharal writes that even if the Goyim force us with torturous death to violate the Oath, we should rather submit to torturous death than violate them.
And the Gemora itself disproves the idea, since the Gemora says that the reason Chazal commanded us not to go from Bavel to Eretz Yisroel is due to the Oaths, even though Bavel violated their Oath for sure with the atrocities they committed during the Churban (The Shulchan Aruch writes that the Brachah of Vlamalshinim was enacted to praise Hashem for destroying the evil kingdom of Bavel).
The Gemora then asks on R. Zaira, who says that the Oaths only include not taking Eretz Yisroel forcefully, but the Oath not to rebel against the nations is not included. The Gemora could easily have answered that Bavel violated their Oath and therefore our Oath of rebelling against them is null. But the Gemora says no such thing.
R. Avrohom Galanti (Zechus Avos) brings a story of the people of Portugal who wanted to defend themselves against the government by making a rebellion. The government then was making forced Shmad and all sorts of persecutions. They asked the "Shem hameforash" and were told not to do it because it would violate the Oaths.
There is much more, but this is a sample (credit to the Satmar Rebbe ZTL in Vayoel Moshe I:75 for the above sources).
This is not rocket science. It's pretty obvious. Takes no genius or encyclopedic knowledge to understand it. Anyone who learns about the Oaths is immediately confronted with the reality that the Goyim violate theirs but we still cannot violate ours.
It's just plain dishonesty that would make people come up with this.
Shevet Efraim left Egypt in violation of the Oaths. Egypt surely violated their Oath when they tortured Jews for centuries. Yet Ephrain, Chazal say, were all hunted down and killed in the desert for violating their Oath by leaving Egypt early.
The Oaths are brought down l'halachah in Rishonim and Achronim as viable and very real. This, despite the fact that the Goyim have been violating their Oath for thousands of years.
The Rambam in Igeres Taimon warns the Jews not to violate the Oaths, or else. He writes there that the Jews are suffering an evil, persecuting government that commits atrocities and wars against the Jews, and therefore the Jews should watch out not to violate the Oath by rebelling against them. It's clear that even though the Goyim violate their Oath we cannot violate ours.
(Note: Regarding the Reb Shlomo Kluger quoted by Rabbi Aviner, it is an erroneous quote. Rasha”k admits clearly that the Bnei Efriam were punished for violating the Oaths, even though Egypt violated theirs. He only permits breaking the Oath that prevents praying a lot for the Geulah – see Vayoel Moshe Maamar I for an explanation as to the uniquness of the Oath prohibiting prayer.)
It’s a pity nobody told the Rambam about these heteirim – for he warns us in Igeres Tamon not to violate the Oaths.
And it’s a pity nobody told all those other poskim I quoted about these heteirim either – because they all say the Oaths are binding.
And it's an even bigger pity nobody told Hashem about these heteirim – for He killed the Bnei Efriam for violating the Oaths. A pity, for they should not have been killed for no reason according to the Zionists. And He also punished the generation of Bar Kochba for violating these Oaths. Pity.
Can some Zionist please tell G-d to stop punishing people for doing nothing wrong??? And please tell Chazal not to say that people were killed for violating the Oaths when in fact you're allowed to violate them!!
No, it's not rocket science at all.
There is nothing here to discuss since the Torah prohibits us from violating the Oaths, i.e. making a State of Israel - and the Maharal (Netzach Yisroel 24) says it is Yehoreg V'Al Yaavor to do so. So even if Israel would save Jews, it is still prohibited to create.
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