A Jew is a place name originating from those who resided under the Kingdom of Judah. The tribes Yehuda, Benjamin, and some from the people of Levi would be today recognized as modern day Jew. The first time the word was mentioned in the Tanakh is in Jeremiah Chapter 34:9 "that none should make bondmen of them, even of a Jew his brother;" The tern has come to be synoptic with the Sons of Israel who worship the Lord Almighty.
(I do not wish to vindicate the author of the video I posted prior, it was just a reference. Chew the meat spit out the bones)
Title: A Jew and a Pashtun
(here is a conversation I and another partook earlier this year)
Mujahideen- Dear Sephirath what is your connection to Pashtuns,.... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sephirath- ......
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Sephirath- What are you thinking?
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Mujahideen- Well I have read many theories about the relationship of Pashtuns to the ancient tribes of Israel, therefore most of it was not new to me nonetheless it has been well written. Sephrath, there has been a great deal of promotion of Pashtun roots in Israel, also many Jews that I have spoken to want to unite Pashtuns and Jews as is promised by the Torah. What do you think about this ideology?
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Sephirath- Kashmir and the, Pashtuns make up the lost descendants of Abraham (Possibly Rroma also). All the rest who claim have no historic and cultural connection to 'The Chosen People'. From the British, Teutonic, Lemba, Chinese, Scythian, Spartans, Kurds, Japanese, Irish, and even the American Indians. All tongs wish to proclaim themselves favored yet they hold no concern for sinning.
In time The Almighty Hashem will ajoin the houses back again. Yet what must first come is the Lords Kingdom unto the Holy Land. The armies of Heaven will redeem Jerusalem from those who rebel against his word. Only then will the Tribes of G-d be united to bring righteousness unto this World. Once brought back to Zion the creator will reveal the perfect path.
I do wonder thou how the Pashtuns look at the whole matter.
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Mujahideen- Your question can be answered from different prospectives. Firts there is the Religious one, then the political one and thirdly there is the answer from the perspective of Pashtunwali. Since we speak of a religious point of view, I will first provide you with a religious perspective. Please do understand that most Pashtuns in Pashtun heartland are highly religious like orthodox jews. We therefore believe in G-d and what G-d has offered us in the authentic holy books and by that we obey, what ever G-d has written for his people we accept and we will follow, however I don't think this could be otherwise since G-d almighty can do whatever he pleases. He can bring together the most defined enemies and breach the friendship of the closest of frienships. We the people of Pashtunistan will follow G-d's will wherevere it may lay. Have I answered you question to satisfaction.
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Sephirath- If I was in Pashtunistan would the Taliban see me as an enemy?
What do you make of this Hadith (Abu Hurayah) "The last hour will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews and the Muslims kill them, so that Jews will hide behind stones and trees and the Stone and the tree will say, O Muslim, O servant of G-d! There is a Jew behind me; come and kill him."
This verse clearly comes from a jealous and angry fool for it goes against Gods word itself. When Hashem blessed Abraham and his faithful descendants saying he will shine favor upon us forever.
Berishit 12:3 "And I will bless them that bless thee, and him that curseth thee will I curse; and in thee shall all the families of the earth be blessed."
What must happen is the 7th century document called the Koran has to be burned. Then the people realize that the Tribal Law called Pashtunwali is the same as Torah. Only by obeying the commandments brought down by Moses will the World learn justice
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Sephirath- So to conclude my question of "how (do) the Pashtuns look at the whole matter.(?)" So do the Pastuns see the Jews as brothers or enemies? Since most of the Muslim World wishes all Israel to be destroyed. I have talked to others but none wish to fight this question. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mujahideen- Sorry for the late reply exams and thesis are giving me a hard time, I hope you will understand.
Getting back to your questions I have to say that Taliban will in first instance not see you as a enemy. Why? because it is in our nature and culture to welcome our guest according to the highest value of hospitality. If you would visit Pashtunistan and present yourself as a friend or even better as someone who has the same Abrahamic(Efrahim) bloodline then surely you will be welcomed. During the Taliban era there were jews living in Afghanistan and they were not killed or tortured or mistreated because it is against Islamic provisions and Pashtunwali. Do understand that we have had many synagogues in Pashtunistan and the people knew about them and the people who were visiting them yet they were not bothered. The conception that Pashtuns hate jews has been overrated and is actualy established when the Arabs influenced our perspective of jews and more so when Pakistan was created and Pashtunistan divided. The Punjabi government of Pakistan has done alot since its creation to keep Pashtuns ignorant of their heritage, culture and language. They have invested in islamic schools which do not represent core Islamic values at all and are actually not more than hate campaign institutions. Today
My answer to The hadith over the "last hour" will never be satisfactory due to extensive research and understanding that one has to conduct before one can explain. Nonetheless I wish to advise you, if may be so free, that when and where you talk to people with other religions, whatever it may be talk in a respectable manner and accept the idea that their opinion might differ from yours.
Let me assure you that the Pashtun population will not abandon Islam, unless something really unbelieveable happens, and yes they mistrust Zionist regim of Israel (not to be seen as equal to every jew, I am now talking about zionists), due to the attacks on Palestinians --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mujahideen- It is true that Most Muslims dont want a jewish state like some orthodox jews who share the same opinion based on Jewish divine law. Please have a look at the following site
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/about/response.cfm which is made by orthodox jews and describes the Zionist ideology and its missconception to say the least of the law of Moses. Pashtuns therefore have nothing against the Jews as is perscribed by the Sunna and the Koran the jew and Christians that follow their religion2:62.
2:62 Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in G-d and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
Others include; 3:64, 3:199, 582, 5:46
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Mujahideen- The question on religious front might be to different and maybe we should say "we agree to disagree" what is relevant though for both nations is that the jews and the Pashtuns find a common ground of understanding which means that we should elaborate on our common heritage, see where we are alike and where not. Do realise that the enemies of Israel are just as much the enemies of Pashtuns. A political co-operation could evolve if both groups would be open for it the thing is I am sure Pashtuns will be but I don't see Israel being so warm to the idea to accept Pashtuns as a partner. What do you think? Am I wrong in my perseption over Israel and its policies.
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Mujahideen- *Perception
If Israel would help unite Pashtuns and re-establish Pashtunistan, we would definitely have a different view of Israel and surely a healthy and prosperous reationship would emerge.
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Sephirath- ...I had to muse on these Ideals,
My anger towards the words of the hadith lyes in self preservation. Imagine if an entity with one billion (1,000,000,000) adherents declarers that all Pashtuns must be murdered. Do you see the irrationality of this perspective (being there are no evils). Considering the fact of our common heritage, this notion isn't to unrealistic. I guarantee you once the truth of Pashtun royal blood is revealed all the World will turn on you also (as if it already hasn't). The jealously of the nations is too grate to concern whether your muslim, christian, hindu, or atheist. This is my explanation to the American and nato forces present in Afghanistan. First- understanding the origins of engaging in war was based of false pretenses. Secondly- as they claim to be nation building while launching missiles upon cities turning buildings into rubble (as Herat). Thirdly- the military pathology targets only Pashtunistan. As Warziristan weekly being bombarded with drone attracts. The whole situation (seemingly with no motivation) is wild. Only by looking throw this spectrum (antisemitism) does this subject come to some reason. That being complete irrational hatred from the Anglo Empire (USA + Europe). These descendants of Jepeth have continuously been wicked to Israel. From everyone that suffocated in the gas chambers, to everyone whose backs got riddles with shekel size bullet-holes before dropping into a lifeless pit of body's, to everyone whose skin melted off their carcass like plastic in the ovens, to all of our four-fathers who stood up in the name of the one and only G-d and paid with their flesh and soul for there dedication. Continuously pushing pogrums, genocides and, holocausts.. all being supported by the state.
Now upon the Zionism and Palestinian conflict subject. If you read any book before 1967 you should find it interesting that the term Palestinian is directed at Jews not Arabs. Belive it, not one mention of any autonomous peoples named the Palestinian's ever existed in this region. The facts are that a remnant of Abraham's seed has lived in the Holy Land for 3400 years. There has been a presence of the Sons of Jacob seine the days Yehosuah liberated Zion. From the time of Moses, to the Prophets, and right into the present day. In 1948 (5708 Hebrew year) only 1/6th of 1% of what is called the Middle East was allotted to form the Jewish state. The day after deceleration of statehood, five surrounding nations simultaneously attacked the new found nation. The local Arabs were told to abandoned there homes and claim the booty on victory. Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Jordan and, Iraq promised to butcher those of Jehuda, Benjamine and, Simion in a few weeks. With well equipt troops the ajoined countries stormed the front of Israels boarder, surpassing some 90,000 men in rank. While near 30,000 poorly armed Jews rose up and smashed the onslaught. After the defeat no nation would accept the Arab refuges as citizens, thus the creation of the camps. Not to this day would any surrounding states integrate these people into there societies. Often from mainstream media you hear of "occupied territories" yet after the War of Liberation when Jordan annexed these properties not once did you catch wind of the saying. There was no outcry that Judea and Samaria should be turned into another Arab state. In-fact, even before the State of Israel the United Nations had allotted land to these peoples so to create a government yet they refused! Not only once have they agreed in the liberty to manage themselves. Still today Israel provides food, raiment's, electricity, water, medical, Garbage disposal, ect. Even while Hamas rains thousand of missiles the State of Israel delivers 743,456 tones (1,480,912,000 pounds) of imports yearly. Since 2001 nearly 8,600 rockets have landed on Jewish houses, shops and, schools. Doing the math for you that's 2.35 qassams launches daily. The PLO, Hamas, Hezbolah and, every coalition surrounding (or other wise seemingly) whole agenda is to annihilate The Chosen People. Don't be fooled when they speak to destroy Israel, they mean the people not the state. They mean all the Tribes of G-d not just the two and half presently residing in Zion.
Still more to say....
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Sephirath- End of discussion?
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Mujahideen- No I am sorry but did not have the time to replay due to exam preparaten and paper deadline. I Hope to andere you before the end of tomorrow.
Take care
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Mujahideen- * reply
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Mujahideen- Personally I think Israel could have taken the chance to work together with Pashtuns a long time ago. With your support we could have created greater Pashtunistan and establish a front against Iran and its allies and nuclear Pakistan. However Israel failed us. In this regard I have a question: How is it that when Pashtuns needed help from their brothers there were no Jews in US nor in Israel to stop the US while we all know how far the power of Jewish lobbyists reach within American politics? While you should know that when Hitler was on its killing spray of Jewish people, he asked Pashtuns to join him and help him in the quest for achieving a world free of Jews. Anticipating on our Islamic religion he thought we would be ready to help him. We actually were ready but for other reasons, we wanted to defeat the U.K. and free Pashtunistan form the British grip, but when we heard this message, Afghanistan declined and has stated that although we are in need of German help to defeat the British we will never walk alongside people who wish to harm our brothers and sisters. Our king even claimed the following “although Afghanistan is not a world power that can change the course of history it nonetheless would warmly welcome those in need of protection (Jews) and would defend them as they were their own.”
In regards to your claims that Israel always belonged to Jews and therefore should be led by Jews, I have the following question: Why does the Torah claim that we should not establish Israel because we have been banned by Hashem, while on the other hand you do see the warnings against establish a state of Israel? Only Hashem can create that state of Israel and as promised he will. The only time that the People of Israel were permitted to have a state was two thousand years ago when the glory of the creator was upon us, and likewise in the future when the glory of the creator will once more be revealed, and the whole world will serve Him, then He Himself (without any human effort or force of arms) will grant us a kingdom founded on Divine Service.
In regards to Palestine and the Palestinian people I think we will disagree on the numbers killed when we will look to different media sources, so I will look at Jewish source that is pro-Israel (
http://www.ifamericaknew.org/stats/deaths.html) even there you see that when 1.1 Israeli civilian is killed there are Palestine 6.5 civilians killed in Israeli military action. As you can see in the resent years no Israelis have been killed while the number of Palestinian is going higher and higher except the last two years. I don’t have to tell you that the Torah does not allow anyone to kill indiscriminately we are allowed to defend and kill when we are attacked but do not cross the line of excess. Don’t forget that before the Zionist state Arabs and Jews were living together and all the rights granted to Palestinians were granted to the Jews as well and that no Jews were harmed by the Germans or Arabs while Egypt was their ally, The Arabs could have done so but did not.
Let me go to something else when I read about an article that Israel was researching the DNA of Pashtuns in India, I started to read about it in Jewish sources. Since then I wanted to go to Israel and follow a master degree and get to know the Jewish religion and its people. However, I don't think I will be welcomed knowing that Jews don't have a postive opinion about Afghans. What would you say am I welcom on the Land of Abraham David and Moses? Will Israel accept me for what I am or will they see me as a threat. It is similar question to yours about your stay in Pashtunistan.
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Sephirath- You know most people who have Jewish ancestry and are in political positions are sell outs. They have turned on there brothers and sisters and in this light G-d. America and the state of Israel are both puppet nations just as the Karzai's regime. In 2005 thousands were ripped from there homes in Gush Katif. It seems that every weak saints are being forced to sleep in the dirt while they bulldoze the house with beds and baby cribs still warm. The vast amount of of Judah are walking away from the faith as pre WW2. In America alone the intermarriage rate is near 70% while in nazi germany 1938 they were around 50%. Moses prophesied about these days, "They have roused Me to jealousy with a no-G-d (evil ideaologies); they have provoked Me with their vanities; and I will rouse them to jealousy with a no-people (Amulek); I will provoke them with a vile nation. For a fire is kindled in My nostril, and burneth unto the depths of the nether-world, and devoureth the earth with her produce, and setteth ablaze the foundations of the mountains. I will heap evils upon them; I will spend Mine arrows upon them; The wasting of hunger, and the devouring of the fiery bolt, and bitter destruction; and the teeth of beasts will I send upon them, with the venom of crawling things of the dust. Without shall the sword bereave, and in the chambers terror (gas chamber); slaying both young man and virgin, the suckling with the man of gray hairs. I thought I would make an end of them, I would make their memory cease from among men; Were it not that I dreaded the enemy's provocation, lest their adversaries should misdeem, lest they should say: Our hand is exalted, and not HaShem hath wrought all this.' For they are a nation void of counsel, and there is no understanding in them (Germany). If they were wise, they would understand this, they would discern their latter end." (Devarim 32:21-29) It is a sad thing to admit yet, some deserved to die. G-d who took us in to the delights of his heart and exalted us above all the nations, so I say yes, those who forsook him needed the Holocaust. Till this day decades after the families of my people so chose still to lust after false way and not learn from the past, The future (for them) is dark indeed. This is why some don't stand against our brothers enemies, also many stumbling blocks have been set in our path.
Now on to Zion, here is verses from the Muslim scripture. The Koran says the Holy Land belongs to Israel.
"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]." [Qur'an, "Night Journey," chapter 17:100-104]
The Qur'an relates the words by which Moses ordered the Israelites to conquer the Land: "And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, call in remembrance the favour of G-d unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which G-d has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.'" [Qur'an 5:20-21]
Those who try to use Islam as a weapon against Israel always conveniently ignore this point - the Qur'an explicitly refers to the return of the Jews to the Land of Israel before the Last Judgment - where it says: "And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'" [Qur'an 17:104]
The ruling class use a distorted interpretation for a political tool, and unfortunately the majority of uneducated Arabs believe this poisonous propaganda. Truly the surrounding nations and the Arab immigrants are fighting against the Army of G-d. Eather through the Torah or the Koran there is no explanation to justify war against the Tribes of Israel. In-fact fighting against Hashem's people would be to go against the creator himself. These beast men wish to rob us of our heritage. Time and time over the peoples of the World have tried to strip away the blessing of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. For the Lord only sends his message by the seed of Israel. Yet the Koran was not written by a Hebrew and Mohamed was not part of this Holy Nation. Only today's modern Jews and Pashtuns can be Prophets.
You spoke the point that only G-d can create the state of Zion, I have some questions to that ideal. The Kingdom of Jehudah got exiled to Babylon and after they returned, did Hashem create that state and the second Beit HaMidash (Holy Temple)? It was the duty of the men in those days to exalt the alter and the land on behalf of G-d. So is today, to leave the inheritance of HaShem in desolation is a blemish against his Holy Name.
To your question at the end. If you were study in the Holy Land there wouldn't be any problems. For you have an equal right to inherit that land (Israel & Lebannon) and any Jew. In fact the Pashtuns have more right if you add up all the tribal portions (by obeying Torah), exept for the Royal Dovidic throne (I am part of the line though Abravanel). I have no clue as to where you got that ideal as to why we don't like you.
To conclude;
"Ye shepherds, hear the word of HaShem: Thus saith the L-rd G-d: Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require My sheep at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the sheep; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; and I will deliver My sheep from their mouth, that they may not be food for them. For thus saith the L-rd G-d: Behold, here am I, and I will search for My sheep, and seek them out. As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are separated, so will I seek out My sheep; and I will deliver them out of all places whither they have been scattered in the day of clouds and thick darkness. And I will bring them out from the peoples, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them into their own land; and I will feed them upon the mountains of Israel, by the streams, and in all the habitable places of the country. I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be; there shall they lie down in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel." (Yechezchial 33:9-15)
